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Old 08-26-2020, 02:51 PM   #1
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Who changed the subject? "Would you like to compare New York's stats to Sweden."

The thread was about an article re Sweden's lack of lockdown. You made some kind of possible comparison to that article's message to Vermont. I figured if Vermont's lockdown and stats was supposed to be relevant to the Sweden article, then so would NY's lockdown and stats--all notions supposedly having some significance to what was said in the article. You skipped over the NY vs Sweden relevance and jumped to the CDC change in testing policy. Seemed like a complete change of subject to me.

That's not a response, just confusing baloney without evidence.

The Washington Times article was indeed a response.
I wasn't confused by it. There is no evidence that the CDC new policy is supposed to be some order by Trump to make statistics look better.
That's conjecture. It also mentions that it is left to the states to continue testing as they wish. Which really is more in line with federalism than some edict from the high and mighty federal government.



New covid-19 deaths, yesterday:

Spain: 52
France: 16
Japan: 15
Canada: 7
UK: 16
Germany: 9

United States: 1,290

Population of countries above: 426 million
Population of United States: 328 million
Sweden had one new death.
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Old 08-26-2020, 07:58 PM   #2
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Now tell us about Tulsa and who’s that pizza man that loved Tweety?
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Old 08-26-2020, 10:29 PM   #3
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Hey remember when Trump said in Tulsa that he wanted to decrease COVID-19 testing and Trump's critics said he definitely means it so this needs to be investigated immediately and Trump and you said no I was joking so media ignored it and now it turns out he was of course totally serious?
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I don't remember him saying that he wanted to decrease the testing. I remember him saying jokingly that he told his people to slow down the testing because they were doing so much that it created larger numbers of cases. I also remember him being proud of the most testing in the world. I also remember that he did not actually tell anybody to do less testing. That nobody could find evidence or acknowledgement that he told anybody to do less testing. And that his sarcasm was exactly to call attention to the amount of testing being done, attention he didn't think, rightly, that he was being given credit for.

And Sweden had one new death.
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Old 08-27-2020, 07:25 AM   #4
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And Sweden had one new death.
And now for the rest of the story

https://icds.ee/en/covid-19-policy-i...of-admiration/

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Old 08-27-2020, 07:40 AM   #5
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I don't remember him saying that he wanted to decrease the testing. I remember him saying jokingly that he told his people to slow down the testing because they were doing so much that it created larger numbers of cases. I also remember him being proud of the most testing in the world. I also remember that he did not actually tell anybody to do less testing. That nobody could find evidence or acknowledgement that he told anybody to do less testing. And that his sarcasm was exactly to call attention to the amount of testing being done, attention he didn't think, rightly, that he was being given credit for.
As usual there is video

Claiming that you have done the "most" testing in the world is playing with numbers. Testing percentage based on population was lower than many other countries at that time. Since then we have gotten better at testing but if recent reports are true it seems we are now going, once again, in the wrong direction for political reasons.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing






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Old 08-27-2020, 09:12 AM   #6
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As usual there is video

Claiming that you have done the "most" testing in the world is playing with numbers. Testing percentage based on population was lower than many other countries at that time. Since then we have gotten better at testing but if recent reports are true it seems we are now going, once again, in the wrong direction for political reasons.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing





We've already seen these videos and discussed them. They are misleading. As Spence used to say, it's in the archives. No point in beating a dead horse with you. You just keep repeating the same chit no matter that it's been debunked. You keep applying the Nazi big lie method knowing enough people will believe it.

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Old 08-27-2020, 10:03 AM   #7
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We've already seen these videos and discussed them. They are misleading. As Spence used to say, it's in the archives. No point in beating a dead horse with you. You just keep repeating the same chit no matter that it's been debunked. You keep applying the Nazi big lie method knowing enough people will believe it.
He said it and said he wasn’t kidding and then lied some more

Tweety’s the master gaslighter
Just don’t believe your lying eyes and trust in Tweety
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Old 08-27-2020, 10:21 AM   #8
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He said it and said he wasn’t kidding and then lied some more

Tweety’s the master gaslighter
Just don’t believe your lying eyes and trust in Tweety
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As I've said, I already discussed these. They are selected tidbits made to look like something they're not. You need to cling to you're misinforation videos to pump up your narrative. And you will keep doing so.
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Old 08-27-2020, 06:44 AM   #9
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Interesting that some think we should emulate Sweden in virus control but we can’t do healthcare similar to theirs because they are a more heterogeneous society and therefore it would never succeed here.
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Old 08-27-2020, 01:18 PM   #10
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CDC director Redfield is walking back CDC guideline not to test asymptomatics!!! Facing criticism, he now says “testing may be considered for all close contacts of confirmed or probable Covid-19 patients.”

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Old 08-27-2020, 01:45 PM   #11
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CDC director Redfield is walking back CDC guideline not to test asymptomatics!!! Facing criticism, he now says “testing may be considered for all close contacts of confirmed or probable Covid-19 patients.”
I'm guessing the significant part of this for you is the "facing criticism"
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Senior White House Official Tells CNN That "Everybody" in America Will Get COVID-19; White House Statement Is Consistent With Trump's Reported Desire to Execute a "Herd Immunity" Pandemic Response; Experts Say Such a Plan Would Kill Millions

The only solution to this is to protect yourself and your family and your community from the President of the United States by ignoring him and any entity under his command. Put your trust in state and local health officials and national and international medical experts.

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Old 08-28-2020, 02:18 PM   #13
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Senior White House Official Tells CNN That "Everybody" in America Will Get COVID-19; White House Statement Is Consistent With Trump's Reported Desire to Execute a "Herd Immunity" Pandemic Response; Experts Say Such a Plan Would Kill Millions

The only solution to this is to protect yourself and your family and your community from the President of the United States by ignoring him and any entity under his command. Put your trust in state and local health officials and national and international medical experts.
TRUMP 2020 - because you're all going to die someday
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Old 09-01-2020, 12:38 PM   #14
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More stupid coming out of Trump's mouth.

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci confirmed on Tuesday that more than 180,000 people in the U.S. have died from Covid-19.
Fauci's comments come after some have claimed a new CDC update indicates only 6% of the nation's total reported Covid-19 deaths were actually from the virus, and the remaining percent died of "other serious illnesses."

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci debunked online theories promoted by President Donald Trump that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has changed its guidance for tallying coronavirus deaths, showing a fraction of total Covid-19 fatalities.

On Sunday, Twitter removed a post retweeted by Trump that claimed the CDC had "quietly" updated its guidance to indicate only 6% of the country's coronavirus death toll — roughly 9,000 deaths — was actually caused by the virus,

The tweet said the remaining 94% had "other serious illnesses."
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