How Fake News Is Used to Undermine Trump & Divide America

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Crude innuendo is one of the trademarks of Trump's rhetoric, why is it objectionable when the table is turned?

Trump is usually being more sarcastic than factual. My guess is you're usually being more factual than sarcastic. At any rate, as I've said many times, you're a lot like Trump in ways you would probably not like to admit.

Apparently what I wonder is significant to you, hence your responses.

At some point in a discussion regarding a narcissistic psychopath you realize either:

A) everyone (and every institution) holding the psychopath accountable is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

OR

B) it’s the psychopath who is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

I choose B

He does not fit this clinical definition of a psychopath: "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior."

Sarcastically, he might be considered loony, fruitcake, nutcase, or cuckoo.

It is obvious that you seriously, not sarcastically, consider Trump to be a psychopath. Maybe you're, as you put it, "crazy, immoral and dishonest."

[scottw]

how would we diagnose pete?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your point .. other than money absolves him from his actions as if he was some kind of a saint
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he employed thousands of people
and gave bajillions to charity. but he was a republican, so to you, it’s. not problematic for Maher to say he hopes it was a painful death? seriously? only “saints” deserve a pain free death?

what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?

do you hear yourself? shame
on you.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he employed thousands of people
and gave bajillions to charity. but he was a republican, so to you, it’s. not problematic for Maher to say he hopes it was a painful death? seriously? only “saints” deserve a pain free death?

what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?

do you hear yourself? shame
on you.
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maybe you should read a little history.... excuses for trump now this guy

but George Soros now there's evil .... right ...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

maybe you should read a little history.... excuses for trump now this guy

but George Soros now there's evil .... right ...

i asked you what he did that requires absolution. is there an answer somewhere in your reply?

i don’t excuse trump. you didn’t say anything about what maher said. which one of the two
of us calls out reptiles
on our side, and which won’t?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?

I think the disservice the Koch brothers have done to environmentalism is nearly without a peer in the world of political influence. That being said, even Bin Laden was given a proper burial.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the disservice the Koch brothers have done to environmentalism is nearly without a peer in the world of political influence. That being said, even Bin Laden was given a proper burial.

meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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I just stated it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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he compared Koch to Bin Laden which makes him just as bad as Maher

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i asked you what he did that requires absolution. is there an answer somewhere in your reply?

i don’t excuse trump. you didn’t say anything about what maher said. which one of the two
of us calls out reptiles
on our side, and which won’t?
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Why would I say anything i dont get unhinged when left leaning comedians make unsavoury comments. But i do know that right wing blogers brieightbart love to flood the airwaves with it to yhe base ..yet reptilian comments from our POTUS are absent on these sites or explained away as telling it like it is or hyperbole..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I just stated it.

it was very vague. if foxnews had said that about ginsberg, would
you have been more direct?
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[Pete F.]

If you clutched your pearl necklace too tight, here’s some help.

https://www.pearlclasp.com/pricing-f...ging-services/
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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

he compared Koch to Bin Laden which makes him just as bad as Maher

Not at all.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not at all.

you said koch deserves a proper burial. did you comment specifically on what Maher said?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you clutched your pearl necklace too tight, here’s some help.

https://www.pearlclasp.com/pricing-f...ging-services/
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this from the guy who posts a 10,000 word
manifesto, every time trump acts like a jerk. when anyone else is offended by any liberal, we’re being irrational.

how many anti trump threads have you started here?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

this from the guy who posts a 10,000 word
manifesto, every time trump acts like a jerk. when anyone else is offended by any liberal, we’re being irrational.

how many anti trump threads have you started here?
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Head pearl clutcher,
Don’t worry, I could not possibly keep up with the Tangerine Tornado and his constant display of his lack of knowledge, experience and judgment.

Apparently, I have not presented enough information to enable you to see the Con behind the man.

I’ll get back to work on it.
In the meantime feel free to read George Conway’s twitter feed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gtconway3d
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He does not fit this clinical definition of a psychopath: "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior."

Don't know where you found that, but he does fit this one, and it is easily visible in his behavior if you pay any attention.

What Is a Psychopath?
Posted Jan 30, 2013
The neuroscience of psychopathy reports some intriguing findings.

First, a bit of terminological history to clear up any confusion about the meanings of “sociopath,” “psychopath,” and related terms. In the early 1800s, doctors who worked with mental patients began to notice that some of their patients who appeared outwardly normal had what they termed a “moral depravity” or “moral insanity,” in that they seemed to possess no sense of ethics or of the rights of other people. The term “psychopath” was first applied to these people around 1900. The term was changed to “sociopath” in the 1930s to emphasize the damage they do to society. Currently, researchers have returned to using the term “psychopath.” Some of them use that term to refer to a more serious disorder, linked to genetic traits, which produces more dangerous individuals, while continuing to use “sociopath” to refer to less dangerous people who are seen more as products of their environment, including their upbringing. Other researchers make a distinction between “primary psychopaths,” who are thought to be genetically caused, and “secondary psychopaths,” seen more as a product of their environments.

The current approach to defining psychopathy and the related concepts is to use a list of criteria. The first such list was developed by Hervey Cleckley (1941), who is known as the first person to describe the condition in detail. Anyone fitting enough of these criteria counted as a psychopath or sociopath. There are several such lists in use. The most commonly used is called the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R), developed by Robert Hare and his colleagues. An alternative version, called the Psychopathic Personality Inventory (PPI), was developed in 1996 by Lilienfeld and Andrews.

The book that psychologists and psychiatrists use to categorize and diagnose mental illness, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, contains a category for something called “antisocial personality disorder” (APD), while the World Health Organization delineates a similar category it calls "dissocial personality disorder." These are much broader categories than that of psychopathy. The category of psychopath is seen as included within this category, but considerably smaller so that only roughly 1 in 5 people with APD is a psychopath (Kiehl and Buckholtz, 2010).

If we overlay all of these lists of criteria, we can see them coalescing into the following core set:

Uncaring

The PCL describes psychopaths as being callous and showing a lack of empathy, traits which the PPI describes as “coldheartedness.” The criteria for dissocial personality disorder include a “callous unconcern for the feelings of others.” There are now several lines of evidence that point to the biological grounding for the uncaring nature of the psychopath. For most people, caring is a largely emotion-driven enterprise. The brains of psychopaths have been found to have weak connections among the components of the brain’s emotional systems. These disconnects seem to be responsible for the psychopath’s inability to feel emotions deeply. Psychopaths are also not good at detecting fear in the faces of other people (Blair et al., 2004). The emotion of disgust also plays an important role in our ethical sense. We find certain types of unethical actions disgusting, and this works to keep us from engaging in them and makes us express disapproval of them. But psychopaths have extremely high thresholds for disgust, as measured by their reactions when shown disgusting photos of mutilated faces or exposed to foul odors.

One promising new line of research is based on the discovery of a brain network responsible for understanding the minds of others. Called the default mode network (because it also performs other tasks and is operating most of the time when we are awake), it involves a cluster of several different areas in the brain’s cortex. The first studies have been done on the function of this network in psychopaths, and as expected, there are problems there. Different studies have noted “aberrant functional connectivity” among the parts of the network, along with reduced volume in some of the network's crucial areas.

Shallow emotions

Psychopaths show a lack of emotion, especially social emotions such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment. Cleckley said that the psychopaths he came into contact with showed a “general poverty in major affective reactions” and a “lack of remorse or shame.” The PCL describes psychopaths as “emotionally shallow” and showing a lack of guilt. Psychopaths are notorious for their lack of fear. When normal people are put into an experimental situation where they anticipate that something painful will happen, such as a mild electric shock or a mildly aversive pressure applied to a limb, a brain network activates. Normal people will also show a clear skin conductance response produced by sweat gland activity. In psychopathic subjects, however, this brain network showed no activity, and no skin conductance responses were emitted (Birbaumer et al., 2012).

Irresponsibility

According to Cleckley psychopaths show unreliability, while the PCL mentions “irresponsibility,” and the PPI describes psychopaths as showing “blame externalization” (i.e., they blame others for events that are actually their fault). They may admit blame when forced into a corner, but these admissions are not accompanied by a sense of shame or remorse, and they have no power to change the sociopath’s future behavior.

Insincere speech

Ranging from what the PCL describes as “glibness” and “superficial charm,” to Cleckley’s “untruthfulness” and “insincerity,” to outright “pathological lying,” there is a trend toward devaluing speech among psychopaths by inflating and distorting it toward selfish ends. The criteria for APD include “conning others for personal profit or pleasure.” One concerned father of a young sociopathic woman said, “I can't understand the girl, no matter how hard I try. It's not that she seems bad or exactly that she means to do wrong. She can lie with the straightest face, and after she's found in the most outlandish lies she still seems perfectly easy in her own mind” (Cleckley, 1941, p. 47). This casual use of words may be attributable to what some researchers call a shallow sense of word meaning. Psychopaths do not show the same differential brain response to emotional terms over neutral terms that normal people do (Williamson et al., 1991). They also have trouble understanding metaphors and abstract words.

Overconfidence

The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a “grandiose sense of self worth.” Cleckley speaks frequently of the boastfulness of his patients. Hare (1993) describes an imprisoned sociopath who believed he was a world-class swimmer.

Narrowing of attention

According to Newman and his colleagues, the core deficit in psychopathy is a failure of what they call response modulation (Hiatt and Newman, 2006). When normal people engage in a task, we are able to alter our activity or modulate our responses, depending on relevant peripheral information that appears after the task has begun. Psychopaths are specifically deficient in this ability, and according to Newman, this explains the impulsivity of psychopaths, a trait which shows up in several of the lists of criteria, as well as their problems with passive avoidance and with processing emotions.

Top-down attention tends to be under voluntary control, whereas bottom-up attention happens involuntarily. But bottom-up attention can temporarily capture top-down attention, as when movement in the periphery of our visual field attracts our attention. Psychopaths have trouble using top-down attention to accommodate information that activates bottom-up attention during a task. In normal people, this process tends to happen automatically. When the hunter is scanning for deer, a rabbit hopping into the periphery of his visual field automatically attracts his attention. Top-down attentional processes monitor the field of attention for conflicts and resolve them. The standard task for assessing this is called the Stroop task, in which the subject must state which color words are printed in. The problem is that the words themselves are conflicting color words, such as “red” printed in blue ink, so the subjects must suppress a strong inclination to read the words. There are now several studies indicating that psychopaths actually perform better than normal people on these tasks, perhaps because they are not distracted by the discrepant color (Hiatt et al., 2004; Newman et al., 1997).

Selfishness

Cleckley spoke of his psychopaths showing a “pathologic egocentricity [and incapacity for love],” which is affirmed in the PPI by its inclusion of egocentricity among its criteria. The PCL also mentions a “parasitic lifestyle.”

Inability to plan for the future

Cleckley said that his psychopaths showed a “failure to follow any life plan.” According to the PCL, psychopaths have a “lack of realistic long-term goals,” while the PPI describes them as showing a “carefree nonplanness.”

Violence

The criteria for dissocial personality include: a “very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.” The criteria for antisocial personality disorder include: "irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.”

Philosophers can play a valuable role here in discerning the consequences of all of these findings for our attempts to build an ethical society. Several questions need addressing. What does the possibility that psychopathy is genetic say about human nature? What steps can we take to “correct” psychopaths, and which of these is the most ethical? If it is true that psychopaths have damaged or abnormal brains, can we hold them responsible for what they do? Are there degrees of psychopathy, so that normal people may possess psychopathic traits?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...s-psychopath-0

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Don't know where you found that, but he does fit this one, and it is easily visible in his behavior if you pay any attention.


Uncaring

Trump has shown many, many instances of caring in his personal and presidential life. Remember, also, that whatever information we have about him is dwarfed by what we don't know. To clinically determine personality requires more than conflicting biographies and news reports, especially biased ones. Such as we have of these about Trump conflict with, even diametrically oppose, each other.

Shallow emotions

Psychopaths show a lack of emotion, especially social emotions such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment.

He certainly doesn't seem to have a lack of emotion. And, again we don't know all the details of his life and the number of times he may have shown embarrassment, shame, or guilt. He did show some guilt and embarrassment when he publicly apologized for his pussy grabbing comments

Irresponsibility

So, do you have some huge, comprehensive, dossier on Trump's life which shows that he is a predominantly irresponsible person? I don't know how an irresponsible person could have attained the business successes, including overcoming failure, and then have managed to become President of the U.S.

Insincere speech

He may have a peculiar, somewhat stream of conscious, manner of speaking, but I don't find him to be insincere. He sincerely praises, and sincerely condemns, and sincerely tries to make deals, and he sincerely expresses a love for this country. If you see all of that as insincere, maybe your the one with a problem, a projection problem.

Overconfidence

He certainly is confident. It wasn't overconfidence in believing he could become President. Big egos put a lot o people off. Especially those with small ones. It certainly takes a lot of confidence to do what he has done. Is it overconfidence to try what he has and is trying to do? I see no reason to think so.

Narrowing of attention

He's paying attention to a lot of things, multitasking bigly.

Selfishness

How is he more selfish than most folks. And, again, how do we, can we, even know all the details of his life which might inform us about his selfishness or any other trait? There are several examples of his generosity scattered in the narrow scope of knowledge we have of his personal and presidential life.

Inability to plan for the future

Really? He got to where he is without planning for the future? Being elected President of the most powerful country in the world does not happen strictly by a series of accidents. Many things, have to be planned for and realized along the way before one can even be considered a candidate.

Violence
". . . as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.”

Do you have a verified record of Trump's physical fights or physical assaults? Has this been hidden from us as part of his massive con?

Pete, it is not possible to clinically determine the status of someone's mental health without intensive examination of his whole life, and certainly not without an actual medical and psychological regimen performed on and with the patient.

This diagnosis from a distance, using limited and conflicting "facts" or anecdotes, is a prescription for misrepresenting someone, especially for political reasons.

That your so steeply engrossed in characterizing Trump as a psychopath, racist, alt-right, white nationalist, misogynist, etc., on the flimsy basis of biased reports and articles is not a good sign of your own mental well-being.

[detbuch]

[detbuch]

[Pete F.]

A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.

Does it explain the unkind things Trump has ever done or said to Russia?

e.g.:

Trump criticized Russia for the nerve gas poisoning of the former Russian intelligence agent. He expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the consulate in Seattle.

Trumps military killed 300 Russian troops in Syria. Obama wouldn’t cross his red line in the sand in Syria for fear of antagonizing Russia.

Trump provided lethal weapons to Ukraine. When Ukraine asked Obama for weapons after Russia invaded, he sent food.

Trump placed some sanctions on Russia for the election interference.

[Pete F.]

Ah, it’s Obama’s fault.
Did he also make him go to the oligarchs for funding?
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[Sea Dangles]

I am just happy to see something done about the opioid crisis. F big pharma and a president who helped spur it on.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ah, it’s Obama’s fault.
Did he also make him go to the oligarchs for funding?

Wasn't trying to bring in the notion of "fault." Since you did, was it Obama's "fault" that he was nicer to the Russians in those cases than Trump was?

I was asking if the alleged oligarchs thing was also the reason for Trump doing unkind things to the Russians. As usual, you deflect.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Does it explain the unkind things Trump has ever done or said to Russia?

e.g.:

Trump criticized Russia for the nerve gas poisoning of the former Russian intelligence agent. He expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the consulate in Seattle.
The diplomats he expelled have been replaced by others, it was not a force reduction, so it sounds good but little effect. Typical Trump

Trumps military killed 300 Russian troops in Syria. Obama wouldn’t cross his red line in the sand in Syria for fear of antagonizing Russia.
Quite Trumpy of you to add 50% to the number of Mercenaries killed by US in Syria, and since when are people not expendable to Putin?

Trump provided lethal weapons to Ukraine. When Ukraine asked Obama for weapons after Russia invaded, he sent food.

He sent nonlethal support, Ukraine is not a NATO member and was invaded because they were going to sign a association agreement with the EU and Russia was concerned that after that they would face more than sanctions if they annexed Crimea. Trump is willing to think of that as water over the dam. Our allies are not.

Trump placed some sanctions on Russia for the election interference.

Some is the operative word, the sanctions Trump imposed have been largely ineffective, Russian GDP as not been decreased, Energy earnings have increased and the people in positions of power are not suffering. Things that are much more effective could be done, but the WH and Moscow Mitch stand in the way.

Originally Posted by detbuch

Wasn't trying to bring in the notion of "fault." Since you did, was it Obama's "fault" that he was nicer to the Russians in those cases than Trump was?

I was asking if the alleged oligarchs thing was also the reason for Trump doing unkind things to the Russians. As usual, you deflect.

Trump does the "unkind things" he is told to do by Putin.
Follow the money, and you will find who is Trump's true controller.
Trump's taxes, the Deutsche Banks documents and other business records will tell the tale.
Was Trump's calling of others treasonous, projection?

[scottw]

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun

Trump is melting down......Fox has realized he's a losing proposition and wants to get rid of it's state news reputation.

Just watched @FoxNews heavily promoting the Democrats through their DNC Communications Director, spewing out whatever she wanted with zero pushback by anchor, @SandraSmithFox. Terrible considering that Fox couldn’t even land a debate, the Dems give them NOTHING! @CNN& @MSNBC....
....are all in for the Open Border Socialists (or beyond). Fox hires“give Hillary the questions” @donnabrazile, Juan Williams and low ratings Shep Smith. HOPELESS & CLUELESS! They should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win - That’s what I do, Win. Too Bad!....
....I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun

Somewhere Pete F. has a friend,and whoever that man is he is very concerned with Pete’s behavior.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The diplomats he expelled have been replaced by others, it was not a force reduction, so it sounds good but little effect. Typical Trump

But it was not a nice thing.


Quite Trumpy of you to add 50% to the number of Mercenaries killed by US in Syria, and since when are people not expendable to Putin?

But it was not a nice thing.

He sent nonlethal support, Ukraine is not a NATO member and was invaded because they were going to sign a association agreement with the EU and Russia was concerned that after that they would face more than sanctions if they annexed Crimea. Trump is willing to think of that as water over the dam. Our allies are not.

But it was not a nice thing.

Some is the operative word, the sanctions Trump imposed have been largely ineffective, Russian GDP as not been decreased, Energy earnings have increased and the people in positions of power are not suffering. Things that are much more effective could be done, but the WH and Moscow Mitch stand in the way.

But it was not a nice thing.

Trump does the "unkind things" he is told to do by Putin.
Follow the money, and you will find who is Trump's true controller.
Trump's taxes, the Deutsche Banks documents and other business records will tell the tale.
Was Trump's calling of others treasonous, projection?

Putin told him to do those not nice things? Wow, this conspiracy of yours is getting real deep.