Support of license - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

beachwalker · 06-25-2003, 02:34 PM

Scotch,

Yes, those are some simliar thoughts myself.
I guess the big issue is that there is no real way to separate between Bass fishing and fishing in general.
We would be hoping for Bass management and recieving Bluefish, etc. management at the same time. Or so we would hope. JohnR is right that it is next to impossible to get the reps to leave money alone that is specifically earmarked for one thing. They will attach riders to bills and do some sneaky move to open up funds from this account to help pay another acccount by adding it to a bill that the majority wants,.

It is a bullshiite practice but as old as the hills. We need a fisherman rep to be the watchdog. Introduce further efforts to help DEM and work from there.

How about a recreational license JUST for Bass ?

Wouldn't that be something ?

Sweetieface · 06-25-2003, 03:00 PM

No,
I think a license has a better chance than I do of walking any runway other than Logan Airport's.

Nice new avatar. Your dog catches bigger fish than I do!

beachwalker · 06-25-2003, 03:13 PM

Sweetie,

That's Keyser the Jack Russell. He is doing the typical dog thing and sniffing the fishes butt.

Is that what dogfish do ?

Don't worry about the runway, that is for the poseur's. Be a do'er.
Go catch some fish. Those types would think fishing is, well, "icky".

It's a good thing. There would be a lot of pressure on fishing if they showed up.

And I bet we would put our poles down ( uh oh, here I go.....) and watch them fish.

jugstah · 06-25-2003, 03:25 PM

Sweetieface, so far YOU are a supermodel on striped-bass.com

And as far as I'm concerned, I'm all for management of our fishery and more law enforcement, but for the very reason that beachwalker and johnr mentions, the reps will only end up siphoning all that money to pay off other programs they view as more important and that specifically is why I'm against any saltwater fishing license.

Notaro · 06-25-2003, 05:13 PM

I'm too poor to pay a saltwater fishing license. I don't give a damn if the reps want to tax the freshwater license. I have no concerns for them. Saltwater fishing is NE pasttime.

beachwalker · 06-25-2003, 05:25 PM

Hey Notaro,

How are you? I see they worked you over pretty hard at the other thread. You OK ? I am glad I never responded to that thread. My e-mail would be stacked !

I hear you about the expense but can I ask you how much $ you have (approximately) tied up in gear ?

I am not casing your house for the big heist. I feel that the potential cost of the license is peanuts compared to the rules it could impose, harm/help it could provide with regards to return on investment.
Scotch realizes the insignificance of an $ 18 or 20 fee. It ain't the price. It is what you get for it.

That is what I am trying to get info on here. What should we do if we ever got to that point.
What kind of rules would we WANT to see.

What do people think of a Bass license as opposed to a fishing license ?
The commercial guys have one. It is partly in place to monitor their doings.
Our end is all estimates with no solid numbers.

Well ?

Notaro · 06-25-2003, 06:26 PM

i haven't found the job, beachwalker. the thing is that i feel that NE saltwater fishing shouldn't be licensed to fish, you know? and also it would be pain in the butt for me to travel from newton, ma to ri for saltwater fishing. It's kinda feel like traditional to me. and also it takes away the joy from me.

yes, they were making fun at my expense

... the commerical guys need a license to harvest and market their goods like a bartner needs a license to bartend and sell liqueors, right?

beachwalker · 06-25-2003, 09:28 PM

Uh, yeah Joe

jugstah · 06-26-2003, 06:51 AM

After some interesting discussions from our fellow fishermen on the beach last night, I'm now inclined to support the idea of a saltwater fishing license.

As it is, one of them asked me... "What would you like, more taxes for everyone, or maybe a yearly fee for fishing, and the extra money that can also be gotten from tourists coming to Massachusetts to go fishing?"

After some pause on the subject, I've come around to supporting the idea. I'd rather not see taxes go up, but if there is a choice between a larger chunk of taxes taken out of our paychecks or a simple yearly fee for fishing, I'd opt for the latter.

And also, we need a fiscal watchdog for DEM. Why is it they're always driving around in brand new trucks? I'm amazed that they're using a F350 Superduty just for law enforcement when maybe just a car or a F150 will do?

beachwalker · 06-26-2003, 07:08 AM

Jugstah,

I agree with you about the vehicles. It's absurd the cash that they waste on something that it going to corrode away to nothing.
At Great Point, on Nantucket, they use F150's because that is what they can afford (to let rust !)

Let's get more feedback from others about potential licenses or passes.

What do you think about a specific Bass/weakfish only license ?

There are a lot of potential scenarios that need to be understood before things can be considered. We don't want to anger anyone right now. This is just research. Not a bill to introduce a license.

Have a cool (if you can ) day. It was 73 for a high out here yesterday. I saw the mainland temps. You guys are a bit warm.

I fished last night and had a blast with my small outfit and 25-32" fish. The water is still cool and the fish are hungry. I am going out for a late one tonight.

Tight lines

jugstah · 06-26-2003, 07:43 AM

specific licenses for specific fish? nah, let's just make it so that the license allows you to fish for anything... why make law enforcement tougher?

beachwalker · 06-26-2003, 07:58 AM

Check.

Just a thought.

jchar · 06-26-2003, 03:29 PM

Hi everyone,
I don't post much, because I don't get to fish enough to say anything worthwhile, but thought I'd jump in on this one. This quote from the providence journal says the money would already be earmarked for the state's general fund. In my opinion, the license would be of absoulutely positively no benefit to anyone on this board. Here's the quote:
"But the proposal is drawing criticism from more than just recreational fishermen. The director of the state Department of Environmental Management, Jan Reitsma, has warned budget writers that the move runs counter to both the governor and department's positions.

Reitsma says one key problem is that the money raised would go into the state's general fund, rather than a dedicated account to pay for fishing habitat improvements, as freshwater license fees do. "It may be a good thing if it can pay for better fisheries management," Reitsma says, "but we're not going to support it if it's going elsewhere."

This is from the director of the DEM

Notaro · 06-26-2003, 09:47 PM

But I still don't support the ideas of saltwater fishing license.

beachwalker · 06-26-2003, 11:04 PM

Jchar,
I was just trying to get feedback on the license issue. NOT supporting Rhode Islands effort.

We asked some questions of John and he seems to be answering some of it on another post. See "Saltwater license".

I guess one has to search around for the answer on these threads sometimes.

John must have tired of my rhetoric.

I'll let the big boys handle it.

Good luck all