Another surf spot closed. - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnR · 08-22-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by steve

John, well put. I'm going to be a little more careful about the private places from now on. And believe it or not, the main reason why I am so candid about surf fishing spots is because I want to be helpful to the younger guys. You know, just giving a little "back".

Steve - I agree whole heartedly. And I've seen you giving back time and time again (sheet, I am personally a recipient of some of that giving

- and I was once young

). My big fear is that some people, and enough people for it to be an important consideration, take the fishing knowledge in but do not take to heart the responsibility that you pass along as well. Call it McDonalds Syndrome or whatever. When someone does it face to face, they can pass that along and make it understood better.

Off my soap box, wasn't trying to make it a spot talk thread

likwid · 08-22-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

How 'bout USE YOUR HEAD. We don't do it in areas where the racks will wash up.

"we"?
Got a frenchman in your pocket?

shadow · 08-22-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid

And when you do this on private property and the rack washes up on the landowner's property and they don't like it, then what?

There's this thing in National Forests called "leave no trace"
More people need to acknowledge it.

I guess some spots that might not be a good idea.I think it depends on the amount of people catching their,and if there are homes near by.The spots I fish are off the beaten path and are public with no homes close by.I do this because the walks are long and even dangerous towing a fish.and I myself have never seen a frame at any of the spots I fish.But I see your point.

steve · 08-22-2008, 09:58 AM

Thanks JR for your kind words, You make some very valid points also.

Nebe · 08-22-2008, 10:11 AM

What sucks is that the people who actually had permission to fish there and did it quietly and respectfully will now have to pay the price for the A-holes who had neither respect, nor permission.

Thank you one and all.. who ever you are

likwid · 08-22-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow

I do this because the walks are long and even dangerous towing a fish.

There are ways to build carry harnesses with 1" tubular webbing that put the fish on your back and keep your hands free. Same as dragging deer out of the woods.

JFigliuolo · 08-22-2008, 10:23 AM

This thread makes me HAPPY!!!!

Well, not really, but sort of. I never did fish frenchmans. So I have NO IDEA what I will be missing.

SUCKS! for the guys that did though.

If It was one of my pet spots I'd be bummin for sure. Sorry guys. I really mean that.

shadow · 08-22-2008, 10:28 AM

as always you have all the answers.likwid knows more then most.I figured you would of known that I have a bad back and have so for a while just had surgery just over a month ago to try and help things out.other wise I think I could of figured out how to carry a fish without the help of likwid.This is now getting silly so just pm me with anymore of your knowledge.

Joe · 08-22-2008, 11:02 AM

The way I understood it was that the road that was gated was a historical right-of-way. The spot is not private - the road leading up to it is. They essentially stole the access from the public when they established an association and built the homes.

JFigliuolo · 08-22-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe

The way I understood it was that the road that was gated was a historical right-of-way. The spot is not private - the road leading up to it is. They essentially stole the access from the public when they established an association and built the homes.

Go figure... $$$ talks. Who would 'a thunk it.

Karl F · 08-22-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by go4broke44

Flaptail, theres a MA law about "right of easement" or something, so technically they can't limit you access if you have been doing it for X number of years without a problem

One thing I have learned here in MA, is that the above is not so... especially if you have a land courted Registered Deed... no rights of easement can be applied even well after 20 years of use... fortunatley, this worked out to my benifit, in my case....
and as Swimmer stated, if the property owner closes the path once a year, he's covered.
Property Owners do have rights, and can pull the strings... but it is unfortunate, that some spoil it enuf to force the owner into closing it down for all.

ThrowingTimber · 08-22-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by steve

TT, Maybe,good point. The constrution is well before the lock though.

Just saying steve, the foreman on the jobsite may be concerned with tools etc, growing legs and walking off at night. I'm just saying you've got to make 100% sure what the closure is due to. Gossip is after all a female trait

Vic

Mike P · 08-22-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by go4broke44

Flaptail, theres a MA law about "right of easement" or something, so technically they can't limit you access if you have been doing it for X number of years without a problem

Not in this case. There was never a general right of access--select individuals had permission from the old owners of those houses to cross their yards and fish there. Some would allow you to park your vehicle in their yard, too. You can't gain a prescriptive easement by using the property with the express permission of the landowner. Your use of the property has to be open and under some claim of right, so crossing the guy's yard at 3 AM while he's asleep isn't the same as an open and notorious use adverse to the landowner's right of ownership.

There are unmarked public rights of way in those areas though, that most people don't know exist, as the signs were removed by landowners years ago

likwid · 08-22-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow

I figured you would of known that I have a bad back and have so for a while just had surgery just over a month ago to try and help things out.

Less bitching and fishing and more PT.

Carry on.

Grapenuts · 08-22-2008, 12:52 PM

was a time when there were only a few fisherman with lots of open space to fish in..now it's reversed...to many fisherman with very little open space...smart ones already switched over to anything that will float.dingy..yak..tin..tubes....in a few years most good fishing holes will be closed do to many people period....we lost a great spring place down a long dirt road that lead to a small lighthouse..well someone went and broke all the windows in the lighthouse...that was it..road closed...worst thing to come along were those things called suv's.

Flaptail · 08-22-2008, 12:53 PM

Loose lips sink ships (spots in this case)

numbskull · 08-22-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Loose lips sink ships (spots in this case)

Hmmmmmmm..........now where did I hear that lately?

Pete F. · 08-22-2008, 04:53 PM

This is a problem that will not go away.
Every spot that is lost puts more pressure on the ones that are left.
Combined with the increase in the # of people fishing it ain't good.

Back Beach · 08-22-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Loose lips sink ships (spots in this case)

Most average fishers avoid the place due to the amount of walking effort required to reach the water. Secret spot? No.
Its was about as big a secret as Race Point. Lots of lazy fishermen know the place but don't use it. Kind of like what you mentioned last week with your buddies walking a mile plus to a sandy udl on the cape. Only the hearty souls need apply.

NIB · 08-22-2008, 05:18 PM

I walked it once I didn't think it was that long...
here in NJ..We are having a grand ole time here in regards to access.One town recently posted both sides of the street "No Parking" due to scup type fisherman dumping bass racks in a homeowners garbage can after it was cut up on his front lawn..Can you imagine..The homeowner pulled in the driveway as the second fish was getting cleaned..For years this very popular location was one of the main locals in the spring run..The whole thing is out of control anymore..

Another spot was a retreat for religous folks.A beautiful overlook with a big lot complete with religous statues an the whole nine yards that was steps from the ocean..I used to barely idle thru there.Well some joker decides he has to take a dump and goes inside the retreat..When confronted by the priest he starts cursing him out..

U can't make this stuff up..

Karl F · 08-22-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapenuts

was a time when there were only a few fisherman with lots of open space to fish in..now it's reversed...to many fisherman with very little open space...smart ones already switched over to anything that will float.dingy..yak..tin..tubes....in a few years most good fishing holes will be closed do to many people period....we lost a great spring place down a long dirt road that lead to a small lighthouse..well someone went and broke all the windows in the lighthouse...that was it..road closed...worst thing to come along were those things called suv's.

I have said for years (others too) that 4 wheel drive has ruined beach access... remember, it was the diehards that went out there in 2 wheel drive first.. ( and i've seen horse and buggy pics, from prior to model T and model A days)... so yeah that, on the suv's..

but.. walk on access is definately in peril now too......few bad apples, always seem to spoil the whole barrel...

Joe · 08-22-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NIB

Another spot was a retreat for religous folks.A beautiful overlook with a big lot complete with religous statues an the whole nine yards that was steps from the ocean..I used to barely idle thru there.Well some joker decides he has to take a dump and goes inside the retreat..When confronted by the priest he starts cursing him out..

U can't make this stuff up..

"He who taketh a dump in church sits in his own pew."

woodghost · 08-22-2008, 06:29 PM

The access was not cut off by the contractor! the Knob that lives on the very end is super commando aggressive about people being down there! I was parked down there waiting for the general cont. to show me around the site a month or so ago and was sitting there on my phone i walked to the other side of the street and was looking at the rocks for 15 seconds(still on the phone and road) And homeboy was on me like stink on a dead eel, no more than 15 seconds! Homeskillet was not happy that i was looking at the water at all! He told me that the area i was in was private and that i needed to stay on the property i was there to look at! He then showed me where the propererty line was and scampered away! more than a few bad thoughts and evil deeds creeped into my head but maturity prevailed and i went back there later in the week from an alternative means of transport and climbed on a nice perch and caught afew small schoolies and was outta there before he knew i was there! I think the main problem is the idiots among us! Nature is not doing her part to elminate the morons that fish --none the less live! Carry out your trash and respect other peoples rights...respect our right to fish!

Krispy · 08-22-2008, 07:57 PM

The people that "deserve" to fish certain areas, be it private, hard to reach, dangerous to the general public, etc. do so through hard work and determination. Scouting, road maps, aerials, talking to peers, time on the water, and general foxness, its earned.
It was burned bad and it was burned out of egotism.

cow tamer · 08-22-2008, 08:20 PM

Went by this afternoon and found the gate open.
I would think the gatekeepers would get tired of securing it after awhile.
The games people play.

MotoXcowboy · 08-22-2008, 09:13 PM

these rocks n' spots all on the interblab.....

fishaholic18 · 08-22-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

they are doing construction on site.

You should make sure it doesnt have to do with that, before you go on about the sky falling.

Don't matter now, not after this post....... If it wasn't shut down for good....it will be.....

Saltheart · 08-22-2008, 10:40 PM

Never mind , just a waste of keystrokes at this point.

TianaBeachDude · 08-23-2008, 12:56 AM

Guys, I live on a beach that is frequented by fisherman who fish the open beach. I have had nothing but joy watching our community fish right in front of my house. However, latley for the sake of keeping my neighbors fisherman friendly, during my morning walks, I have had to clean up a bag of debris left behind from the night before. I guess if I wasnt a fisherman, I would be pissed.

Please respect private property on your way to the "medium high water mark" where you are allowed.

Bad manners make us all look bad.

TBD

JohnR · 08-23-2008, 06:52 AM

Thread closed - discussing a spot after all