Does anyone care about the debate tonight?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

You just don't listen do you?
Thats ok.

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.

[Nebe]

Jim, I suggest you start a consultation business. I have and write off $20 for every post on this forum.. ... not really.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

You are working to Hard Jim, slow up and smell the roses. You didn't hear? Weez gonna 'spread the wealth.'

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

OH MY GOD IT WAS SUCH A BLASTING!
MAN JUST NO REPLY COULD BE MADE IN RESPONSE!


WITTY RETORT BRAVO BRAVO

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

Too much Dennis and Callahan, Bronko
You don't call her 'Our Sarah' do you?

[Nebe]

The people who make over 250 a year are smart enough to know that if they dont want their money to go to the gubmint, they will reinvest their earnings into their own business and hire more people so that THEY will win and not the gubmint. Come on jim, do i have to explain everything to you

I will use myself for an example.. Joe Glass Artist.

lets say I cleared 450 G's after expenses last year..I know this and am sitting on a big chunk of change that I dont want to give to Obama.. What am I going to do?? Well... I would dump that extra $200 grand into marketing, new equipment, new materials for R&D, throw a huge studio party (entertainment expense) and basically cook my books down to only earning 249 thousand. Its perfectly legal and Its in everyone's best interest that I do it... Infact, like it or not, I just stimulated the economy way more than a stupid $300 stimulus check
Joe Glass Artists and Joe Plumber's main problem right now is that the ecomomy is in such a crappy spot now that its going to be really hard to think in those terms for a few years..

[likwid]

Hell, you can make just about anything a business expense.

[RIJIMMY]

I see your liberal ethics shining through.

Not the case though for RIJImmy and spouse who work for people, get paid well and still have to sock away as much cash as possible in order to send kids to college, who will get penalized for grants/loans becasue their parents make $ and yet there parents are penalized becasue of their salaris and have to pay higher taxes! What incentive!

[likwid]

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

then I couldnt claim them as dependants on my taxes.

[RIJIMMY]

Obamas pitch is that he is about Change and a Uniter. He really is just :anti-bush" whihc I cant blame the american public for supporting given Bush;s performance but look at this Interesting from factcheck.org.

Obama strained to portray himself as willing to break ranks with fellow Democrats. His prime example was his vote for a bill that was supported by 18 Democrats and opposed by 26. Congressional Quarterly rates him as voting with his party 97 percent of the time since becoming a U.S. senator.

Not much of a uniter and not one for independant thought.

[RIJIMMY]

did you guys see the latest McCain ad! Whoa, this is an attack, scroll down to view!

http://www.videovat.com/videos/971/c...ping-real.aspx

[striperman36]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smal...ion=2008101612

Fact check: Plumber Joe's taxes

McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama's plan.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Just listening to it now.

Would someone please tell McCain drilling now WILL NOT drop the price of oil in the short term!!

Please?!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Just your terms:
Moonbat is their favorite.

I f'ing hate that a sports station, during MLB playoffs is 90% politics in the morning.
if I click over and thats their topic, I switch it.
They are losing me as a listener, I'm sure I'm not alone...

ok, hijack over

[buckman]

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

[boot man]

Originally Posted by buckman

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

What was the deficit Bush I left Slick Willie?

[wader-dad]

[QUOTE=boot man;629343]What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

This is the total nation debt growth. Those are trillions. More shocking when you add all the zeros

1999 5,656,000,000,000
2000 5,674,000,000,000
2005 7,933,000,000,000
2007 9,008,000,000,000
2008 10,024,700,000,000--estimated= already broke the national debt clock when it hit 10 trillion.

I thought that Republicans are fiscal conservatives and do not run up big deficits.

The following is admittedly from a Bill Clinton website in 1999 but the contrast is astounding:


President Clinton: The United States on Track to Pay Off the Debt by End of the Decade

December 28, 2000

Today, President Clinton will announce that The United States is on course to eliminate its public debt within the next decade. The Administration also announced that we are projected to pay down $237 billion in debt in 2001. Due in part to a strong economy and the President’s commitment to fiscal discipline, the federal fiscal condition has improved for an unprecedented nine consecutive years. Based upon today’s new economic and budget projections for the coming 10 years from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB):

The United States can be debt-free this decade. By dedicating the entire budget surplus to debt reduction, The United States can eliminate its publicly held debt by FY 2009. The next Administration and Congress will need to decide what priorities to address: eliminate the public debt by FY 2010 and still use part of the surplus for responsible tax cuts, prescription drug benefits for Medicare recipients, and investments in key priorities like education and health care.
The national debt is projected to be paid down by $237 billion this year. Under the budget President Clinton and Congress completed two weeks ago, the U.S. is projected to pay down $237 billion of the national debt in FY 2001.
The 4 year total debt paydown will be $600 billion. Over the last three years, we have already paid down $363 billion in debt. Therefore, The United States is on track to reduce the debt by $600 billion over four years, the largest four-year debt pay-down ever.
Record deficits have become record surpluses. This Administration has have moved the country from a deficit of $290 billion in FY 1992 to an expected surplus of $256 billion in FY 2001. Eight years ago, the Congressional Budget Office projected a $513 billion deficit in FY 2001. Thus, the fiscal picture is now projected to improve by $769 billion in FY 2001 alone.
Nine consecutive years of fiscal improvement. FY 2001 will be the fourth year in a row of overall surpluses and the second year in a row of a surplus without counting Social Security or Medicare. It will be the ninth consecutive year of fiscal improvement, the longest such period in history



Yeah I am afraid of those insane big spending Democrats.

If not for the blow jobs, Gore would have won and we would not be in this disaster. Fuc-k You Bill Clinton its all your fault.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

Simple, if 95% of the people have more money they'll either:

1) Save it which will help solve our long-term credit addiction that's weakened our economy or

2) Spend it which will increase the revenues of businesses and increasing corporate tax revenues. With increased revenues business will be able to pay their employees more increasing individual tax revenues and invest for future growth.

Increased tax revenues can be used to pay down the defecit, assuming that spending is under control. This remains to be a giagantic problem regardless of who's in charge.

It's funny how for the GOP, more money in the pocket seems to be a good thing when it's the investor class, and a bad thing when it's the working class.

Trickle up and trickle down are not mutually exclusive.

-spence

[Nebe]

trickle up makes the rich nervous..

[Nebe]

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by Nebe

trickle up makes the rich nervous..

Trickle down makes the poor lazy.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Trickle down makes the poor lazy.

sounds like you should vote for obama then...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by buckman

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break.

Will that be before or after he rolls back the Bush tax cuts?

Three trillion $ in new spending programs, and only the top 5% are going to pay for them.
Believe that and i got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

He better start taking magician's lessons.

[Nebe]

disgusting..

[buckman]

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.

Any so why is McCain any different?

-spence

[Nebe]

well it looks like we shall find out doesnt it