Data shows that Democrats are the authoritarians

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

The person you are quoting here (and not giving him credit for it) is applying the general denotational aspect of the word "conservatism" (a conservation of something) to an aristocratic society. And so, if a society is being dominated by an aristocracy, "conservatism" would conserve that domination.

Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.

Here he narrows the definition into a specific political label. The problem with applying this to his aforementioned "aristocracy" is that not all political systems are aristocracies. So, in those that aren't, "conservatism" would not conserve the domination of an aristocracy.

If the political system were a "democracy" (whatever he means by that) then "conservatism" would conserve a "democracy." Ergo, I presume, he would not consider it "destructive" and it would have a place in his notion of the "modern world."

For thousands of years, conservatism was universally understood as being in opposition to democracy. Having lost much of its ability to attack democracy openly, conservatism has tried in recent years to redefine the word "democracy" while engaging in deception to make the substance of democracy unthinkable.

Here he is transporting the political labels "conservatism" and "democracy" via wdmso's time machine into "thousands of years" ago where his current, mostly undefined, notion of what they mean did not exist. And back into a time when there was no universal understanding.

And he speaks of this thousands of years old "conservatism" attacking "democracy." But doesn't really define either. In fact, somewhere in the long essay from which you quote, he says something to the effect that democracy has not yet been fully realized and that we are still striving to grow a democratic culture. He doesn't say how conservatism has tried to redefine the word democracy--but how do you redefine something that is still in progress?

Almost all of the early immigrants to America left behind societies that had been oppressed by conservatism. The democratic culture that Americans have built is truly one of the monuments of civilization. And American culture remains vibrant to this day despite centuries of conservative attack.

Philip E. Agre, whom you are quoting (without the proper attribution) can't seem to wrap his mind around the notion that American "conservatism" as it expresses itself is all about preserving that monument of civilization rather than attacking it for "centuries."

He doesn't get that American so-called "conservatism" is not the same as European conservatism. Nor the same as his reputed thousands of years of what he calls conservatism dating, presumably, back to the pharaohs, or maybe even before that.

The reason I don't like to use the term "conservative" and usually put it in quotes when I do, is because it is more a vague political label that means different things to different people. Usually, the context, tells what it is supposed to mean. But it is not a useful political term when speaking in general or "universal" contexts, such as how Agre did in the essay you were quoting from.

And, BTW, that essay was written 17 years ago, and the Democrat party was still evolving then and has done so precipitously since then into the authoritarians that would not fit Agre's notion of "liberal" nor even, I presume (since I don't know exactly what he means by the word), his idea of "democratic." The present Democrat party would, in many respects, fit Agre's notion of "conservatism." Glenn Greenwald has been pointing that out over the past five or so years. And I believe Greenwald would pretty much agree with most of Agre's ideas on creating a democratic culture.

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Originally Posted by wdmso

Seven students are suing a Texas school district over its dress-code policy banning boys from having long hair.
School officials suspended a 9-year-old boy for a month, barred him from recess and normal lunch breaks as punishment for long hair, the lawsuit claims.


FREEDOM!!!!!

We have compulsory education for children between a range of ages between 5-16. Under current law, they are not FREE to begin with. And within various districts various codes of conduct or acceptable behavior are enforced. All of this is a result of "democracy." The majority has decided it to be so. FREEDOM and democracy are not synonymous. "Our Democracy" provides for the majority in given districts to require certain conduct in the schools.

I'm guessing you want us to be a "democracy." If the majority continues to give districts the power to require appropriate conduct, as well as the power to teach things that various parents think is harmful to their children, "our democracy" will empower schools to do so.

We still have access to redress and relief in the court system. But that has become increasingly shaky, depending on how judges feel or "interpret."

[wdmso]

Trump Hits Fox for Running Pro-Democrat Ads

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday slammed Fox News for running commercials that are critical of him while guests and hosts say positive things about him and his ideas.

"What good is it if FOX News speaks well of me when they continually allow horrible and untruthful anti-Trump commercials to be run — and plenty of them," Trump said in a statement released through his Save America PAC.

But he’s not he’s not an authoritarian ! Keep those head firmly planted in the sand
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump Hits Fox for Running Pro-Democrat Ads

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday slammed Fox News for running commercials that are critical of him while guests and hosts say positive things about him and his ideas.

"What good is it if FOX News speaks well of me when they continually allow horrible and untruthful anti-Trump commercials to be run — and plenty of them," Trump said in a statement released through his Save America PAC.

But he’s not he’s not an authoritarian ! Keep those head firmly planted in the sand
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so anyone who expresses an opinion, juvenile though it may be, is an authoritarian.

no fascist dictator would let cnn and msnbc talk about him, they way he let them talk about him.

you lose. again.

trump is a lot of bad things. he’s obviously no authoritarian who tries to shut down unfriendly media.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so anyone who expresses an opinion, juvenile though it may be, is an authoritarian.

no fascist dictator would let cnn and msnbc talk about him, they way he let them talk about him.

you lose. again.

trump is a lot of bad things. he’s obviously no authoritarian who tries to shut down unfriendly media.
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once again your more upset at a random person

than the former POTUS past and current words and statements

he's just juvenile

[Jim in CT]

wayne, oil way up again. going to $100 without a doubt. its all trumps fault.
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[Pete F.]

If you’re an evangelical, prayer cures all.

Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell, threatened to punish students who reported being raped.

An official told us he was just fired for raising concerns. He called it “conspiracy of silence.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/t...exual-assaults
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you’re an evangelical, prayer cures all.

Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell, threatened to punish students who reported being raped.

An official told us he was just fired for raising concerns. He called it “conspiracy of silence.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/t...exual-assaults
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By Jim’s measure, all evangelicals are bad.
But remember the mantra: right wing good, Democrats bad
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[Jim in CT]

wayne, not everything is a grand conspiracy.

but not everything is as you say, either.

a girl was raped.

then the superintendent emailed school staff informing them of the rape.

then at a boe meeting, he said he saw no information that a rape had happened.

i say he lied.

you say he was bound to say that because of laws regarding minors

one of us has this right, the other one is a lunatic who will grasp
any straw to keep his side from looking bad.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne, not everything is a grand conspiracy.


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Then why does the right attempt to present them as such ?

So far this incident is seen as Dems being authoritarian , NSBA letter calling parents domestic terrorist , some morphed into Garland kids and CRT payback , and Transgenders are dangerous be afraid .

Yet anything related to Jan 6th Trumps continuous attacks against the election , claiming privileges he does not have , via lawsuits and his people refusing to testify in front of the committee. Get supported from the right

But this school superintendent is enemy number 1 and Alex Baldwin is enemy #2 because of his impersonating Trump.

The oldest Trump son, Donald Jr., is hawking $27.99 T-shirts on his official site with the mocking slogan: “Guns don’t kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people.

Seems the apple doesn’t fall far from the Tree .. and many in the MAGA cult see this as strength..

It’s all to predictable
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Then why does the right attempt to present them as such ?

So far this incident is seen as Dems being authoritarian , NSBA letter calling parents domestic terrorist , some morphed into Garland kids and CRT payback , and Transgenders are dangerous be afraid .

Yet anything related to Jan 6th Trumps continuous attacks against the election , claiming privileges he does not have , via lawsuits and his people refusing to testify in front of the committee. Get supported from the right

But this school superintendent is enemy number 1 and Alex Baldwin is enemy #2 because of his impersonating Trump.

The oldest Trump son, Donald Jr., is hawking $27.99 T-shirts on his official site with the mocking slogan: “Guns don’t kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people.

Seems the apple doesn’t fall far from the Tree .. and many in the MAGA cult see this as strength..

It’s all to predictable
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i don’t think anyone said the superintendent is public enemy #1.

wayne, did the superintendent lie at a public meeting about the rape at one of his schools? yes or no?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t think anyone said the superintendent is public enemy #1.

wayne, did the superintendent lie at a public meeting about the rape at one of his schools? yes or no?
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Jim if you read conservatives websites and comments on news sites the message is clear

Republican Glenn Youngkin is highlighting cases of alleged sex crimes in schools to help repair the GOP's standing in the Virginia suburbs, where educated moms and dads have turned against Donald Trump’s Republican Party.

What other tragedy awaits Virginia’s children?” an atypically grim-faced Youngkin asked from the podium, flanked by a collection of parents and schoolchildren.

Yep the the party of fear hard at work
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim if you read conservatives websites and comments on news sites the message is clear

Republican Glenn Youngkin is highlighting cases of alleged sex crimes in schools to help repair the GOP's standing in the Virginia suburbs, where educated moms and dads have turned against Donald Trump’s Republican Party.

What other tragedy awaits Virginia’s children?” an atypically grim-faced Youngkin asked from the podium, flanked by a collection of parents and schoolchildren.

Yep the the party of fear hard at work
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you ignored my question, shocker.

did the superintendent lie about having knowledge that a rape took place at his school? yes or no?
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[Pete F.]

Congratulations to greewald, whose appearance on Tucker Carlson led Philip Weisbecker to incriminate himself.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Congratulations to greewald, whose appearance on Tucker Carlson led Philip Weisbecker to incriminate himself.
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He's not always right, but he's often good at exposing the truth. Apparently, re Weisbecker, he can do it without even trying. He even causes you to make up stupid and obvious lies about him, exposing what a fraud you are.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He's not always right, but he's often good at exposing the truth. Apparently, re Weisbecker, he can do it without even trying. He even causes you to make up stupid and obvious lies about him, exposing what a fraud you are.

When the bots come after me, that’s when I know I’m doing it right.
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