Obama Care

[The Dad Fisherman]

How's his glucose levels.....N/A

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

How's his glucose levels.....N/A

Yea, funny they didn't mention anything about that............

[JohnnyD]

This is nonsense.

"Haub said before the diet, he was eating up to 3,000 calories a day and weighed 201 pounds."

And then "he has lost 27 pounds in two months eating approximately 1,800 calories a day – and those calories came from foods like snack cakes, candy bars and even potato chips – basically anything he could get from a vending machine."

Anyone who removes 1200 calories from their diet is going to lose weight. This does not mean it is healthy.
This quote sums it up well:

“This diet is based on refined, processed foods that lack essential vitamins and nutrients, as well as antioxidants and fiber,” she said. “Antioxidants fight cancer, and fiber lowers cholesterol and controls sugar levels, reducing the risk for cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Good health is not just about getting skinny; it also is about increasing chances for longevity. This junk food diet may help you shed a few pounds, but ultimately can reduce your chances for longevity.”

[UserRemoved1]

No that guy really lost the weight. He conditioned himself to eat one piece every 3 hours whether he was hungry or not. So every 3 hours you eat a pack of twinkies. Yea you'd drop weight quick but I'm betting your body is in poor shape.

[buckman]

Food deserts??? This is just an extension of welfare. 400 mill? Who gets that? Are we going to give tax breaks to stores to build in unprofitable areas? Just when you think it can't get any crazier. The good thing is the new House will never fund it. Thank you Tea Party

[scottw]

they might sneak it in under the wire....like this


FLOTUS’ $4.5 Billion School Lunch Bill Could Get Lame Duck Passage

November 10, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — First lady Michelle Obama’s campaign for healthier school lunches could be revived in Congress after two key Democrats said they will drop opposition to using funding from food stamps to pay for it.

Reps. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut and Jim McGovern of Massachusetts have said they will support House passage of a $4.5 billion child nutrition bill that passed the Senate earlier this year. Backed by some anti-hunger groups, the two lawmakers led opposition to passage of that version before the election because it is partially paid for with $2.2 billion taken from future funding for food stamp programs.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

Thank you Tea Party

If it wasn't for the Tea Party, there'd be at least one or two more Republicans in Congress. Nice concept, poor political strategy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

If it wasn't for the Tea Party, there'd be at least one or two more Republicans in Congress. Nice concept, poor political strategy.

that's the dumbest thing you've said in a long time

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

that's the dumbest thing you've said in a long time

No it isn't.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

No it isn't.

it was a tough call, one of the dumbest

if it wasn't for the Tea Party, their organization, dedication and energy the historic proportions of the turn over at every level( YOU NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THE STATE LEVEL TURN OVER) may not have happened....starting with Scott Brown, to suggest that losses by Tea Party "backed" candidates are the fault or result of some shortcoming in the Tea Party is just rediculous...more likely a shortcoming of the Republican party establishment for not fully supporting the primary winner and reluctant, entrenched elitists that don't know when it's time to go...see Murkowski, those that lost were left out on their own in many cases and heavily targeted by the dems...how many trips did Barry and Biden make to Deleware despite the polls? and look at the apparatus that was deployed to Nevada to save Harry's ass...the Tea Party was a huge net plus in an historic sweep...

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PERFECT

Judge uses Obama's words against him - Washington Times

[justplugit]

Another step in the right direction, wished it was the final Supreme Court decision.

I like what the Judge hypothesized, that under Obama's legal theory
the government could mandate eating broccoli.

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[RIROCKHOUND]

Funny thing:

I was talking to a Canadian who lives and works in the US now.

He was treated for and survived childhood cancer. Spent a lot of time dealing with his own personal healthcare. He had zero issues with the health care system in his experience... he can't figure out what the big fuss is here over 'Obama Care'....

it was an interesting perspective....

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Funny thing:

I was talking to a Canadian who lives and works in the US now.

He was treated for and survived childhood cancer. Spent a lot of time dealing with his own personal healthcare. He had zero issues with the health care system in his experience... he can't figure out what the big fuss is here over 'Obama Care'....

it was an interesting perspective....

That might have been years ago, I have a very good friend who was born in Canada and went to College in Boston. He ended up settling down here in the states and had a pretty good semi pro hockey career. His Mom and Dad lived in Ontario and his Mom was diagnosed with Breast Cancer about 4 years ago. His Mom and Dad had enough of the system and would come to the states so that she could be treated. His Dad finally put a request in with work to relocate to the States and they now live here. 2 very different stories and I'm sure there are many more that tell different sides. He will say to this day that if his Mom stayed, her chances wouldn't have been as good.

[Redsoxticket]

Last I knew MA has a health care similar to Ontario or at least Obamacare courtesy of former Governor Romney. Also Boston medical system is second to none in the world so a comparison to Ontario is weak.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Last I knew MA has a health care similar to Ontario or at least Obamacare courtesy of former Governor Romney. Also Boston medical system is second to none in the world so a comparison to Ontario is weak.
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Weak? Ask someone you know from Canada about the wait times to see a specialist...........I know many Canadians and most have similar complaints about very long wait times. We are starting to see that in MA now and it will only get worse.

MA Health is way more open to cover people than Ontario's. They have residency requirements (have to be a citizen and resident of the province for 6 months) we don't.........

They came here for both the quality of Boston's Medical care and more importantly, the quickness of care that they didn't have in Canada.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Last I knew MA has a health care similar to Ontario or at least Obamacare courtesy of former Governor Romney. Also Boston medical system is second to none in the world so a comparison to Ontario is weak.
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That's completely wrong. MA has a health care plan for those who cannot afford health insurance. Most people still have traditional insurance like BCBS or Tufts, etc... either through their employer or on their own. The medical system in MA is very good because they treat people who have private insurance, not because of the people on Masshealth. If everyone in the state was on Masshealth, you would find even longer emergency room waits and fewer medical professionals working in the state.

Ontario has public health. It is mostly paid for through income taxes or other fixed monthly premiums for people who can afford it. There is no BCBS or Tufts as we know it in Canada. Because the services are amost completely free to the patient, the rates paid to medical professionals are lower than in the US. That's why there are fewer medical professionals working in Canada and why there are long waits in ER's and for procedures.

Comparing MA to Canada for health care is like apples and bananas.

[Redsoxticket]

There are doctors graduating from US colleges, US universities and the US medical schools by the thousands each year.
I doubt there will be any significant wait times. The reason for the increase in wait times is that not all good doctors want to be part of commonwealth care but that could change the competition among doctors increase.
There are more hockey players then doctors in Canada that is the reason for long waits.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

There are doctors graduating from US colleges, US universities and the US medical schools by the thousands each year.
I doubt there will be any significant wait times. The reason for the increase in wait times is that not all good doctors want to be part of commonwealth care but that could change the competition among doctors increase.
There are more hockey players then doctors in Canada that is the reason for long waits.
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We are facing a severe Primary Care Physician shortage (40,000 to 150,000 shortage within the next 10-15 years). Do a little research on it and I think you will find it to be well recognized across the board as an issue. More people to cover and less doctors result in longer wait times.

As for more Hockey players in Canada than Physicians, that to use your term is a "weak" statment………………….from a profession standpoint, there are more Doctors in Canada than professional hockey players

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Piscator

We are facing a severe Primary Care Physician shortage (40,000 to 150,000 shortage within the next 10-15 years). Do a little research on it and I think you will find it to be well recognized across the board as an issue. More people to cover and less doctors result in longer wait times.

I don't think the shortage of PCPs is going to be *that* big of an issue. With Nurse Practitioners and an increased utilization of the better-trained Physician Assistants, the vacuum is being filled. Universal Health Care, Medicare and Medicaid are all forcing M.D.'s more into a specialist role.

A single M.D. in a Primary Care office can easily oversee 3-5 NPs or PAs and be able to handle far more patients with practically no decrease in quality of care. The privately owned PCP offices saw this a long time ago. They are doing exactly the above, employing 2-3 NPs or PAs, consulting with them on care and taking any special cases on direct. NPs and PAs can do the more redundant and time-consuming physicals, while the M.D. can see more complex cases.

The nice thing about NPs and PAs is that their salary (ie. "cost") is 20-40% less than an M.D. This is the kind of stuff that should have been addressed in "heath care reform" - lower cost options that don't significantly sacrifice care.

Originally Posted by fishbones

That's why there are fewer medical professionals working in Canada and why there are long waits in ER's and for procedures.

Last I checked, the number of doctors per 1000ppl in Canada is not that far off from the US. On that thought... just looked it up again:
"In the U.S, there were 2.4 doctors per 1,000 people in 2005; in Canada, there were 2.2.[82] Some doctors leave Canada to pursue career goals or higher pay in the U.S., though significant numbers of physicians from countries such as India, Pakistan and South Africa immigrate to practice in Canada. Many Canadian physicians and new medical graduates also go to the U.S. for post-graduate training in medical residencies. As it is a much larger market, new and cutting-edge sub-specialties are more widely available in the U.S. as opposed to Canada. However, statistics published in 2005 by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI), show that, for the first time since 1969 (the period for which data are available), more physicians returned to Canada than moved abroad.[83]"

The data is definitely somewhat dated, but shows that Canadian doctors aren't running to the US thus causing a large void of providers.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Last I checked, the number of doctors per 1000ppl in Canada is not that far off from the US. On that thought... just looked it up again:
"In the U.S, there were 2.4 doctors per 1,000 people in 2005; in Canada, there were 2.2.[82] Some doctors leave Canada to pursue career goals or higher pay in the U.S., though significant numbers of physicians from countries such as India, Pakistan and South Africa immigrate to practice in Canada. Many Canadian physicians and new medical graduates also go to the U.S. for post-graduate training in medical residencies. As it is a much larger market, new and cutting-edge sub-specialties are more widely available in the U.S. as opposed to Canada. However, statistics published in 2005 by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI), show that, for the first time since 1969 (the period for which data are available), more physicians returned to Canada than moved abroad.[83]"

The data is definitely somewhat dated, but shows that Canadian doctors aren't running to the US thus causing a large void of providers.

I know there are different sources for this data and they are probably all over the place, not sure if that came from wiki or not but the statistics numbers I found for 2009 were:
Canada Physicians per 1,000 = 1.61
US Physicians per 1,000 = 2.61

Physicians (per 1,000 people) - Health Nutrition and Population Statistics, Country Comparison, Nations Statistics

Canada physicians per capita - Wolfram|Alpha

Not sure what is valid.......

[Redsoxticket]

I don't know whether you don't comprehend what I wrote or it is me, probably me.
What I stated previously is that there is no comparison between Boston and Ontario medical care that is to say "weak" comparison.
If you add in the w- hores there are less doctors.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

I don't know whether you don't comprehend what I wrote or it is me, probably me.
What I stated previously is that there is no comparison between Boston and Ontario medical care that is to say "weak" comparison.
If you add in the w- hores there are less doctors.
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I agree that Boston medical care is one of the best in the world and agree that it is better than that of Ontario's. We have some of the top Schools right here and they do so much research and have a good supply of top doctors graduating each year. My point was that my friends Mom came to the states for medical care mainly to avoid the long wait times she would have had in Canada. You also said we would not have significant wait time for doctors and I disagree based on current trends and the projections that it will get worse.

Not sure what w-hores means but in 2009 there was approximately 70,000 doctors in Canada, with 22 guys per team, that would equal approximately 3,200 hockey teams (Pro, semi pro, etc) in Canada which is not the case.

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Do any of you even know what Mahealth is? Do any of you have an idea of what it covers?

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Saltys

Do any of you even know what Mahealth is? Do any of you have an idea of what it covers?

Covers pretty much everything, sounds better than my employers healthcare that I pay a lot for. This is a short list of what it covers.

inpatient and outpatient hospital services
doctor, nurse practitioner, nurse midwife, and clinic visits
pharmacy services
mental health and substance abuse services
audiologist services and hearing aids
vision care including eyeglasses and magnifying aids
chiropractor services
podiatrist services and orthotics
prosthetic services
abortion and family planning services
rehabilitation and therapy services (physical, occupational, speech/language)
speech and hearing services
renal dialysis
smoking cessation services
x-rays and laboratory work
durable medical equipment and supplies
oxygen and respiratory equipment
dental services including checkups, cleanings, fillings, dentures, and other approved services
ambulance and wheelchair van service

Eligibility:
To be eligible for MassHealth, you must live in Massachusetts, have low to medium income, and meet certain general eligibility requirements. Eligibility requirements differ depending on your age, family situation, work history, immigration status, and health care needs.

a family living with children under the age of 19 years
a pregnant woman with or without children
a Dept. of Mental Health client who has been out of work for a long time
a disabled person
an adult who is working for a qualified employer
a person who is HIV positive
a child under the age of 19 years
an adult caretaker relative living with children under 19 years of age when neither parent is living in the home
elderly (65 or older)
a woman with breast or cervical cancer
a person in need of long-term care
a young adult under age 21 who was in the care and custody of the Department of Children and Families (DCF/DSS) on his/her 18th birthday

[UserRemoved]

TOO BIG TO STOP? What a load of HORSE #^&#^&#^&#^&

Too big to stop? Obama's overhaul lumbers on - Yahoo! News

[UserRemoved]

Ok so that's what you THINK it does. Now ask people who are ON IT for what it's REALLY like. It ain't pretty.

Do you realize that you have to go to Boston ONLY for doctors visits?

For the record I missed qualifying for it by $600 LOUSY #^&#^&#^&#^&ING DOLLARS LAST YEAR.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Saltys

Ok so that's what you THINK it does. Now ask people who are ON IT for what it's REALLY like. It ain't pretty.

Do you realize that you have to go to Boston ONLY for doctors visits?

For the record I missed qualifying for it by $600 LOUSY #^&#^&#^&#^&ING DOLLARS LAST YEAR.

I pulled it from the Mass Resources site . I don't know if the above is 100% accurate or not but it's what was listed.

MassHealth: General Eligibility

http://www.massresources.org/pages.c...&DynamicID=563

I actually do know someone currently on Mass Health and their Doctor is NOT in Boston. You have to call Mass Health and THEY find you a doctor in your area but they have doctors all over the state that take it.

As for the $600, It can be argued that Mass Health could "de-motivate" people on the cusp to work/earn less so that they qualify. This is not directed at you so I don't want you to think I'm saying that about you but there is an argument that people within a certain $$ range might toss in the towel so they do not earn more than the required threshold in order to gain coverage. That in my eyes is a demotivator.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Saltys

Do you realize that you have to go to Boston ONLY for doctors visits?

I don't believe this for a second.