Half-beast Rachael Maddow said it would take "weeks" for Navy hospital ships to help

[wdmso]

Dont worry My pillow guy is on the job and Fox is in full blown defend Trump mode

Mainstream media mocks White House appearance of 'My Pillow Guy' Mike Lindell despite contribution to virus fight

I doubt his efforts were what was being mocked, they are honorable. ,,but his bending of the knee on national television was the reason his appearance was mocked and trumps desire for him to run as Gov of Minnesota , after is recent issue with the sitting governor did not go un noticed




God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on," the pro-Trump businessman said. "God had been taken out of our schools and lives, a nation had turned its back on God. I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word. Read our Bible and spend time with our families."With our great president, vice president and this administration and all the great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that’s stronger and safer than ever.”




But Rachel is so horrible for suggesting to Trump Stop with the arbitrary deadlines

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Dont worry My pillow guy is on the job and Fox is in full blown defend Trump mode

Mainstream media mocks White House appearance of 'My Pillow Guy' Mike Lindell despite contribution to virus fight

I doubt his efforts were what was being mocked, they are honorable. ,,but his bending of the knee on national television was the reason his appearance was mocked and trumps desire for him to run as Gov of Minnesota , after is recent issue with the sitting governor did not go un noticed


God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on," the pro-Trump businessman said. "God had been taken out of our schools and lives, a nation had turned its back on God. I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word. Read our Bible and spend time with our families."With our great president, vice president and this administration and all the great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that’s stronger and safer than ever.”


But Rachel is so horrible for suggesting to Trump Stop with the arbitrary deadlines

"I doubt his efforts were what was being mocked"

Agreed.

"his bending of the knee on national television was the reason"

Why? Let's talk about that for a second. Why is that a reason for mockery? For tens of millions of Americans, faith is one of the most important things in their lives, so why do those who don't feel that why, need to mock those who do?

Every speck of data shows that people of faith identify as being happier, being more charitable, get divorced less often, commit less crime. Maybe instead of mocking faith non stop, your side should be asking, why does faith motivate people to do so much good? And why would a major political party be doing everything it can, to turn people away from faith?

"But Rachel is so horrible for suggesting to Trump Stop with the arbitrary deadlines"

No one said that. She is horrible for suggesting nightly, that bigotry is the only reason why anyone can disagree with her on anything.

Is it crazy for the My Pillow guy to feel like Obama attacked faith? Obama tried to force Christian business owners to provide elective abortions to employees, he was successfully sued multiple times for trampling on the religious freedoms of christians. That happened.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I doubt his efforts were what was being mocked"

Agreed.

"his bending of the knee on national television was the reason"

Why? Let's talk about that for a second. Why is that a reason for mockery? For tens of millions of Americans, faith is one of the most important things in their lives, so why do those who don't feel that why, need to mock those who do?

Every speck of data shows that people of faith identify as being happier, being more charitable, get divorced less often, commit less crime. Maybe instead of mocking faith non stop, your side should be asking, why does faith motivate people to do so much good? And why would a major political party be doing everything it can, to turn people away from faith?

"But Rachel is so horrible for suggesting to Trump Stop with the arbitrary deadlines"

No one said that. She is horrible for suggesting nightly, that bigotry is the only reason why anyone can disagree with her on anything.

Is it crazy for the My Pillow guy to feel like Obama attacked faith? Obama tried to force Christian business owners to provide elective abortions to employees, he was successfully sued multiple times for trampling on the religious freedoms of christians. That happened.

I have no issue with people of faith , I do take issue with people some how twisting trumps election as providence and he is Gods chosen one..

And the Michigan angle a bit inappropriate

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I have no issue with people of faith , I do take issue with people some how twisting trumps election as providence and he is Gods chosen one..

And the Michigan angle a bit inappropriate

Calling Trump the chosen one is a stretch all right. BUt from the perspective of the faithful, he was preferable to the alternative.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Calling Trump the chosen one is a stretch all right. BUt from the perspective of the faithful, he was preferable to the alternative.

Not true. My mom is an Evangelical and finds it hard to fathom that a Christian would vote for him. He is the antithesis of a Christian in her view and she voted for Republicans for most of her life. I have many Evangelical friends from home in central PA who feel the same way. There are tens of millions of faithful who find him vile and didn't vote for him. He may pander to a certain sect of faithful but you don't have the authority to give "the perspective of the faithful." Given your recent vile comments in here though I can see why you think that.
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[Jim in CT]

and when trump said the ship would be in NYC this week, Maddow called that “nonsense.”.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and when trump said the ship would be in NYC this week, Maddow called that “nonsense.”.
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Let the hate flow through your veins. Inhale... exhale....
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and when trump said the ship would be in NYC this week, Maddow called that “nonsense.”.
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No he said it would be there last week. They were both wrong. So was the Navy. Who gives a bleep?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

No he said it would be there last week. They were both wrong. So was the Navy. Who gives a bleep?
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I don't even know what week it is anymore

[scottw]

Mr Pillow should invent a new pillow with an absorbent case that the left can cry into for the next four years
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[Sea Dangles]

Thanks for sharing your personal perspective Zimmy but I think you are mistaken.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks for sharing your personal perspective Zimmy but I think you are mistaken.
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Mistaken bout which part? That Jim doesn't have the authority to speak for "the faithful?" That I have a mom? 10's of millions of faithful voted against Trump? I bet you are thinking that he meant a majority of the faithful, which would be true.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Mistaken bout which part? That Jim doesn't have the authority to speak for "the faithful?" That I have a mom? 10's of millions of faithful voted against Trump? I bet you are thinking that he meant a majority of the faithful, which would be true.

i didn’t speak for the faithful. i said they voted for trump. because they did. you’re denying that evangelicals went for trump? on what basis would they vote for Hilary?

i’m really in your head, huh? take a breath and relax.

I never claimed your mom voted for him, so i can’t imagine what you thought you were referring to.

I said the faithful voted for trump. did you really interpret that as my saying that 100% voted for him with no exceptions?

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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks for sharing your personal perspective Zimmy but I think you are mistaken.
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About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

If 50% of Catholics voted, and 60% voted for Trump (being conservative I think, might be lower), that is 14 million right there.....

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

In this context I believe Zimmy meant religious,but Icant be sure.
To vote for a candidate does not necessarily indicate one is voting “against” another. Perhaps a link would provide more clarity rather than opinion and conjecture. A thoughtful response regardless of loosely gathered thoughts and biased research which typically flows from the left.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

In this context I believe Zimmy meant religious,but Icant be sure.
To vote for a candidate does not necessarily indicate one is voting “against” another. Perhaps a link would provide more clarity rather than opinion and conjecture. A thoughtful response regardless of loosely gathered thoughts and biased research which typically flows from the left.
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In the article they acknowledge the 80% of white born again evangelicals voted for trump,.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

If 50% of Catholics voted, and 60% voted for Trump (being conservative I think, might be lower), that is 14 million right there.....

i think as you stated, you were being generous with catholics for trump.

But when i say faithful, i don’t mean people who call themselves catholic but go to church 4 times a year and are pro choice. i mean religious people who take their faith and convictions seriously. a lot of people who identify as catholic, are very casual about it. evangelicals are usually more devout and serious.

this group, which i call “the faithful” because they actually try to stay faithful to that which they profess to believe, went big for trump. there’s no way that’s not true.

catholics and jews as a group, are likely to vote for a candidate whose policies are contrary to their faith ( today’s national democratic platform is totally incompatible with catholicism). evangelicals are a lot less likely to do so.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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To keep it simple and not get into the semantics of who gets to qualify as faithful: 138 million voted 75% identified as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. 40% of those voters voted for Hillary.
138x0.75x0.4= 41.4 million
Had Jim said a majority voted for Trump I wouldn't have had anything to say, but his blanket statement is a representative of co opting of religion by some on the right that is bogus. Maybe Jim just meant Trump won a majority of the faithful. Maybe given the way he started this thread he should look into what it means to be faithful.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

To keep it simple and not get into the semantics of who gets to qualify as faithful: 138 million voted 75% identified as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. 40% of those voters voted for Hillary.
138x0.75x0.4= 41.4 million
Had Jim said a majority voted for Trump I wouldn't have had anything to say, but his blanket statement is a representative of co opting of religion by some on the right that is bogus. Maybe Jim just meant Trump won a majority of the faithful. Maybe given the way he started this thread he should look into what it means to be faithful.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/
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I define "faithful" as a religious person (any religion) whose religious beliefs hold real value to him, someone actually dedicated to their religious beliefs. Someone who identifies as Catholic but who goes to church twice a year, doesn't do any volunteer work, and thinks the church is wrong on abortion, is not someone I'd consider to be faithful.

Among Christian faithful, Trump won big. Among casual Catholics and Jews, Hilary did great.

I'm very sorry if you don't like those results, but they were the results. Obviously they were the results. No Christian would ever truly believe Trump is a righteous person. But the policies he enacts, are far more in line with Judeo-Christian principles, than those of Hilary, it's not even close. Biden will have the same problem, but he'll make up for it with groups that lean left.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the policies he enacts, are far more in line with Judeo-Christian principles, than those of Hilary, it's not even close.

That is a selective and I will say warped opinion based what my Bible says.
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[nightfighter]

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

Well said. I am getting out of here ☠️
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

Who are the two guys in the picture?





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[wdmso]

The bottom line Trump is playing the religious right and they are playing him they clearly understand to use his vanity shower him in praise make him an unaware tool of God. To get what they want. These are the same people who swindle millions of dollars from followers sell fake cures and speak in tounge, yet live lavish lifestyles big houses jets , and Tump fits right in

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The bottom line Trump is playing the religious right and they are playing him they clearly understand to use his vanity shower him in praise make him an unaware tool of God. To get what they want. These are the same people who swindle millions of dollars from followers sell fake cures and speak in tounge, yet live lavish lifestyles big houses jets , and Tump fits right in

Both sides pander Wayne. But I think you know that. Why do you think Bernie voted against the Brady Bill?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The bottom line Trump is playing the religious right and they are playing him they clearly understand to use his vanity shower him in praise make him an unaware tool of God. To get what they want. These are the same people who swindle millions of dollars from followers sell fake cures and speak in tounge, yet live lavish lifestyles big houses jets , and Tump fits right in

He's doing what the religious right wants him to do. We get conservative judges and the ability to practice our religion without the feds telling us we need to defy our beliefs. In return, he gets our votes.

Why is that one side "playing" the other?

You vote for democrats who promise your union more than the Republicans. Why is that different? Does that mean you're getting "played" too?

Lemme guess...it's OK when unions and democrats work together, but sinister when evangelicals and republicans work together.

I can make a very great argument that the unions are getting played, because those pensions can never be paid for (just do the math), and when they go bankrupt, the democrats who lied to you will be retired in Grand Cayman. And they won't give a sh*t about the promises they made to you 30 years prior.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He's doing what the religious right wants him to do. We get conservative judges and the ability to practice our religion without the feds telling us we need to defy our beliefs. In return, he gets our votes.

Why is that one side "playing" the other?

You vote for democrats who promise your union more than the Republicans. Why is that different? Does that mean you're getting "played" too?

Lemme guess...it's OK when unions and democrats work together, but sinister when evangelicals and republicans work together.




Trump sees gun stores and ranges essential yet abortion services in red states not deemed essential ?? Trump administration won’t reopen Obamacare enrollment for uninsured as coronavirus spreads why ?

I can make a very great argument that the unions are getting played, because those pensions can never be paid for (just do the math), and when they go bankrupt, the democrats who lied to you will be retired in Grand Cayman. And they won't give a sh*t about the promises they made to you 30 years prior.

your trapped in your imaginary attacks on religious liberties..

being against religious discriminatory actions are not attacks on religion however its clear who are on the attack

Conservatives Are Weaponizing “Religious Liberty” to Allow Institutions to Discriminate

In 2016, for the second year in a row, more than 100 anti-equality bills targeting LGBT people were introduced in state legislatures, many of them described as measures to protect religious liberty. This flood of anti-LGBT and “religious liberty” legislation is not the result of isolated local efforts. It is part of a larger campaign by Religious Right groups to resist and reverse advances toward equality for LGBT Americans by portraying equality as inherently incompatible with religious freedom.



comparing union to whats going on see above again making comparisons that are not remotely the same ... unions count as 13 % of the American work force but get 100% of your Attention


yet evangelical percentage of the population at 25.4 are getting 100% of Trump's attentions , the rest are on the sidelines watching

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

your trapped in your imaginary attacks on religious liberties..

being against religious discriminatory actions are not attacks on religion however its clear who are on the attack

Conservatives Are Weaponizing “Religious Liberty” to Allow Institutions to Discriminate

In 2016, for the second year in a row, more than 100 anti-equality bills targeting LGBT people were introduced in state legislatures, many of them described as measures to protect religious liberty. This flood of anti-LGBT and “religious liberty” legislation is not the result of isolated local efforts. It is part of a larger campaign by Religious Right groups to resist and reverse advances toward equality for LGBT Americans by portraying equality as inherently incompatible with religious freedom.



comparing union to whats going on see above again making comparisons that are not remotely the same ... unions count as 13 % of the American work force but get 100% of your Attention


yet evangelical percentage of the population at 25.4 are getting 100% of Trump's attentions , the rest are on the sidelines watching

"your trapped in your imaginary attacks on religious liberties.. "

Obama was successfully sued by the owners of Hobby Lobby, as well as the Little Sisters of The Poor, because Obama tried to force them to abandon their religious beliefs. They sued, and they won. So if you want to recant your ignorant statement, now would be a good time.

Hey, I was pro gay marriage way, way before Obama and Hilary, and I bet I was before you as well. I agree that churches need to re-think their positions on gay marriage. You didn't post any links so I don't know what the bills were. Whle I support gay marriage, I also support the right of a Christian baker to not participate in a gay wedding if he chooses not to. The First Amendment is pretty clear.

" comparing union to whats going on see above again making comparisons that are not remotely the same '

right. So Trump is playing the Christians, but democrats aren't playing the unions. You say so!

"unions count as 13 % of the American work force "

But are 100% of the reason why CT and IL are on the verge of bankruptcy. 100%.

"but get 100% of your Attention "

Gibberish.

[Pete F.]

Fun fact: Jesus refused to tend to the lepers until they pledged allegiance to him and preemptively expressed their gratitude.