student loan forgivemess

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME i

I was responding to Jim responding to Eben,,,,,,lay off the coffee

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME in your political narrative, and your gross generalizations are showing your lack of insight for your argument.

I love the passion with which this was written though....too funny

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they can't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?

Scott, did you ever have a student loan?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Scott, did you ever have a student loan?

yes, why does that matter?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Where is everyone’s outrage when the rich get tax cuts worth billions?

Realistically I see this move doing nothing for the economy.
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student loan debt forgivemess applies tom individuals earning less than 125k or families earning less than 250.

a family making 250k needs to transfer the burden of their loans to poor working people? you’re ok with that?
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[nightfighter]

For Christ's sake, Jim, since when did you start writing checks for my student loan??? Mail has come. Don't see your payment. Talking rubbish and taking zero accountability despite saying you do not respect Trump as a person.

[wdmso]

Student A owes 80k 2 days ago
Biden offers relief to a small subset of student loans. Now Student A owes 70k. Wow

Then they say it will raise inflation which is nonsense

Case in point my Daughter will get the 10 k debt relief. Her 1 loan is from nelnet all she owes is 7k . So her 113 a month is not a windfall or going to send her on a spending spree. It covers inflation maybe

And I guess there won’t be 1 child of a republican or conservatives who will get any debt relief

But of course the usual suspects will fame it as elitist (. Jim using Harvard as his example) getting money on the backs of the working class

When it’s the working class who can’t afford to go to college with out loans ..

More manufactured outrage from the conservatives sheep networks

Last week outrage over blacks skipping white teachers. now 20k relief for lower income blacks. Over whites.. not a good week for some
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Student A owes 80k 2 days ago
Biden offers relief to a small subset of student loans. Now Student A owes 70k. Wow

Then they say it will raise inflation which is nonsense

Case in point my Daughter will get the 10 k debt relief. Her 1 loan is from nelnet all she owes is 7k . So her 113 a month is not a windfall or going to send her on a spending spree. It covers inflation maybe

And I guess there won’t be 1 child of a republican or conservatives who will get any debt relief

But of course the usual suspects will fame it as elitist (. Jim using Harvard as his example) getting money on the backs of the working class

When it’s the working class who can’t afford to go to college with out loans ..

More manufactured outrage from the conservatives sheep networks

Last week outrage over blacks skipping white teachers. now 20k relief for lower income blacks. Over whites.. not a good week for some
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300 billion is nothing, right. about $1,000 for every human being in the country.

you dodged my question. twice. so here it is a third time

Your daughters 7k loan is wiped out. why does she deserve that,, more than someone else who took out a 7k loan for something other than college? why is she more important?

please answer that question.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

300 billion is nothing, right. about $1,000 for every human being in the country.

you dodged my question. twice. so here it is a third time

Your daughters 7k loan is wiped out. why does she deserve that,, more than someone else who took out a 7k loan for something other than college? why is she more important?

please answer that question.
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Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame this issues as us against them

You seem to be making a standard for deserving.. when income is the only standard being used .



This relief isn’t about deserving or not deserving but you conveniently make it about that when you disagree ..


Does my son deserve to get his college paid because he served? Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .

No. neither of deserve those benefits provided. Just because we wore a uniform . We are entitled under the laws written Just like anyone whos getting this relief 99.9 % are thankful for the help . The other .01 may think they deserve it but they would be wrong

I just don’t view the word in such a distorted view

But you have no issues with vouchers for private schools . Never hear you say anything like why do they deserve to go to a private school . Do you feel families who own million dollar ocean front homes that get destroyed by hurricanes . Get rebuilt by government money
Never hear why do they deserve government assistance?

The GOP is just a childish driven party based on culture war division
Void of anything policy driven except the lower taxes mantra for the rich. I guess they are deserving of their tax reduction and the working class should STFU about that . Because without them you’d have no job
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame....

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great way to frame an angry response to Jim...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .


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this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....

Yep you’re on the wagon of only partying college students are the ones getting this relief

But I guess in your world view there are no students who’s have paid 90 k back . of the hundred k they borrowed ?

But They are partying losers for getting their last 10k relived .

I don’t consider Deserve and entitled as being same thing.


Ps who are all these people who don’t want to pay their loans back?

Oh wait that’s what you’ve been told is happening..

I bet. You think the 15% min corporate tax increases is a tax increase on you because that’s what you were told

Top Republican Tax-Writer Falsely Claims that Minimum Tax for Huge Corporations Is a Tax Hike on Middle-Class

See a trend
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[Jim in CT]

Paul S, on the school choice discussion you said you were adamantly opposed to using your tax dollars to subsidize private schools. Can we assume then, that you are therefore equally opposed to student loan forgiveness, which will send tens of billions of dollars to enrich private schools?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Paul S, on the school choice discussion you said you were adamantly opposed to using your tax dollars to subsidize private schools. Can we assume then, that you are therefore equally opposed to student loan forgiveness, which will send tens of billions of dollars to enrich private schools?

I am actually.

I think it would have been better to just continue wiping out debt for those who went to those scam for private schools (which where protected by the Rep. party)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I am actually.

then in all seriousness and zero sarcasm,,you have the courage of your convictions, and i admire that.
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[wdmso]

Biden’s Student-Debt Bonfire Is a Classist Message to the Uncredentialed: Screw ’Em

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this as some elites scam of hard working minimum wage Americans whom republicans think don’t deserve 15.00 an hour and are using the working class as victims .

So disconnected that these workers who are construction workers or work factories . Or at the deli counter
Aspire for their kids to be more then them .

I was in the military and corrections officer not really by my choice but because my parents couldn’t pay for college on their own just like with my children 1 who needed loans to go to school and the other who joined the Air Force to pay for his ( which the tax payer’s pay)

Thus helps the middle and lower income people and Republicans can’t stand it .. because they might vote . But not for them
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Biden’s Student-Debt Bonfire Is a Classist Message to the Uncredentialed: Screw ’Em

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this as some elites scam of hard working minimum wage Americans whom republicans think don’t deserve 15.00 an hour and are using the working class as victims .

So disconnected that these workers who are construction workers or work factories . Or at the deli counter
Aspire for their kids to be more then them .

I was in the military and corrections officer not really by my choice but because my parents couldn’t pay for college on their own just like with my children 1 who needed loans to go to school and the other who joined the Air Force to pay for his ( which the tax payer’s pay)

Thus helps the middle and lower income people and Republicans can’t stand it .. because they might vote . But not for them
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helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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I bet you think they are in the majority right! Getting 10 in relief

But keep focusing you arguments on the possible 1% marking over 250k. And ignore the majority
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1231771]helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this

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THE HILL Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers on Monday cautioned the Biden administration against extending the moratorium on federal student loan repayments and knocked “unreasonably generous student loan relief” he said could worsen inflation.
Summers rejected comparisons between student debt proposals and other instances in the recent past in which the federal government intervened with economic relief measures.

“There is no analogy with bank bailouts. Student loans are grants that cost the government money,” Summers said. “The bank bailouts were loans at premium interest in which the government turned a profit.”
Summers also noted that he was “not enthused” when the federal government offered “Paycheck Protection Loans” to small businesses during the economic upheaval of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“But, at the time it was extended, the economy was in the worst free fall in a century. Now, job openings are at record rates,” he added.

“I think the best way to relieve student debt would be to allow it to be discharged in bankruptcy,” Summers said. “I’d support this reform. It would also penalize other private creditors, unlike government debt relief that would in part subsidize them.”

[wdmso]

This program will completely erase the student debt of about 20 million.

20 million AMERICANS. Which includes republicans democrats independent all races and religions

And yet Republicans are upset

Let that soak in they are upset that 20 million people will have a few extra bucks to put back into their families
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[Nebe]

I just realized why so many trumpers are loosing their minds over this.

THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I just realized why so many trumpers are loosing their minds over this.

THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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C’mon, you’re smarter than this.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

C’mon, you’re smarter than this.
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Did you go to college ?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Did you go to college ?
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Nope, I went into the military out of HS. Although I did enroll in a certificate program and earned a certificate in Data Communications at Northeastern University when I got out.

Point???
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Why is the burden of a college loan more important than the burden of a mortgage? Or the burden of a car loan?

You wanted something, you borrowed the money to get it, now you have to pay it back. It’s really that simple.
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[Pete F.]

If you’re a Christian and mad about the possibility of student loan debt being canceled, let me remind you that your entire religion is based on a debt you couldn’t pay that someone stepped in and paid for you.
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[Pete F.]

For most Americans, a strong system of public education is a core value.

Extremists want to destroy that in any and all forms.

Don’t let them.

As a Boomer myself, my generation didn't work hard to get the benefits we had, our parents & grandparents did. They didn't say "I didn't have that so why should you?" They said, "I want better for the next generations." Their boomer kids said "I'm good. Ef’m!”
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[Pete F.]

I have friends in Canada, where college tuition runs <9K (in American $), everyone has health insurance & maternity leave lasts a year. Also, abortion is both legal & publicly funded.
Debt, nah, it’s less
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[wdmso]

Millions in covid aid went to retrain veterans. Only 397 landed jobs.
Nearly $400 million went to a veteran retraining program as part of the American Rescue Plan

Not sure why Republicans aren’t outraged over that. Or dems f
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