I'm Over It! You Over It?

[ProfessorM]

Damn, I thought I was. Not yet I guess. Thanks

[Raider Ronnie]

I guess Willie Andrews was over it !
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1071432

[HESH2]

die hard giants fan,but lets never forget tom brady took his team down the field and put them ahead,he's one of the all time greats.giants played a super game,don't forget 11 road wins.then tampa,cowboys and green bay all at their home fields,just knew giants would win.

[BassDawg]

Mike P, my larger point is to the actual Winning of them,
the Lombardi's and the ring that goes with it, and of course
the TITLE, World Champion.

I respectfully disagree, and say that to a man, that they wouldn't trade a single trophy for this trophy. They look at each season, each team, and each year individually. Each Trophy is special and meaningful within the context of that team, those players, and that specific game. Just as this year, they would not want this Lombardi, because ~~CLEARLY~~ they did not earn it, they did not play football well enough to win the SB, and the better team ~that day~ DID win the ultimate prize.

Professional atheletes, for the most part, have a respect for the game and their opponent that we as fans could not begin to grasp. Sure we can remember what it was like to win City Championships in our various sports, we could have family members that compete on a very high level; however, to be in that place and in their shoes at the highest level of performance that their sport allows is too far a reach for us as sports laeity. And I only offer what i've heard them say. Each trophy is unique, in and of itself.............and to trade one for the other would mean to replace something fought for and well-earned for something undeserved and gained ill-gottenly.

I wholeheartedly contend that the 19-0 garbage means more to us, and the stroytellers, and the media pundits than it does to the participants. It has to be compartementalized that way to maintain a healthy psyche and to be able to put this one "behind" them so they can approach next year with a "fresh set of downs"; otherwise, this game would eat them alive from the inside out and the ability to move forward from either GREAT achievement or CATOSTROPHIC disappointment would handicap and dismantle thier future endeavors.
It is essential to be able to remove oneself from the past ~be it the previous INT/CMPL, prior series of downs/TD's, the first half, the last post season, etc.~ in order to maintain focus, drive, and performance at the highest levels of execution. To do so with the utmost of effeciency, one has to participate within each moment.............play the play that is called "until the whistle blows". Keeping that mindset in mind, i doan think that for a minute that they would trade one for the other, that this is only looked upon as what it was ~a missed opportunity for greatness and a championship that has eluded them, yet again!

[wrikerjr]

BassDawg,

You are telling me that BB or Brady or any member of the other superbowl winning championships would not have wanted this superbowl more than any of the previous ones?

I find that very hard to believe, deep down you know they wanted this and they wanted to be imortalized in football and that is what would have happened. They went from immortal to inconsequental in 60 minutes, and the look on brady's face said it all. I give Brady a lot of credit because he accepted it like a gentlemen. The way BB acted said it as well.

Dynsaties are measured by the championships won and adversly effected by the championships that they lost, especially when they were upset. don't give me the 5 superbowls in 11 years crap, you know its garbage. A superbowl loss is more devestating than a championship game loss. Its a sad fact but it is true.

When you talk about BB, he will be discussed with this loss, his arrogance during this game and being outcoached. When you talk about brady and compare him to montana this superbowl loss will come up. You have to win the ones you are suppose to win in the playoffs. Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated. The patriots know better than anyone it means squat. All dynasties know it don't mean anything if you don't win the championship.

You think samuel when he goes to bed is not thinking about how he %$%$%$%$ed up and didn't make that play. Same with alot of people on your team, to point them out with just be to time consuming. didn't pursue boss on that catch, how brady didn't make the usual hot reads, why they didn't go to the 2 rb's, why the went for it on 4th and 13. I agree by next season many of these questions will be not be pressing on their minds and may fuel them to another championship, but they will not be forgotten and they will be discussed for a long time.

Parcells said that if anyone believes that this loss does not effect you as a player or coach for the rest of your life, you are either lying or your lying to yourself. I think he would know as best as anyone.

I got an email that said positive things from the Superbowl and #1 was, some village in South America will be getting a shipment of 19-0 t-shirts. I thought that was hysterical. You guys just need to admit that it is a very bad loss and its devistating. This will hurt just like the yankees giving up the 3-0 lead hurts, and it still does.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated.

Just because you and BassDawg are going back and forth about this I wouldn't say the whole board is saying this. I'm pretty sure most of the board members here feel it was a bad loss and screwed them up for immortality and I haven't seen them jawing about how great 18-1 is either.

[BassDawg]

wrikerjr, i doan think that you are getting my drift.

My point was about the perception that professional atheletes must maintain to perform at their highest levels of execution possible. I am speaking from and intangible perspective. From the type of mental toughness that is required to continue to "live the dream" and to "finish the task" set before them by their own inner fires.

The fires of drive, dedication, and discipline are stoked by victory and defeat. They are never extinguished and they can be fueled by many variables the middle of which is the outcome of THE GAME. The great ones don't dwell on their triumphs or their defeats, instead they put them on the appropiate shelf and use them for the pursuit of their ultimate GOAL, A Championship!!!

While I agree that this one HURT and that they will be feeling it, true Dynasties are measured by the ways in which they handle the diversity that they will ALL face. BB will look at himself objectively, hopefully, and they will be the better team for it ~and in that event the rest of the League beware, because the FU2 Tour has already begun and the wagons are circling as we speak...............

Inconsequential, I think NOT! These Patriots will not fold up shop like the Rams before them, and the Cowboys of the 90's. We are currently in the middle of what most lucid and educated experts agree is a Dynasty of epic and historic proportions. Does this latest debacle effect them? Most assuredly! Will they allow it to define them? Most definitely, NOT!!

[ProfessorM]

It was the media and talking heads that wore out all those greatest team in history and Tom being the greatest QB in history rhetoric. Made me sick too. I got tired of hearing it. I like modest people, not braggers. They never went around claiming any of that crap. They tried to avoid the questions every time I heard them asked. Whether they thought that stuff was true in their own heads and locker room who knows, only human nature they probably did but with all the hype for so many weeks by the sports media world jacking up all the previous great teams and players, it is only natural that they all have turned on them and claim them to be failures and lossers and such, which they are, but not to the extent of a wasted season, IMO. The press loves loser stories and anything negative and now they have buried them. Oh well. A bad devastating loss no doubt but to say they didn't accomplish anything this year is a crock. A pretty almost impossible job to pull off and they almost did. One interception or dropped jump ball and they are singing another tune. They lost and that is the bottom line,but a wasted season I disagree. I am officially over it now. Congrats to the Giants and hope top see them next year same time, same place.

[BassDawg]

Well Said, Professor!

And that is the other half of my earlier point.
These guys could care less about the 19-0.
If it happens, GREAT! If it doesn't, then so be it.
Their focus has to be on the ultimate goal, A Championship!

Anywho, well said and i am very close to being over it.
I'll feel better once I know the fate of some of our free agents and when i see the results of the draft and whoever else we may pick up through trade and free agency??? The NFL............it never stops!

Pitchers and catchers report in less than 2 weeks, men!!
GOOO SOX!!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just because you and BassDawg are going back and forth about this I wouldn't say the whole board is saying this. I'm pretty sure most of the board members here feel it was a bad loss and screwed them up for immortality and I haven't seen them jawing about how great 18-1 is either.

That is a good point, i apologize to the board members here who did not do those things. My apologies dad Fisherman.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

wrikerjr, i doan think that you are getting my drift.

I get your drift, i am just not buying it, but I am fully understanding what you are saying. Its ok if we disagree

FYI, if i came to say that the patriots became inconsequential I apologize, that is truly the last thing that I meant to say. I wanted to make the point that this season was inconsequential. That I truly honestly believe. I hope that the patriots can bounce back, because I truly believe that team has a chance to do some remarkable things, with the core that you have, but all things in the future depend on the decisions you make today (i.e., what do you do with dp#7, franchise moss, stallworth, etc.). Time will tell, many things happened to football teams especially dynsaty's that you can't predict.

I know all about devistating losses, so don't worry about it as a fan, when people bring it up it will get better with time.

the one piece I am interested in is, I want to see how Moss reacts to it, because he is the one piece that I am concerned may revert back to his old ways, hopeully not because brady to moss is something great for the game.

[The Iceman 6]

Willie certainly had a lot of green on him. Can anybody confirm (I think I read this in a NY paper and I forgot the Pats D player's name) that one of the Patriots told the Giants O line that they didn't have a chance to drive down the field and win the game? That they were welcome to come to Foxboro for the parade? Prob. just BS, but if this guy said it, man that takes some intestinal fortitude...

Ice

[BassDawg]

That's cool, wrikerjr, and your points were well made and you are a true fan of Football and its highest pinnacle. I too feel that BB has sum splainin' to do..................

My apologies as well, if anyone else was offended by my over-the-topness when it comes to stating my points. Doan rightly know if it's a blessing or a curse, but I have always loved a "good and fair arguement" between reasonable people. Prolly should've been a lawyer, but i partied waaaaay tooo much at University.

Part of this also, is the way in which i participate when it comes to my fandom. I've always been an athelete, and come from atheletic parents, so when it comes to sports i am very competetive, sometimes to a fault. However, i seem to fit in with the craziness that is Boston Sports Fandom, as these people are as mental as me ~for the most part. Just gotta remember that, not everyone shares my same enthusiasm

Thanks gents, for your understanding and allowing the beast within to be unleashed..............within, reason.