nancy pelosi inside closed hair salon without a mask

[Pete F.]

We shouldn’t pay much attention to Pelosi getting her hair done.
Tweety has a make-up team, and sometimes that’s not enough, so he does his own make-up and just about anything he’s ever said on TV, he made up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We shouldn’t pay much attention to Pelosi getting her hair done.
Tweety has a make-up team, and sometimes that’s not enough, so he does his own make-up and just about anything he’s ever said on TV, he made up.

fine. how about we pay attention to whether or not trump condemned the violence in charlottesville. any comment on that?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

fine. how about we pay attention to whether or not trump condemned the violence in charlottesville. any comment on that?
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Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.

No issue there where the president of the United States is suggesting voters break the law by intentionally voting twice. Focus on the threat he is, not the blatant white supremacy in his veins, calling out acts of violence wrong which any president should do, doesn’t erase all the times he has encouraged violence and supported white supremacy in his round about way.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.

No issue there where the president of the United States is suggesting voters break the law by intentionally voting twice. Focus on the threat he is, not the blatant white supremacy in his veins, calling out acts of violence wrong which any president should do, doesn’t erase all the times he has encouraged violence and supported white supremacy in his round about way.
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pete just brought it up, so direct your ridicule at him. i posted a story from TIME that had a transcript of trumps response, including 4-5 places where he specifically condemned racists.

denying he condemned racists at charlottesville, is about as rational as saying obama wasn’t born here. it’s demonstrably false.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.


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I plan to vote three times each in several states

[Got Stripers]

He went out of his way looking for exactly what happened to transpire, your deluding yourself if he was there to defend a neighbors store, he got what he wanted.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

He went out of his way looking for exactly what happened to transpire, your deluding yourself if he was there to defend a neighbors store, he got what he wanted.

Ahh. Mind reading.

[scottw]

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

[Pete F.]

The head victim and generally immature individual in the White House tweets

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Crazy Nancy Pelosi said she was “set up” by the beauty parlor owner when she improperly had the salon opened (and didn’t wear a MASK!). Does anyone want a Speaker of the House who can be so easily SET UP?

Because the Speaker, who's running essentially unopposed, lives rent free in his brain, next door to Hilary & 44, while Putin holds the Deed on his ability to remain in office. It’s complicated, to say the least.

So while he's majoring in the minor, people are dying from Covid on his watch & he doesn’t have a plan. Russia paid bounties for the death of American service members & he doesn’t have a response.

But he'll gladly distract from what you should be paying attention to on his watch.............

190,000 Dead
6.3 Million infected

Americans marching in the streets

Wackos on the left and right in armed combat

How many million unemployed

A friendly reminder that trump’s economy is actually historically bad but the treasury spent $7T of your future tax dollars to buy corporate debt & bonds to falsely prop up the stock market. How else could it do so well? The stock market is not the economy.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

And Then they bring up past behavior as if that is supposed to justify that. I thought we’re not supposed to do that.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

It's worth noting that he isn't a rapist and the protesters were trying to disarm an active shooter.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's worth noting that he isn't a rapist and the protesters were trying to disarm an active shooter.

a sincere question...he wasn't wanted on a warrant for committing a sex crime against the mother of his kids?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

Oh so now he was brandishing a weapon

You do know that brandshing a weapon for a black guy it gets him 7 in the back. But 2 white folks brandishing 2 weapons gets you to speak at the RNC

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Oh so now he was brandishing a weapon

You do know that brandshing a weapon for a black guy it gets him 7 in the back. But 2 white folks brandishing 2 weapons gets you to speak at the RNC

Wasn't brandishing a weapon.

[Got Stripers]

Ross that’s way to logical, they don’t respond well to if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck; nope they see a turtle.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

The kid... the seventeen year old kid should have been at home, not out openly carrying an AR-15. He wasn't necessarily a better shot, he was definitely better armed... Furthermore, he tripped and fell. He was not beaten before he fired. And what was he thinking? Clearly he was not acting as a member of an organized militia. He was out for adventure, IMO. (NOT mind reading here, Jim.) Hell, if I was out there, (big if, mind you) and I see a young gunman running down the street, not wearing a uniform that I know, hell yeah, I am more than likely ready to train my weapon on him as the immediate risk. As I said, he was lucky it was just fools out in the streets that night.

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there?

He was being chased by several men. When he fell, they started to swarm on him, one appeared ready to stomp on him, then he opened fire. At that point, it looked like self defense to me. But, maybe the trial will bring out whatever the truth is, or bring out whatever the truth is supposed to be according to those who will make the final judgment.

As far as his age goes in determining whether he is a misguided fool or a supposed hero, we still have Greta Thunberg, same age, out there stumping for climate control. She is celebrated, honored, glorified, especially because of her age--almost an insult to all the adults who sit quietly at home and say nothing.

I guess it depends on which "side" your on if it's OK, or even really good, for a 17 year old to jump into the fray.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there?

He was being chased by several men. When he fell, they started to swarm on him, one appeared ready to stomp on him, then he opened fire. At that point, it looked like self defense to me. But, maybe the trial will bring out whatever the truth is, or bring out whatever the truth is supposed to be according to those who will make the final judgment.

As far as his age goes in determining whether he is a misguided fool or a supposed hero, we still have Greta Thunberg, same age, out there stumping for climate control. She is celebrated, honored, glorified, especially because of her age--almost an insult to all the adults who sit quietly at home and say nothing.

I guess it depends on which "side" your on if it's OK, or even really good, for a 17 year old to jump into the fray.

I missed the part where Greta shot people.... Maybe it was on the sailboat and word never got around....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I missed the part where Greta shot people.... Maybe it was on the sailboat and word never got around....

I responded to age being an issue. And nobody chased Greta with intent to seriously harm or kill her. I'm just guessing. Don't know for sure. But if several men did chase her down because of what she said, and she had a gun, I'm guessing you'd be OK with her shooting them.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other UNARMED people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there WITHOUT THE NEED TO BRANDISH AN AR-15?

Look, I am not agreeing or siding with protestors here. But I will try to make an unbiased decision about right vs wrong when it comes to the use of firearms and deadly force. This isn't political. Every damn thing seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. This is not an all or none world...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Look, I am not agreeing or siding with protestors here. But I will try to make an unbiased decision about right vs wrong when it comes to the use of firearms and deadly force. This isn't political. Every damn thing seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. This is not an all or none world...

First, it's not true that all those older "protesters" were unarmed, as you edited my post to say, one of them chasing him had a pistol and another during the chase fired a shot in the air.

I agree that everything seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. Except I don't think that it is merely "seems." It is intentional. Making it about Trump is the way to hide real issues and intents.

Just for the sake of argument, take Trump out of the equation and every thing else remains the same. Analyzing it that way might clarify what is actually happening.

[spence]

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

I notice you didn't point out any errors I made.

If you look at the number of unarmed people killed by cops by race, and compare that to each race's makeup of the general population, unarmed blacks are a disproportionate share (but the number is so small, it has no meaning). But if you compare the numbers shot by race to each race's share of population in urban areas (which is where these things happen), unarmed blacks are not a disproportionate share.

You have nothing to bolster your argument, except the Sharpton-like rantings of shameless race baiters.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

Article from the National Academy of the Sciences.

"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings"

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Article from the National Academy of the Sciences.

"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings"

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

I think you forgot to read this part.

What These Findings Do Not Show.
Our analyses test for racial disparities in FOIS, which should not be conflated with racial bias (21). Racial disparities are a necessary but not sufficient, requirement for the existence of racial biases, as there are many reasons why fatal shootings might vary across racial groups that are unrelated to bias on the behalf of police officers.

Besides, all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you forgot to read this part.



Besides, all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general.

what you say I forgot to post, has no real meaning.

"all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general"

Does this mean you'll concede that there's no epidemic of cops waking up, and deciding to shoot a black person?

I freely concede there's bias in things like traffic stops (the data is crystal clear). Not in the use of deadly force (the data is crystal clear).

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what you say I forgot to post, has no real meaning.

Actually it invalidates your argument

Does this mean you'll concede that there's no epidemic of cops waking up, and deciding to shoot a black person?

I freely concede there's bias in things like traffic stops (the data is crystal clear). Not in the use of deadly force (the data is crystal clear).

The data isn't crystal clear. First off your report only looks at events where there's a fatality, the Jacob Blake event wouldn't even count as a statistic. Second, your own report states "The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

[Pete F.]

The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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The problem is evidence is only in courts

On the street the standard for shooting is just the requirement of feelings or guesswork.

This is the issue

Every American supports police rights to defend themselves they dont condone killing people based on a feeling

Then you get the argument oh what police should be shot at 1st and my answer is Yes. If the standard isnt changed to physically seeing a gun . Policemen have a dangerous job no question. And I have said this several times but when our Men and women in uniform are held to a higher standard of the use of deadly force under their ROE rules of engagement in Foreign lands. That. problematic

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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I suppose none of these instances happened
They must have been outliers
Sure, Jan
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I suppose none of these instances happened
They must have been outliers
Sure, Jan
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so, did trump condemn racist violence at charlottesville?
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