TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[buckman]

I'll tell you what. We will only keep one fish per client this year .... You're welcome for saving the striped bass 👍
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[MAKAI]

Atta boy !
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[JohnR]

I am not making tonight - please pass the word - 1 fish.

[brianmoc]

Originally Posted by afterhours

why should an angler who fishes on a charter boat be allowed to keep twice as many stripers as the guy in the surf? because he paid to go on a boat? or how about joe blow on his own boat he can only keep one? I will support those charters in favor of the 1 fish per angler, the others- not so much.

this is so true

[ivanputski]

I think word of mouth will take on a new meaning this year... Truly conservation minded charter businesses will be highly recommended and flourish... and out for a buck boats killing maximums at all costs will also exposed word of mouth, and customers can support who they want. Things have a way of working out that way. There is a great restaurant that i love here in town, but the owner is such a greedy rude jerk that i take a pass on my favorite meal... I refuse to put another dime of my money in his pocket.
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[afterhours]

i had a feeling RISAA was going to flip flop due due to commercial member pressure.

[BasicPatrick]

I am still confident MA is going to end up 1 @ 28 for all. The meeting was postponed until tomorrow and with snow tomorrow is now postponed until March 5. Location TBA.

As individuals we all get to watch how this plays out and our actions are ours and ours alone. As a member of a club I know I will be speaking against allowing any business that supported 2 fish from speaking at my home club. I will personally not support events of clubs that supported 2 fish etc. We vote with our dollars and our voices.

[Clammer]

WELL .697 POST ON THIS THREAD >>>>>>>> Yet tonight at the meeting I only saw one member that is active on this site. [THAT I KNOW ].THERE COULD BE A FEW OTHERS . MR DZ & HE SAID HIS PIECE ............. pERSONALLY i JUST TOLD THEM THAT ALL THEIR ARUGMENTS & REASONING .WAS b ULL S HIT ......................................... sooooooooo for me this topic is over & this is the last you,ll ever hear from me on this subject ........ actions are much bigger than words .......... talking B/S is what it is .......... SUPPORT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to me it means to back someone up , to say what you feel where it counts ................... 697 posts & it comes down to .ya better take up golf because all your posts don,t mean dict #^&#^&#^&#^& .........sorry with the notice we had . there should have been a t 100 guys at least in favor ................ Don,t tell me you had something came up , or your got called to work ...... Just keep B/S yourselves ....................{I was on the way there but got caught on a ice berg .............or better yet no balls ............. so you get to reap what you sow

BTW the guys turning custom plugs might just as well stick them up their asses .because there won,t be any basses .. unless you can find nits wits that will pay stupid prices fot plugs to catch BLOOOOOOOOOfish ;

[buckman]

You guys need to chill ! I know these charter guys are bass killing machines but in reality this is a very small part to the problem . Blaming charter boats has become "cool" to some here .
Can anyone here tell me why this has become such a fiery issue ?
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[Mr. Sandman]

I have given up. This subject is exhausting. How many years are we going to be debating all this? And it goes on and on when the same fools at the helm who are trying to squeeze all they can from this resource with little to no changes to the law. (face it 25% reduction is laughable ). What an enormous waste of energy.
All this proves my point that until you take the price off the fish's head there is no hope for the species. We are dealing with a lot of people who are selfish and see their right to commercially exploit the resource as their God given right. Who gave them or forced them to do this? They need to pull the plug on all commercial activity, include comm fisherman, charter and even guides who retain "rec" fish. Force them to get a real job and leave the SB alone. We have to abandon the "user group" rights theory along with the naive academic Max sustainable yield theory and focus on the fish itself.
I use to be a 1@ 36 guy with no sale with a strong push for forage fish re-population, but now I am for a complete shut down. Zero retention for the foreseeable future for anyone. The reason I am so extreme now is that people only seem to respond to extremes, talking logically to Marine Fishery people is pointless. I have done this and they have responded with ..."yes but the history of the fishery is a commercial industry", I usually reply with If history is your guide then why don't we still have slavery? Then you get the perplexed look on their faces and then conversation ends and we both walk away calling each other F'in idiots under our breath.

Shut this fishery down once and for all and let's move on already. If you think that fishery managers can actually manage fish...just look at how well they did with the codfish.

Spider crab and jellyfish sandwich anyone?

[DZ]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

I am still confident MA is going to end up 1 @ 28 for all. The meeting was postponed until tomorrow and with snow tomorrow is now postponed until March 5. Location TBA.

As individuals we all get to watch how this plays out and our actions are ours and ours alone. As a member of a club I know I will be speaking against allowing any business that supported 2 fish from speaking at my home club. I will personally not support events of clubs that supported 2 fish etc. We vote with our dollars and our voices.

Mass might be the key - at last nights meeting RIDEM said they tried to work with other states but got no response from them - I find that hard to believe. Patrick, you know Diodati - please ask him if RI made any effort to coordinate regs with Mass.
http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2015...33906e9c4d&r=1

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Can anyone here tell me why this has become such a fiery issue ?
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Because most of us have lived through a collapse before and we see it coming and are passionate about the sport we love. There, simple enough for you?

[Slipknot]

THANK YOU DZ

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Clammer

BTW the guys turning custom plugs might just as well stick them up their asses .because there won,t be any basses .. unless you can find nits wits that will pay stupid prices fot plugs to catch BLOOOOOOOOOfish ;

maybe we can stick some up your azz too...

[Clammer]

now that,s a good idea , I,ve been wanting to try that .......... but they want to keep the hooks on ><.,that kinda goes past the kinky side ><><>

[puppet]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

All this proves my point that until you take the price off the fish's head there is no hope for the species.

Agreed. Thanks for posting.
Taking the comercial aspect out of the picture and strict
enforcement of the laws, are really the best hope.

Originally Posted by buckman

Can anyone here tell me why this has become such a fiery issue ?

I can only speak for myself. I do not point blame at any one source,
but the lions share of the problem falls on the government. Their
lack of ability to manage the resource and enforce law.

My home waters are in the western Long island sound. For the last
two years they are practically void of life. Last year being the
worst. I love fishing and fishing for striped bass. The quality and
quantity I had in my backyard, I can no longer enjoy. Its gone.

I am not perfect. I do not go to these political hearings. Over the
years, I have watched surfcasters harvest fish over limit. I have
boarded charters and made it a point to limit. My own ignorance
contributed to the fall of the fishery.

Really It would be my preference to be in a moratorium. The 1 fish
per angler is a compromise. Any party who argues that we or they
should have 2 fish per angler is really requesting no change and
frankly does not care about the fishery.

Its a heated issue because we are all in a bad place and we are all to
blame. The fishery is hanging by a thread and some parties seem
interested in taking a knife to whats left.

[ivanputski]

Buckman... At this point, For you to honestly ask why " this has become such a fiery issue" is indication that discussing the topic with you any further is a total waste of time. I dont know you personally, so no direct disrespect... But you get no more of my time.
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[JohnR]

I have seen the enemy and he is us

Multiplied by bad management decisions.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

You guys need to chill ! I know these charter guys are bass killing machines but in reality this is a very small part to the problem . Blaming charter boats has become "cool" to some here .
Can anyone here tell me why this has become such a fiery issue ?
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Simple. Two major problems of which can be controlled that have lead to the demise are harvest by recs and chartesr. 1@28 for recs was in every way the least that could be done, but a teeny step. The conservation equivalency is complete bs and does nothing to reduce the impact by charters, which is why they asked for it. Result- continued decline of a fishery that is already worse than the regulators will acknowledge. That should be enough to fire up anyone who actually cares.

[Nebe]

Does SB.com have an award for nonconservationist of the year award? I nominate Buckman
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[thefishingfreak]

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Because most of us have lived through a collapse before and we see it coming and are passionate about the sport we love. There, simple enough for you?

I take it you won't be fishing for stripers anymore until they have reached your satisfactory level ?
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Does SB.com have an award for nonconservationist of the year award? I nominate Buckman
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Hey buddy, I'm the worst striper fisherman on this site .😀 believe me I'm not the problem
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[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by DZ

Mass might be the key - at last nights meeting RIDEM said they tried to work with other states but got no response from them - I find that hard to believe. Patrick, you know Diodati - please ask him if RI made any effort to coordinate regs with Mass.
http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2015...33906e9c4d&r=1

Just an FYI, CT has scheduled their public hearing for next Wednesday night, February 25, to address striped bass, scup, fluke and sea bass. An item of note from their official announcement (attached) is the following quote from the section on striped bass. As I read this CT no longer intends to blindly follow RI's lead in respect to split regulations.

Marine Fisheries expects 1 fish at 28 inches to be adopted for the 2015
recreational fishery.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

Just an FYI, CT has scheduled their public hearing for next Wednesday night, February 25, to address striped bass, scup, fluke and sea bass. An item of note from their official announcement (attached) is the following quote from the section on striped bass. As I read this CT no longer intends to blindly follow RI's lead in respect to split regulations.

Well in that case, if CT and MA go to one fish, RISAA should flip-flop-flip-flop back to 1 fish, no...?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by puppet

Agreed. Thanks for posting.
Taking the comercial aspect out of the picture and strict
enforcement of the laws, are really the best hope.



I can only speak for myself. I do not point blame at any one source,
but the lions share of the problem falls on the government. Their
lack of ability to manage the resource and enforce law.

My home waters are in the western Long island sound. For the last
two years they are practically void of life. Last year being the
worst. I love fishing and fishing for striped bass. The quality and
quantity I had in my backyard, I can no longer enjoy. Its gone.

I am not perfect. I do not go to these political hearings. Over the
years, I have watched surfcasters harvest fish over limit. I have
boarded charters and made it a point to limit. My own ignorance
contributed to the fall of the fishery.

Really It would be my preference to be in a moratorium. The 1 fish
per angler is a compromise. Any party who argues that we or they
should have 2 fish per angler is really requesting no change and
frankly does not care about the fishery.

Its a heated issue because we are all in a bad place and we are all to
blame. The fishery is hanging by a thread and some parties seem
interested in taking a knife to whats left.

Thank you .
I still believe there are a lot of factors and most of them have a far greater bearing on the population then going after the charterboats . I just find it interesting that this is where many here have decided to pick thier battle. Their only battle !
It's symbol of a substance and it won't accomplishes anything .
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[puppet]

Originally Posted by buckman

Thank you .
I still believe there are a lot of factors and most of them have a far greater bearing on the population then going after the charterboats . I just find it interesting that this is where many here have decided to pick thier battle. Their only battle !
It's symbol of a substance and it won't accomplishes anything .

I think the issue with the charters has more to do some Captains
claiming a hardship and demanding that their clients need a two fish
limit. At least for me, I do not see that there should be any grey
area. As it is the rules are not enforced...never mind making them
more confusing. There is also the issue of some charters keeping
illegal fish and selling them via black market....not helping matters.

All of us have seen casters haul more than two fish to their car. One
night in montauk, the bite was wide open and the creep next to me
kept every single one. He dragged it to the beach where his mob
would take it away.

There is no question....every group has members that are guilty for
bending the rules.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Well in that case, if CT and MA go to one fish, RISAA should flip-flop-flip-flop back to 1 fish, no...?

you would hope so... it's the risaa committee who supports option #2 not the the membership who i'm sure are against it. maybe risaa should have committee members who speak FOR the membership not their buds and magazine sponsors...just a thought.

[Nebe]

So many charter captians and crew take 2 fish home for every trip they go out on and sell their fish, either on the commercial market when it's open or on the black market when it's closed for around 3.50 a pound whole- a 30 pound fish will yield $100.

This is why they are fighting for the 2 fish limit and this is why they say that they will loose money, but they can't say it publicly. Sad.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

So many charter captians and crew take 2 fish home for every trip they go out on and sell their fish, either on the commercial market when it's open or on the black market when it's closed for around 3.50 a pound whole- a 30 pound fish will yield $100.

This is why they are fighting for the 2 fish limit and this is why they say that they will loose money, but they can't say it publicly. Sad.
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Yeah you got it all figured out
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