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Originally Posted by buckman

The same reason the Trevon Martin incident did have legs .
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Oh yes, the all powerful media. Amazing how they managed to snuff all that Internet evidence on right wing websites. Must have the NSA on their payroll.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You think we don't frack already???

A lot of tracking going on, a lot of drilling for oil as well. Some people just don't have a taste for observation...
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[justplugit]

The irony of it all, a Nobel Peace Prize winner starts a war that could
very well end all wars because there will be no one left to fight.

With a late poll showing 80% of those polled are against an attack,
if he were smart he'd call in a session of Congress and have it voted on.
But as the old saying goes, "Pride goeth before the fall."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

A lot of tracking going on, a lot of drilling for oil as well. Some people just don't have a taste for observation...
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he said "fracking" not "tracking"...makes the rest of your statement pretty funny doesn't it?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by justplugit

The irony of it all, a Nobel Peace Prize winner starts a war that could

or that this is a President who has either continued or taken to a whole new level nearly everything that he vilified and demonized his predecessor for doing during the course of his campaign for the office, this would simply be par for the course in terms or irony and hypocrisy with this guy don't know why we'd expect anything less(or more) at this point

[jonserfish]

Fock syria, fock Allah,..... We would be supporting terrorists. Spend our war budget on our vets and seniors!
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[Nebe]

My hunch is that Obama has no intentions of bombing Syria. Congres will say "no" and he gets off the "red line" hook.
Games... All games.
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

My hunch is that Obama has no intentions of bombing Syria. Congres will say "no" and he gets off the "red line" hook.
Games... All games.
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BINGO! His only political choice.

Best quote of the day, "Amature Hour". ( Krauthammer)

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Originally Posted by justplugit

BINGO! His only political choice.

Best quote of the day, "Amature Hour". ( Krauthammer)

Great stuff, calls amature hour then says he would have done basically the same thing.
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Great stuff, calls amature hour then says he would have done basically the same thing.
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Spence basically ???????
You neglected to say he said he wouldn't unless there was a
strategy and an end game plan.
LOL, Spence you becoming a Hawk ?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Great stuff, calls amature hour then says he would have done basically the same thing.
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he most certainly does not, he points out the many missteps and the ways in which he's painted himself into a corner resulting in "amature hour", he's very clear that he would NOT would have done "basically the same thing" and your statement bears no resemblance to the truth...nice try though not a hawk...a zombie

[Jim in CT]

Once we elected Obama, I thought his presence would be a rallying point for the reast of the world to get behind us, whereas Bush was a cowboy who didn't try to get international support. How is that working out? Are our allies indicating that they are willing to pitch in?

Obama can't get one right even by accident. How does it make us look, when Obama talks tough, then punts it to Congress, then goes golfing?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Once we elected Obama, I thought his presence would be a rallying point for the reast of the world to get behind us, whereas Bush was a cowboy who didn't try to get international support. How is that working out? Are our allies indicating that they are willing to pitch in?

Obama can't get one right even by accident. How does it make us look, when Obama talks tough, then punts it to Congress, then goes golfing?

It's all about making republicans look bad. Now he can say, the GOP doesn't care about Syrians being gassed . It's getting down right embarrassing
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's getting down right embarrassing
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It certainly is.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's all about making republicans look bad. Now he can say, the GOP doesn't care about Syrians being gassed . It's getting down right embarrassing
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Actually the GOP is this fool's biggest backer right now.

Think about this:We have a president in so far above his head with this "red-line" sh!t that he's actually allying himself with McCain and Beohner to save any credibility he has left.All the while we have Pelosi calling it "humanities line" and an entire Congress unsure of itself and the decisions it can make all because of political ambition.

Wake up ladies.......this guy could put us in a place we all don't need to be so that he doesn't look like a pussy.

[Nebe]

Agreed basswipe. This is bad. I bet Kerry wants to run for president next and this is his chance to take the stage for some chest thumping.
Meanwhile, radioactive water is flooding I to the pacific from Fukushima. Why don't we focus on that?? That seems more important to me. The people of Syria can fight their own battle. Perpetual war does not mean perpetual peace.
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[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Agreed basswipe. This is bad. I bet Kerry wants to run for president next and this is his chance to take the stage for some chest thumping.
Meanwhile, radioactive water is flooding I to the pacific from Fukushima. Why don't we focus on that?? That seems more important to me. The people of Syria can fight their own battle. Perpetual war does not mean perpetual peace.
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And this radioactive will stay around as long as the middle east has been fighting each other. Thousands of years! Go green! Clean up the plastic in the Pacific.
Let them kill each other, why is it our problem again?

[Raven]

we should be exporting something to make them as passive as O and O.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Actually the GOP is this fool's biggest backer right now.

Think about this:We have a president in so far above his head with this "red-line" sh!t that he's actually allying himself with McCain and Beohner to save any credibility he has left.All the while we have Pelosi calling it "humanities line" and an entire Congress unsure of itself and the decisions it can make all because of political ambition.

Wake up ladies.......this guy could put us in a place we all don't need to be so that he doesn't look like a pussy.

I don't consider Beohner or McCain mainstream GOP by any stretch. I don't think the resolution will pass . After yesterday's hearings...holy sheet, is our leadership a mess
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[justplugit]

[QUOTE=justplugit;1012055]Hope your right Buck, but politicians make strange bed fellows.
I admire Mc Cain for his bravery and military service and tough stances,
one of the main reasons I voted for him, and he certainly wouldn't have made a worldwide tour putting America down and whispering in Putin's ear.
That being said I don't see him as a military strategist and don't agree with
his wanting to use force in this instance.
If O was so concerned about his red line , he should have started immediately buildinga contingency plan, a coalition and a strategy in place including an end plan.
As usual, a day late and a dollar short, what else is new?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Hope your right Buck, but politicians make strange bed fellows.
I admire Mc Cain for his bravery and military service and tough stances.
One of the main reasons I voted for him, and he certainly wouldn't have made a worldwide tour putting America down and whispering in Putin's ear.
That being said I don't see him as a military strategist and don't agree with
his wanting to use force in this instance.
If O was so concerned about his red line , he should have started immediately building
a contingency plan, build a coalition and a strategy in place including an end plan.
As usual, a day late and a dollar short.

He made and address on the worlds stage and basically said the world, not he, drew the red line and then proceeded to say that there really wasn't an emanate threat to the US. Thereby admitting he had to ask for a congressional resolution . What a tool bag !
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[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

If O was so concerned about his red line , he should have started immediately buildinga contingency plan, a coalition and a strategy in place including an end plan.
As usual, a day late and a dollar short, what else is new?

Building a coalition implies you're going to take action. Unless you plan to invade preemptive a public facing coalition does nothing.

The tough talk is because you assume they're not going to think they can get away with it.

Not attacking right away and working to build consensus takes a lot more resolve than simply pushing the button.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Building a coalition implies you're going to take action. Unless you plan to invade preemptive a public facing coalition does nothing.

The tough talk is because you assume they're not going to think they can get away with it.

Not attacking right away and working to build consensus takes a lot more resolve than simply pushing the button.

-spence

He is not going to build any consensus! Keep dreaming.
Every time he opens mouth we lose more credibility . He's no George Bush that's for sure
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

He's no George Bush that's for sure
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What a relief.
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[Raven]

on George bushes Last speech he just couldn't wait to say PHEW!
because he knew it was his last...he was after all BURNT OUT

Barry has already reached that phase of his presidency

[buckman]

Did I hear that right???? Markey voted "present "
That's hilarious
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Building a coalition implies you're going to take action. Unless you plan to invade preemptive a public facing coalition does nothing.



Not attacking right away and working to build consensus takes a lot more resolve than simply pushing the button.

-spence

Isn't throwing down a red line mean you plan to take action "IF". A true leader, after making a red line statement, would have started to find the countries who would back him and how far they were willing to go.

Your second quote is just exactly what O didn't do. It was an immediate reaction
to use missiles launched from our ships, targets announced and a statement that he was willing to go it alone. Now he announces that it wasn't his red line but the world's red line. I must not of had my hearing aide on ?????

[buckman]

I'm thinking if we are going to send a message , lets jut bomb Iran's nuclear facilities and get it over with. That red lines going to be crossed soon.
Message sent to Syria, Iran and that nutty Nprth Korean.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't consider Beohner or McCain mainstream GOP by any stretch. I don't think the resolution will pass . After yesterday's hearings...holy sheet, is our leadership a mess
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You truly believe Paul and Cruz are the mainstream then?

I'm very torn on this issue.
On one hand, we should stay the F out of the middle east. on the other, they used chemical weapons, and that's a line that can't be crossed without repercussions... I really can't decide where I stand on this one...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You truly believe Paul and Cruz are the mainstream then?

I'm very torn on this issue.
On one hand, we should stay the F out of the middle east. on the other, they used chemical weapons, and that's a line that can't be crossed without repercussions... I really can't decide where I stand on this one...

They used them before this time and Iraq did too. Hate to see world war 3 started over this . Then what? He lines up 1k people and machine guns them. So we only go in because of the means by which they were killed?
And yes , I do believe the latter two do have more in common with conservative believes .
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