Roy Moore / Al Franken

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera.

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this is not true...and that's odd grammar

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....

most of theses women see their is safety in Numbers less stigma and easy to attack 1 women but when multiple women come out on 1 person with the same story thats a game changer

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

You forcibly kissed me without my consent,(thats an issues)
grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it,( never touched her breast or even the body armor see photo ) knowing I would see it later ( seem shes had the photo since 2006 ) , and be ashamed.(thats why he took it? to shame her ? by that photo? shes not ashamed of her other phots across the internet?

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

I think he has another accuser ....probably more as time goes on?...isn't that how this goes now?..look at Spacey

regarding Moore....don't know why anyone, particularly on the left, would be at all surprised...isn't the condescending Northeast Liberal and Hollywood frequent caricaturization of southerners as hayseed hick goobers who date and molest young women, particularly relatives?...this should just confirm their beliefs....

on the other hand...when the high minded, pontificating, highly evolved, condescending Northeast Liberal/Hollywood types who are generally "BETTER PEOPLE" engage in this abhorrent behavior....well...what are we to think?...though we know this has been the norm for a LONG time

[PaulS]

Anita Hill was a reluctant Witness, totally credible and got hammered. Trump was attacked just as much because they did not like him for his politics. He still won the Republican primaries when they had conservatives, moderates, women, African-Americans etc.etc there was a lot of choices other than Trump and he still got millions and millions of votes. Look at the evangelicals defending moore.
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[wdmso]

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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doubt it....

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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one is a democrat that will probably run for president now ...that's the only difference

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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Both politicians are accused of forcing themselves upon women, without consent. True or false?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

Of course it’s political, why else would Trump blast Franken and say nothing about Moore. From what I’ve read Franken just stepped a bit over the line, while Moore seems to be almost a border line sex offender; but he is from the south where maybe he feels if my pappy could why not me.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?

[BigBo]

And now George H.W.
I don't condone it on either side of the political spectrum, but found this one somewhat comical. It probably came about due to senility/dimentia? Does he even know he's doing something wrong?
There are some women accusers I find comical as well.

And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by BigBo

And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me.

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

As I, yours.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?

No not at all. But that's nothat happen they are not the same thing

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester
To consider theses the same thing is not reality

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by BigBo

John, my post about Barry was in jest.
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I know ; ) - Some don't do it in jest - I don't like some of the things she has said in the past

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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convicted of anything.......

thats not your standard when it was Obama or Hilliary.. weinstein or spacey

but now with Moore a likely pedophile with 8 accusers you use the hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

[Nebe]

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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Huh, he did seem to evenly apply to both

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh, he did seem to evenly apply to both

I’m certain that if al Frankenstein was not dragged into the #meetoo witch hunt, this thread never would have been made.
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[Got Stripers]

What stories do you think the Russians are cooking up watching this all unfold, cyber warfare is going to be a real challenge moving forward. They will see this outrage and use it to post smear fake news if they can get by (hopefully) a more diligent online community about who to sell ads to.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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If you bothered to read the title of the thread, you'd see I am attacking a republican and a democrat. What is it about liberalism, exactly, that so often requires its adherents, to abandon intellectual honesty?

I've also made no secret how I feel about Trump. Scumbag.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you bothered to read the title of the thread, you'd see I am attacking a republican and a democrat. What is it about liberalism, exactly, that so often requires its adherents, to abandon intellectual honesty?
You mentioned 2 Dem. presidents in your 1st post. So what is it about Conservatism that so often requires its adherents to abandon intellectual honest?
I've also made no secret how I feel about Trump. Scumbag.

NM

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NM

"You mentioned 2 Dem. presidents in your 1st post"

Ted Kennedy killed somebody and used his money to avoid responsibility, and grew in popularity among the left.

Bill Clinton had an affair in the Oval Office, looked the public in the eye, and lied about it. His wife went on national TV and slut-shamed his victims. The 2 of them, as of last week, were enormously popular with liberals.

Trump is despised by many, many influential republicans. That's the difference between my side and your side. It is a glaring difference. I am proud of that difference.

[BigBo]

John, my post about Barry was in jest.
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[PaulS]

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Paul, there's absolutely nothing in Christianity, that encourages teen sex, teen marriage, or divorce. Nothing. Some red states, particularly in the deep south, have destructive cultural issues, no doubt. Same thing in our cities. It's caused by a culture of poverty, it has nothing to do with religion. I'm not saying religious people are perfect, far from it. But if you take the 10 commandments seriously, it will reduce the likelihood that you engage in that behavior.

I see that the Times piece didn't quote its own study (which we have discussed) which showed that conservatives give a lot more to charity than liberals.

It's funny that liberals love to claim that Republicans only care about the rich, yet so many poor places (very poor places in the south) are so conservative.