Same old story - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 11:04 AM

I asked the DEM guys that were at the RISAA show this question and according to them "per calender day" is the key phrase.

At the time I was wondering about fishing past midnight (new calender day) and they said the burden was on me to prove the fish were caught on different days.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:05 AM

Per calendar day.

End of story
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JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:10 AM

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Per calendar day.

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correct. You "possessed" 2. You gave them away. You possessed 2 more. For the calendar day you possessed 4 fish.

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:22 AM

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correct. You "possessed" 2. You gave them away. You possessed 2 more. For the calendar day you possessed 4 fish.

I disagree. Once again, please see my disclaimer above. Im not saying its right or wrong, its how the law reads and thats all that matters in court.

If I smoke 20 joints and get pulled over - I dont get arrested for "possesion".

The reg does not say catch or kill, it says possess. 12 guys on a boat - only one guy fishing, how many bass can that boat bring in dead. 24.
Its how many they possess. I agree with Nebe and JF but the law is not written that way. Its a slippery slope.

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:25 AM

Where's Mike P when you need him???

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:26 AM

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Where's Mike P when you need him???

i was thinking the same thing!

MikeToole · 08-23-2010, 11:36 AM

Mass and RI both say 2 fish/per day/per person. Go to there web page.

Now enforcing this is a different story. How can you prove who caught the fish once the boat comes in unless you saw them. I would say many charters fill the limit any way they can. As far as going out twice in the same day, once again if no one sees you your home free. I've seen it occur on party boats fishing for cod.

This is kind of like the Mass commercial license. Pay short money, catch 5 fish, take them home for friends or sell under the table. Unless someone is watching you all of the way you won't get caught. There are ways to use the law to cover illegal activities.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:27 AM

4 guys fishing a boat, 1 guy catches and kills 6 out of 8 fish... Boat is legal when they are stopped, 2 a man... Happens all the time...
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JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:35 AM

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4 guys fishing a boat, 1 guy catches and kills 6 out of 8 fish... Boat is legal when they are stopped, 2 a man... Happens all the time...
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Then those 4 guys go home for lunch, head out again for the evening bite and kill another 8 fish - illegal.

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There are alot of technicalities.. I'm well aware of what's going on...No matter what you say your not getting busted unless you have more than your limit in POSSESSION..

You seem to have an issue discerning between the legality of an action and how often it occurs. I take a leak in the parking lot before putting my waders on, do it all the time, I'm sure we all do - does that make it legal?

afterhours · 08-23-2010, 11:39 AM

i guess it ain't cheating unless you get caught.......morales?

Slipknot · 08-23-2010, 11:50 AM

does the rule read possess 2 per day?
or possess 2 at a time cowhunter?

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:41 AM

Go out fishing in the evening, catch 2 fish before midnight and 2 more after, come back to the dock with 4 fish explain to the eps how you caught them on two different calander days...
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Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:50 AM

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Go out fishing in the evening, catch 2 fish before midnight and 2 more after, come back to the dock with 4 fish explain to the eps how you caught them on two different calander days...
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Your in possession of 4. Illegal
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CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 12:18 PM

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Your in possession of 4. Illegal
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I was being sarcastic, although in some states, fisheries you can doc on your license, and it would be legal... The only stink I'm making is some people make a recreational issue, which is a huge problem, guys making multiple trips and killing multiple "legal" limits.. Some people want to take a clear recreational issue, problem, and blame it on commercials...
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tattoobob · 08-23-2010, 04:43 PM

I hope all you people writing about how you feel on a internet fishing site are also writing letters to the powers to be

Just sayin'

jmac · 08-23-2010, 11:47 AM

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Oh right.. And that's why just about every charter boat out of point Judith that makes 2 trips a day is keeping 2 fish per the captian and mates??

...and if you attended RIMFC mtgs you would know that that is an issue that has/is being reviewed...check the Marine Council meeting minutes page; sticky issue that RIDEM Law Enforcement is still having legal council review.....

Slipknot · 08-23-2010, 12:00 PM

lunchbreak is over

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:56 AM

I think #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& hacked into cowhinters account

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jmac · 08-23-2010, 12:09 PM

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reg is posted above for RI.
It says "possess" 2 fish per day. There is a LOT of room for interpretation in the reg - hence the above banter.

....and this is why a lot of this has been discussed for years by the RI Marine Fisheries Council...ever since they changed the rod and reel commercial quota to a general category so that the draggers could get in on the action...you should have been at the mtgs for that one.

Anyways, the laws are so convoluted, and have been so "massaged" that, RIDEM law enforcement have trouble understanding them; case in point, half of them do not know what the regs are for recreational baitfishing (menhaden, cast nets, gillnets etc.).

As Kenny and others have stated, it's a slippery slope when it comes to possession language....thru the years I have know several situations where people basically got a "slap on the wrist" because the law was fraught with errors and the judge would agree; in his mind, there were other more important "fish to fry" than questions of excess fish possession (I am in no way condoning this, but telling it like it is). Now when that same judge would try a case involving illegal shellfishing (polluted waters, etc), that DIRECTLY AFFECTED PEOPLE'S HEALTH...whole different story...Clammer can vouch for that...some guys lost boats, licenses ,etc and were even put in jail.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 12:31 PM

Anyone who is killing bass on a regular basis is the problem.
The real problem however is the " everyone else is doing it, so why don't I " mentality.

Sad
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ivanputski · 08-23-2010, 12:50 PM

Saw a guy once at the BI ferry in the morning... couldnt wait to brag on all the fish he caught. He was there for a vacation with his family for 4 days, showed me 2 bass in a cooler, and fillets from 6 more fish in the same cooler. 2fish per day, and is now taking them home from his vacation. Now if he was stopped on the spot, He had 8 bass in his possession... the legality of it confused me... I think it would be tough to convict him of anything... Now my issue is with the guy who is at the ferry with 8, talking about how he was there all week, when he was there one night... there is a loophole in the specifics of the law... its too vague.

If you were judged by whats in your possession at the time you are stopped, then every guy ever coming home from Alaska would be handcuffed at the airport with their cooler

Raider Ronnie · 08-23-2010, 01:16 PM

Holy crap !
Any of you guys actually work during the day ?

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 01:32 PM

Ever since I started keeping 4 bass a day I don't have to work.

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likwid · 08-23-2010, 05:05 PM

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Ever since I started keeping 4 bass a day I don't have to work.

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OH VELLY NICE.
YOU BRINGY MORE TO BACK DOOR
KNOCK 4 TIMES HO HO

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 05:45 PM

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OH VELLY NICE.
YOU BRINGY MORE TO BACK DOOR
KNOCK 4 TIMES HO HO

Code word ezz "gererah sow"!!!!!

Joe · 08-23-2010, 01:45 PM

Just tail a couple of charter guys, find out where they stash their fish and rat them out. Otherwise they'll never caught. The DEM does not actually catch anyone doing anything unless it's spoon fed to them. Stake out the premier restaurants too - somehow they've slipped under the radar for the last forty years or so. Funny how they're so selective about who they catch and make such a big deal of it when they do.

Mr. Sandman · 08-23-2010, 04:36 PM

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Just tail a couple of charter guys, find out where they stash their fish and rat them out. Otherwise they'll never caught. The DEM does not actually catch anyone doing anything unless it's spoon fed to them. Stake out the premier restaurants too - somehow they've slipped under the radar for the last forty years or so. Funny how they're so selective about who they catch and make such a big deal of it when they do.

Right on Right on Right on....a comm was fishing on a sat in my neck of the woods. A few nearby fishermen saw this guy stash 10+ bass in a hidden cooler and had a couple others in anther location. They called the EPO, he came out, went right to the anchored boat, spoke to the guy for less than a min, never asked for lic or anything then left. WTF???

The entire enforcement in MA is an utter joke. There are more guys taking fish on non comm days and keeping them until the next day then selling them under several lics's of people who did not fish. SHorts are being sold under the table direct to restaurants and no one is reporting squat. No one has a rec lic, no one is checking anything. As well as bogus buyers and there is a %$%$%$%$load of guys squeezing this fishery for everything they can as fast as they can "gotta get my share"...and then they say the recs are doing the damage.
Are there honest comm fishermen? Yes there are. But there are a lot (I would say MOST) are not.

How many people were checked last week in that pile of 250 boats off Orleans/ Chatham jigging bass? The wait to haul your boat was over 2 hours I heard. There should have been an EPO checking EVERY SINGLE FISHERMAN, (both on the water and at the dock)and the guys who spilt....should be run down and double checked.

GAMEFISH is the ONLY answer as it handles most of the enforcement with far fewer officers.

I am thinking next year I am going out with my cam corder next year and documenting some of this stuff. If you hang around the fleet you see all kinds of %$%$%$%$.

Raider Ronnie · 08-23-2010, 05:40 PM

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Right on Right on Right on....a comm was fishing on a sat in my neck of the woods. A few nearby fishermen saw this guy stash 10+ bass in a hidden cooler and had a couple others in anther location. They called the EPO, he came out, went right to the anchored boat, spoke to the guy for less than a min, never asked for lic or anything then left. WTF???

The entire enforcement in MA is an utter joke. There are more guys taking fish on non comm days and keeping them until the next day then selling them under several lics's of people who did not fish. SHorts are being sold under the table direct to restaurants and no one is reporting squat. No one has a rec lic, no one is checking anything. As well as bogus buyers and there is a %$%$%$%$load of guys squeezing this fishery for everything they can as fast as they can "gotta get my share"...and then they say the recs are doing the damage.
Are there honest comm fishermen? Yes there are. But there are a lot (I would say MOST) are not.

How many people were checked last week in that pile of 250 boats off Orleans/ Chatham jigging bass? The wait to haul your boat was over 2 hours I heard. There should have been an EPO checking EVERY SINGLE FISHERMAN, (both on the water and at the dock)and the guys who spilt....should be run down and double checked.

GAMEFISH is the ONLY answer as it handles most of the enforcement with far fewer officers.

I am thinking next year I am going out with my cam corder next year and documenting some of this stuff. If you hang around the fleet you see all kinds of %$%$%$%$.

Bring your camcorder up to Boston Harbor and I'll point out some orientals who fill their coolers with shorts like we watched happen this past sat & sunday!

Raider Ronnie · 08-23-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Just tail a couple of charter guys, find out where they stash their fish and rat them out. Otherwise they'll never caught. The DEM does not actually catch anyone doing anything unless it's spoon fed to them. Stake out the premier restaurants too - somehow they've slipped under the radar for the last forty years or so. Funny how they're so selective about who they catch and make such a big deal of it when they do.

"Just tail a couple of charter guys, find out where they stash their fish and rat them out."

Why the hell would you think a charter is going to "stash fish"
People pay us $ to take them out so THEY can take home fish.

jmac · 08-23-2010, 02:18 PM

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Anyone who is killing bass on a regular basis is the problem.

?????....wow....then there are a lot of problems in the real world.....