Palin? The race is over, all hail Pres Obama

[Nebe]

Desperate people make desperate decisions.

[Nebe]

agian.. desperate people make desperate decisions.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

agian.. desperate people make desperate decisions.

Like voting for a 148 day wonder?

My initial reaction was disappointment but the more I learn about her I'm seeing this as an extremely shrewd political maneuver. There's a whole lot of disenfranchised cougars out there who are already applauding the choice. 80% bi-partisan support in her state. Neither JM or BHO can make that claim.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

There's a whole lot of disenfranchised cougars out there who are already applauding the choice. 80% bi-partisan support in her state. Neither JM or BHO can make that claim.

Yea, amazing that the people who voted her into office, in a very red state, would support her as VP

-spence

[JoeP]

Haven't been in here for a while because I haven't been overly excited about my Republican Party's actions the past couple years...

But picking Sarah Palin is a Home Run!! on all fronts. Too many positives to list here. Just a great pick...

I already thought that the almighty chosen one Obama could not win the electoral college in November - but I think picking VP Palin really puts it over the edge.

You can see it already that since about 11:00AM today the mighty Obama's speech from atop his tower last night has already been wiped out of the headlines by Palin. It's amazing the amount of positive energy this pick of Palin has generated in 12 hours.

And remember one thing about Biden. As quick/sharp as he may be his main "trait" is his annoying condescending and arrogant tone in his comments. He pulls that stuff against Sarah Palin in a debate and he'll immediately be cast as the evil ogre attacking the lovely VP female candidate... Remember Gore rolling his eyes...that went over really well.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JoeP

And remember one thing about Biden. As quick/sharp as he may be his main "trait" is his annoying condescending and arrogant tone in his comments. He pulls that stuff against Sarah Palin in a debate and he'll immediately be cast as the evil ogre attacking the lovely VP female candidate... Remember Gore rolling his eyes...that went over really well.

I think this could cut both ways, sure he could be seen as a bully...on the other hand many voters would see her as not up to the fight.

Because she's an attractive woman people may apply a higher standard.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, amazing that the people who voted her into office, in a very red state, would support her as VP

-spence

The approval rating is for her job as Governor and has nothing to do with the vice presidency. Try to keep up.

[fishsmith]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

My initial reaction was disappointment but the more I learn about her I'm seeing this as an extremely shrewd political maneuver.

Me thinks the same, . This move does take the wind out of DNC. My vote remains with McCain, I gots to shut up and listen more ...

as a side note, I am happy that Jay Severin didn't get his boy Mitt

[The Dad Fisherman]

Her Kids have weird names

Track, Bristol., Willow, Piper, and Trig

[tynan19]

Here is a better one.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Here is a better one.

We need one with gurry on her glasses

Just watched part of the CNBC exclusive, she is actually very articulate. Don't know how much was setup but it was indeed an enlightening show.

NECN had PUMPAC.ORG leaning her way, their postion was that Hillary was denied the bid by election gerrymandering.

[sokinwet]

Hey I'm a lifelong hunter and fisherman too and I don't know much about this woman yet; but so far I've read....creationist, believes global warming is a hoax, against a womans right to choose, not a hint of foreign policy experience, a short time removed from being Mayor of thriving "podunk" Alaska.... I'm jaded here..I work for local government ;-( ..., being investigated by special counsel in her own state for abuse of power...this certainly doesn't get any of the "Hillary" vote...and I dont care if she was pulling pots on "Deadliest Catch" and looks like J Lo, it sure as heck won't get mine either.

[Nebe]

Sokinwet's got it right.

[RIROCKHOUND]

So, I'm not quite the hippy that Eben is, but I agree with Sokinwet as well..

Palin:
Creationist (Seriously?)
believes global warming is a hoax
against a woman's right to choose


That there is far enough for me.
I don't care if she was the supreme ruler of Mars before hand. Leadership experience doesn't make up for the the fact that she is an uber-rightwinger.

Add on.
has been governor for less than two years
no foreign-policy experience

I think McCain had to go way right or towards the center with his pick. He went for the way right.
I'll always say, I like McCain, I respect McCain, I just disagree with his politics way too much to ever support him.


One quote I read on slate.com (I usually don't like 'opinions' from sites like that, bu I still read it, along with the WSJ)
"If Sara Palin is ready to be commander in chief, then so is Barack Obama"

[MAC]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

One quote I read on slate.com (I usually don't like 'opinions' from sites like that, bu I still read it, along with the WSJ)
"If Sara Palin is ready to be commander in chief, then so is Barack Obama"

LOL, Only problem with this analogy is Palin is in the running for VP, not Pres.

[buckman]

I like the pick. If you see the response from the Obama camp they are stumped on what to do. If they attack her as a women, then Hillary's pissed. She has more executive expeirence them Obama. We will see what she has in her closet but even the leftest media will have to treat her with kid gloves. But here's the thing.. she doesn't appear to need special treatment. She's going to be very tough to knock off her game. And she's a refreshing change from the BS that we see day to day in Washington. I say it's over for Obama not McCain. Check and Mate

[likwid]

Originally Posted by buckman

I like the pick. If you see the response from the Obama camp they are stumped on what to do. If they attack her as a women, then Hillary's pissed. She has more executive expeirence them Obama. We will see what she has in her closet but even the leftest media will have to treat her with kid gloves. But here's the thing.. she doesn't appear to need special treatment. She's going to be very tough to knock off her game. And she's a refreshing change from the BS that we see day to day in Washington. I say it's over for Obama not McCain. Check and Mate

Equal rights equal fights.
Bring it on her.
Who the hell cares about Hillary? She's not the candidate.

"Oh the Hillary voters oh the Hillary voters." You mean the "woman president" voters. Eff em. They're too goddamn stupid to look at the issues and would vote for the communist party if it were running a female candidate.

Palin is pro pebble mine. Supports Bristol Bay? My a@#$.
Open pit mining is a death sentence for that watershed.

Palin is pro life? Nice, keep pandering to the right and the church and telling women what they can do with their body.

More experience than Obama? At what? Abusing her power you'd be dead on. (Check out why she's being investigated RIGHT NOW.)

She bows to the commercial fishermen crying about quotas. They want free range to kill as much as they want. Thats NOT what the majority wants. Just look at what the comms have done to Georges Bank. Thats what her husband and the few want. Greed vs conservation.

I honestly don't care at the moment about foreign policy considering we're running an epic debt in this country.
Bomb the living hell out of Botswana for all I care, just stop using my money to do it.

[MAC]

So if Obama is about CHANGE.... Tell me how Biden brings this to Obama's ticket ? 30 years in DC is not change.....

Obama seems to think he is above everybody. Hopefully his elitist attitude will sink him.

Obama messed up in not taking the "old battle ax"as a running mate. I think his ego wouldn't allow it though. Biden will fit in in that aspect though as he thinks he is somewhat elite as well.

[spence]

Originally Posted by MAC

So if Obama is about CHANGE.... Tell me how Biden brings this to Obama's ticket ? 30 years in DC is not change.....

Simple, to CHANGE you need someone close to you who understands how every facet of government works...that's Joe Biden.

While #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney did attempt to make the Executive Branch have devine status, the fact remains that there are three branches for a reason.

-spence

[Joe]

Good time to lay some money down on McCain - before the odds change and he becomes the favorite.
Vegas has Obama at 1-2 ($100 bet will get you $50) and McCain at 3-2 ($100 bet will get you $150)

[buckmanjr]

I'm not sure with Biden's ambitions, he isn't hoping for a well placed bullet! I wouldn't trust him if I were Obama.

[JoeP]

All you critics need to read some more about her for yourselves and stop reading secondhand stuff from anti-conservatives.

From what I read:

- yeah she is against gay-marriage (as many centrists are as well as conservatives) - but she is in favor of and has granted/passed gay equality/benefits rights as domestic partners. Just not the actual marriage part.

- she may not believe in 100% man-made doom & gloom Al Gore type global warming that will end the world in 50 years - but she has supported & formed a committee to address "climate change" in Alaska, she worked to pass the large natural gas pipeline in Alaska to address our oil-dependency, and she took on the large oil companies in Alaska as well.

And say what you will, pro-life & creationism in my book are important qualities.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JoeP

- yeah she is against gay-marriage (as many centrists are as well as conservatives) - but she is in favor of and has granted/passed gay equality/benefits rights as domestic partners. Just not the actual marriage part.

The Alaska Supreme Court ruled on the issue and there was nothing she could do about it. That doesn't imply an endorsemnt if you ask me...

Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to homosexual couples.

"I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-7942233c.html

- she may not believe in 100% man-made doom & gloom Al Gore type global warming that will end the world in 50 years - but she has supported & formed a committee to address "climate change" in Alaska, she worked to pass the large natural gas pipeline in Alaska to address our oil-dependency, and she took on the large oil companies in Alaska as well.

No, she's on record stating many times that she doesn't believe global warming to be man made. This puts her on the extreme right of this position, and opposite science.

Worse yet, the Al Gore style doom and gloom is becoming more mainstream among the scientific community every day.

From what I've read, her actions with the oil industry appear to be commendable.

-spence

[Nebe]

Guys. All that matters is she is HOT... that should secure the NASCAR vote.. Game OVER.

[Joe]

Popular bumper sticker in Alaska....
"Alaska...Coldest State, Hottest Govenor!"

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Guys. All that matters is she is HOT... that should secure the NASCAR vote.. Game OVER.

~
she needs the the speed....

and should be seen driving a race car....

as long as she doesn't say-> yall..

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by spence

The Alaska Supreme Court ruled on the issue and there was nothing she could do about it. That doesn't imply an endorsemnt if you ask me...

Here's the article excerpt I've read a few times now:

"Palin’s first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska’s attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation."

Hey whatever spin you want to put on this there are 2 things I think are true:

1. It was a great pick...
2. It's gonna be a great election process to watch...


Enough for me here.

[spence]

No spin, she simply is regarding the state Constitution over her personal opinion. That doesn't mean she's in favor of the action.

It's a risky pick for sure.

-spence

[buckman]

McCain up in the polls. Obama coming unglued. CNN, MSNBC trying to somehow, someway get the goods on Palin. McCain's picking Palin, brilliant. Obama's pick, not so brilliant

[MAC]

I think the Obama crowd is a little scared right now. He should have grabbed Hillary when he had the chance. Personally I don't see Biden doing much for him.

Obama talks about CHANGE...... Biden has been in DC for what, 30 years ? That to me sounds like same old, same old.... to me. Not change.....

And on the debates; I think Biden will get chewed up. A heckler would probably drive him nuts and totally off topic.


Like Swimmer pointed out though. The main race is between Obama and John McCain. Hopefully the Reps. smoke em.