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[Jim in CT]

Planned Parenthood was founded by a fascist racist named Margaret Sanger, who was committed to the extermination of blacks. That is irrefutable fact. Some of her lovely quotes can be seen here.

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Hilary Clinton has said she admires Margaret Sanger. Nice.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...y_her_prai.asp

A quote from Hilary upon receiving the Margaret Sanger award..."I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision "

You cannot make that up. And Clinton, if nominated, will receive 90% of the black vote.

From the article, Sanger (again, who Hilary admires enormously) aid this about blacks..."...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Yes, very admirable, isn't it?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Planned Parenthood was founded by a fascist racist named Margaret Sanger, who was committed to the extermination of blacks. That is irrefutable fact. Some of her lovely quotes can be seen here.

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Hilary Clinton has said she admires Margaret Sanger. Nice.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...y_her_prai.asp

A quote from Hilary upon receiving the Margaret Sanger award..."I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision "

You cannot make that up. And Clinton, if nominated, will receive 90% of the black vote.

From the article, Sanger (again, who Hilary admires enormously) aid this about blacks..."...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Yes, very admirable, isn't it?

Jim, if you'd do just a teeny bit of checking your sources you'd quickly realize just how bad they are.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, if you'd do just a teeny bit of checking your sources you'd quickly realize just how bad they are.

How about once, instead of lobbing a vague insult and scuttling off, you tell me where I'm wrong. I'll be blunt to make it clear for you. Do you deny Margaret Sanger was a loathsome racist who hated blacks? Do you have any evidence to suggest that she did not say the things that are attributed to her in the link I provided? I have never, not once, herd anyone deny she was a racist. My hunch is that because Hilary said she admired her, you need to make sure there's nothing improper, even if it means denying irrefutable fact.

How come you won't answer my question about Hilary lying about the sniper attack?

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How about once, instead of lobbing a vague insult and scuttling off, you tell me where I'm wrong. I'll be blunt to make it clear for you. Do you deny Margaret Sanger was a loathsome racist who hated blacks? Do you have any evidence to suggest that she did not say the things that are attributed to her in the link I provided? I have never, not once, herd anyone deny she was a racist. My hunch is that because Hilary said she admired her, you need to make sure there's nothing improper, even if it means denying irrefutable fact.

If you'd cozy up to the google you'd quickly see most of those quotes aren't hers or are taken out of context. She did have an odd relationship with the eugenics crowd at one time, but that doesn't discount the groundbreaking work she did for women.

How come you won't answer my question about Hilary lying about the sniper attack?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you'd cozy up to the google you'd quickly see most of those quotes aren't hers or are taken out of context. She did have an odd relationship with the eugenics crowd at one time, but that doesn't discount the groundbreaking work she did for women.

"most of those quotes aren't hers or are taken out of context"

Out of curiosity, in what context are any of those quotes not racist?

"that doesn't discount the groundbreaking work she did for women."

Hitler really did a lot to improve the economy in Germany. We judge someone based on everything they do, not just the good stuff.

Your refusal to concede Hilary lied, tells us all we need to know, Spence. Your conscious mind will not allow you to criticize her, you just can't.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If you'd cozy up to the google you'd quickly see most of those quotes aren't hers or are taken out of context. She did have an odd relationship with the eugenics crowd at one time, but that doesn't discount the groundbreaking work she did for women.

if you cozy up to google you'll find she was a detestable human being...a Progressive and eugenist


these quotes are hers...hard to take them out of context...and she was prolific with her opinions so it's not hard to pin her down

In her 1922 book The Pivot of Civilization, Sanger wrote: The lack of balance between the birth-rate of the “unfit” and the “fit” [is] admittedly the greatest present menace to the civilization. . . . The example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit, and therefore less fertile, parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem to-day is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.

Sanger again: Modern studies indicate that insanity, epilepsy, criminality, prostitution, pauperism, and mental defect, are all organically bound up together and that the least intelligent and the thoroughly degenerate classes in every community are the most prolific. Feeble-mindedness in one generation becomes pauperism or insanity in the next. There is every indication that feeble-mindedness in its protean forms is on the increase, that it has leaped the barriers, and that there is truly, as some of the scientific eugenists [sic] have pointed out, a feeble-minded peril to future generations – unless the feeble-minded are prevented from reproducing their kind. To meet this emergency is the immediate and peremptory duty of every State and of all communities.

[Nebe]

Consider that every political front runner trying to get elected lies. Campaign promises that are never met will equate to a lie.
Hillary lied, but I'm sure you can track every candidate down to a few lies.

Lies are really convenient to use agianst someone you don't like, but you should be aware of those who you do like and their lies as well
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Consider that every political front runner trying to get elected lies. Campaign promises that are never met will equate to a lie.
Hillary lied, but I'm sure you can track every candidate down to a few lies.

Lies are really convenient to use agianst someone you don't like, but you should be aware of those who you do like and their lies as well
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Good point, lies are wrong on both sides.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Good point, lies are wrong on both sides.

Yes, it is a good point. But I couldn't vote for someone who lied to make themselves look to improve their image, as Hillary did, anymore then I could vote for someone who lied about serving the military in fire fights when they were sitting at a desk some place safe.

[Sea Dangles]

Jim is a weird dude whose extremism has probably put him on more than one watch list. He is passionate, but yet screams for pity. My guess is he was picked on in school. Good Luck Jim, I hope to hug you some day if Detbutch lets me. I feel you could really need it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jim is a weird dude whose extremism has probably put him on more than one watch list. He is passionate, but yet screams for pity. My guess is he was picked on in school. I hope to hug you some day if Detbutch lets me. I feel you could really need it.
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"Jim is a weird dude "

I'm a Catholic and a marine and an actuary, who asked you to support your accusation that I am an American Taliban. Instead of admitting the absurdity of your accusation, you say I'm weird that I didn't accept your slander.

"extremism"

I love everyone and think life is too sacred to be snuffed out because it's convenient. If that's extremist to you, then maybe one of us is weird.

"screams for pity"

No, clobbering you in a discussion isn't the same as a cry for help.

"guess is he was picked on in school"

Wrong as usual. There was one bully in 8th grade though...wonder what happened to him.

I've had nothing but good luck. I think everyone deserves to be as lucky as I have been.

[Sea Dangles]

Jim, you are a liar. This post proves it. Especially the weird part. I really want to stick my tongue down your throat and hug you til you pee yourself.
Seriously Jim, you strike me as a John Earl type. He was another friendly Catholic priest with good intentions like yours and the rest of your Army of God brethren. They also love everyone. Except those who disagree with them. I am sure he is normal in your world. Keep clobbering slugger,especially 8th graders.
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[scottw]

I think of liars as those who routinely, purposefully and knowingly, confidently misrepresent the truth....they are emboldened by the fact that they are either unchallenged or supported and excused by minions who prefer their comfortable lies over the uncomfortable truth and they have the uncanny ability to dismiss anything that disagrees with their worldview....this would include much of the political class that Eben mentioned as we seem to have allowed this to be come acceptable behaviour from those that we elect as well as many in the media and elsewhere.

[Jackbass]

This argument/thread has jumped off the tracks. All it has proven is what we already knew. Spence is an apologist, Eben is conflicted and Jim is trying to convert people.

Get this in your heads Hilary will not be prosecuted she will probably be the Dem Nominee for president. She is divisive and she has won the money vote thus far. get used to it. The presidential election is akin to the WWE pure entertainment.
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[Nebe]

Bernie sanders will be the DEM nominee
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[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bernie sanders will be the DEM nominee
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Never going to happen the DNC recognizes more than we do that while people in our area of the country and the left coast can look past the "socialist" label most of the states that don't touch salt water will not be able to see past that. If he runs independent he will only pull votes from the nominated candidate that will be Clinton. She is a criminal but they all are
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bernie sanders will be the DEM nominee
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I'll vote for Bernie if he promises to make all colleges and universities free, I have three that need to go soon and I want to raise taxes on Spence to pay for it....that wasn't a personal attack was it?

[Nebe]

We shall see...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We shall see...
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I am fascinated to see how that's going to play out. Hilary is still polling ahead of Bernie, I believe, in most places (not New Hampshire, but that's his backyard).

If it looks like Bernie is a real threat, then someone else will run - Biden, Gore, or Kerry. I don't think the DNC can let it be Bernie Sanders, that might be the best thing that could happen to the GOP.

[Nebe]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7937906
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[JohnR]

Keep this thread for your derailment and roll back the personal attacks

[spence]

I don't think it's that important that Bernie actually gets the nomination. What the Dems need now are rational voices that set the tone for the election...even with high negatives Hillary will still have a good shot at winning if the debate is about issues and not her.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's that important that Bernie actually gets the nomination. What the Dems need now are rational voices that set the tone for the election...even with high negatives Hillary will still have a good shot at winning if the debate is about issues and not her.

It will always be about Hillary, as she has character faults and
can't be trusted. One current pole states 57% of those polled
don't trust her; She is just a tiring old Politician.
The country is looking for a new direction.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by justplugit

It will always be about Hillary, as she has character faults and
can't be trusted. One current pole states 57% of those polled
don't trust her; She is just a tiring old Politician.
The country is looking for a new direction.

Hey you can always get behind the new guy who's shining moment was reciting green eggs and ham...I mean that is some brilliant thinking!
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Hey you can always get behind the new guy who's shining moment was reciting green eggs and ham...I mean that is some brilliant thinking!
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Wasn't fooled by the "new guy" Obama or his Sheeple from day one and have a long way to go before a decision in 2016.

I don't know all the answers, still learning, but know trust worthiness will be high on the list of my choice.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's that important that Bernie actually gets the nomination. What the Dems need now are rational voices that set the tone for the election...even with high negatives anyone would still have a good shot at winning if the debate is about issues and not him, her.

fixed it for "context"....i hope we have not sunk this low as a country

we don't elect issues, we elect people, electing a dirtbag and/or liar because they tell you that they support your issue puts a dirtbag and/or liar in a place of power to be a dirtbag and liar on a greater scale....that is stupid....you have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think that Hillary has any business being anywhere near the Whitehouse at this point

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

....you have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think that Hillary has any business being anywhere near the Whitehouse at this point

Funny, she's beating nearly every GOP contender in the Iowa polls which isn't exactly liberal territory.

I guess those Iowans must be pretty deaf, dumb and blind.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Funny, she's beating nearly every GOP contender in the Iowa polls which isn't exactly liberal territory.

I guess those Iowans must be pretty deaf, dumb and blind.

Just comes to show what a train wreck the GOP has become.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just comes to show what a train wreck the GOP has become.
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you've got more than a dozen choices and some "impressive resumes" in the field...still split many ways whereas the dems have essentially 2 and one should be in jail...

that she still polls well anywhere and that some revel in the fact that she does, just comes to show what a remarkably sad state our nation is in....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just comes to show what a train wreck the GOP has become.
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Nebe, have you forgotten what happened 9 months ago? November 2014 ring a bell? Was that day a "train wreck" for the GOP? Who controls most of the state legislatures and governorships? Who controls both houses of Congress? When did the GOP become this train wreck? Like them or not, they clobbered the Dems last November.

Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, are train wrecks? I don't see it. According to the Quinnipiac University poll, neither do the people of Iowa.