McCain's speech

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Let them have a cage match

That was the plan but they've had no luck finding a cage that can hold Sarah.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

That was the plan but they've had no luck finding a cage that can hold Sarah.

[Nebe]

I agree with you Buckman..on all points. One thing about Carter though... I beleive he was Honest about everything he did and did not try to fool anyone by saying one thing and doing another(Saying Saddam was planning some horrible act agianst the US for example. Or saying he was not a nation builder and topple 2 governments.). Am I wrong about that?? I was a kid when he was in office.

[Nebe]

A friend of mine posted this on another site.. I thought I would post it..

I don't understand how people cannot see the Republicans for the transparent liars that they are. McCain states that he is a maverick and will cross the aisle to get things done, but when it came down to the selection of his VP he caved to the pressure exerted on him by the evangelical right (in my opinion the most dangerous force in American politics). They, in fact, now hold his leash and that needs to be remembered when comparing the two candidates. Obama will make decisions based on what he thinks is the best for the country, agree or disagree with him. McCain will be forced to consider what the evangelical right wants in every decision he makes or face the party consequences. Make no mistake... evangelicals want nothing less than a theocracy and they think Palin is their ticket. They are already talking about 2012. McCain is very likely to be a one-term president if he wins.

Hillary vs Palin in 2012.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I agree with you Buckman..on all points. One thing about Carter though... I beleive he was Honest about everything he did and did not try to fool anyone by saying one thing and doing another(Saying Saddam was planning some horrible act agianst the US for example. Or saying he was not a nation builder and topple 2 governments.). Am I wrong about that?? I was a kid when he was in office.

A very good point, Carter wasn't an effective leader but Bush has shown to be neither effective nor honest.

This Administration has done so much to sieze power from the American people and then pull a curtian around their activities. I'm a believer that a government for the people must fairly transparent to even have a chance at being effective.

-spence

[buckman]

Call me a fool, but I believe McCain and Palin will in fact try to do everything they can to change the way things are done. The way you and I want them done. However with the Dems in charge( and they will be out for blood if Obama looses) I think they will have a tough time accomplishing anything. I do feel they will be outspoken critics of busness as usual. If Obama gets in with party in charge and he is able to appoint any justice they want, unchallanged, we will be screwed. And that damage could last a generation or more and do more harm to this country then you can imagine. And that alone will prevent me from ever putting one party in charge of everything.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

If Obama gets in with party in charge and he is able to appoint any justice they want, unchallanged, we will be screwed. And that damage could last a generation or more and do more harm to this country then you can imagine. And that alone will prevent me from ever putting one party in charge of everything.

Bush did everything he could to stack the courts to the Right, so I'd have no issue with some moderation on the bench. The courts above all should be as neutral as possible, and yes I understand that how I worded that is a loaded statement.

And I agree on your second point, even arguing to some friends that a vote for McCain might be prudent simply to keep balance with the most likely very Democratic US Congress. This assumes of course that we actually get the "old" McCain who's apt to bridge party lines in favor of pragmatism, vs the "new" McCain who would owe a might debt to the far Right for getting him elected.

-spence

[Nebe]

Your no fool Buckman. This country is so divided right now, no matter who wins, there is going to be a lot of pissed off people.

[buckman]

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

No, and that is probably a good thing. I liked Roberts as he looked like the real deal, but Alito was a bit of a sham.

Remember there are three branches of government for a reason, and it would take many, many consistent Adminstrations to really lead us very far down that path. Even Obama with a Dem Congress wouldn't lead to socialism. It may lead to some liberal legislation but this is a pretty tough country and some of it may actually be a good thing.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

It's like you have your hand on his thigh.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

well.. socialism is one thing, but it has seemed to me that after 9/11 this country has gone down the path to fascism.

In regards to agreeing with you, I tend to sound extremely liberal on here, but in reality I am not...i am just a person who pays very close attention to what is going on.... Also, I have a great distaste for Bush incase you havent noticed..