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spence · 06-04-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

The media has been quite for awhile now. Things are doing much better over there.If you have anyone close to you, that is over there, they will tell you the same thing. History will prove we did the right thing. Then you Dems will take credit for it somehow.

Over there?

You mean how Egypt has slid further away from Democracy?

How Iran is exploiting our weakened global position to persue nukes?

How Saudia Arabia continues to oppress women while we enrich their kingdom?

And this is all worth 4,000+ dead and a trillion dollars siezed from the US Taxpayer in a marketing scheme and borrored from a communist government?

Yes, there have been meaningful advances made in Iraq, but we have to date seen little that indicates the Iraqi's are capable of running a government on their own. The very same sectarian divide that Saddam kept quiet under an iron fist is still there waiting to explode.

Our International standing (read LEVERAGE) is still in the dumper, and even more so with the fall of the US Dollar.

And with all of this, America, the great nation she is is still the best place in the world (unlike some, I don't expect to be speaking Farsii any time soon).

Best case for the Bush legacy is that he's remembered as an incompetent dope who poisoned his administration with other equally incompetent dopes and arrogant, fanatic idiologues. How the pragmatic voices of reason were time and time again tossed aside in favor of those who would tow the line, and use every issue as campaign fodder without regard to impact of the American way of life.

Worst case is that either McCain or Obama makes great strides to rebuild the American brand, which I think either is capable of doing, as this will wipe Bush's folly's with a neon highlighter.

-spence

JohnR · 06-04-2008, 07:09 AM

And the media has still been quiet about the situation with our troops on the ground. Regardless of whether going in was foolish or not, the sad fact is the Bush Admin & Rummy made one colossal upgefucht after another over there. But a lot of hard work and good leadership by our troops has made a positive impact and due to the Surge, the corner may have been turned for good. But that does not get mentioned.

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Originally Posted by spence

Over there?

You mean how Egypt has slid further away from Democracy?

How Iran is exploiting our weakened global position to persue nukes?

How Saudia Arabia continues to oppress women while we enrich their kingdom?

And this is all worth 4,000+ dead and a trillion dollars siezed from the US Taxpayer in a marketing scheme and borrored from a communist government?

Yes, there have been meaningful advances made in Iraq, but we have to date seen little that indicates the Iraqi's are capable of running a government on their own. The very same sectarian divide that Saddam kept quiet under an iron fist is still there waiting to explode.

Our International standing (read LEVERAGE) is still in the dumper, and even more so with the fall of the US Dollar.

And with all of this, America, the great nation she is is still the best place in the world (unlike some, I don't expect to be speaking Farsii any time soon).

Best case for the Bush legacy is that he's remembered as an incompetent dope who poisoned his administration with other equally incompetent dopes and arrogant, fanatic idiologues. How the pragmatic voices of reason were time and time again tossed aside in favor of those who would tow the line, and use every issue as campaign fodder without regard to impact of the American way of life.

Worst case is that either McCain or Obama makes great strides to rebuild the American brand, which I think either is capable of doing, as this will wipe Bush's folly's with a neon highlighter.

-spence

spence · 06-04-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

And the media has still been quiet about the situation with our troops on the ground. Regardless of whether going in was foolish or not, the sad fact is the Bush Admin & Rummy made one colossal upgefucht after another over there. But a lot of hard work and good leadership by our troops has made a positive impact and due to the Surge, the corner may have been turned for good. But that does not get mentioned.

I completely disagree.

The media has covered the Surge at length over the past year. I've seen it in print, online and on the evening shows. I've seen the positive elements of the Surge reported as well as the tenuous elements reported. Helped = yes, worked = not so quick.

Granted it's not a daily front page story, but there are other issues like elections, the economy and Lindsey Lohan who deserve their time.

This is just more media baiting from the right wing.

-spence

buckman · 06-04-2008, 01:38 PM

No, but if you think you can reason with these kind and gentle folks then have at it. Tell me again why they attacked us, so I can understand how the pacifist would have handled things. We did get attacked didn't we?

likwid · 06-04-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

No, but if you think you can reason with these kind and gentle folks then have at it. Tell me again why they attacked us, so I can understand how the pacifist would have handled things. We did get attacked didn't we?

No?

But its "us" against "them" so does "them" mean "all of them"?

Maybe some of them?
Maybe a minority of them?

Which is it?

Should we go burn down the Arch Diocses of Boston because a couple priests were kiddie touchers?

buckman · 06-04-2008, 02:58 PM

I am just keeping myself busy untill the freaking boat yard finishes my boat. And the bass are everywhere!!!

likwid · 06-04-2008, 03:02 PM

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I am just keeping myself busy untill the freaking boat yard finishes my boat. And the bass are everywhere!!!

Maybe if you learned to work on it yourself you wouldn't have this issue?

buckman · 06-04-2008, 03:07 PM

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Maybe if you learned to work on it yourself you wouldn't have this issue?

I have been told to never touch anything with a motor, by people who know better.

likwid · 06-04-2008, 03:35 PM

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I have been told to never touch anything with a motor, by people who know better.

Thats because they want your money.
Get a manual and sack up!

buckman · 06-04-2008, 03:42 PM

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Thats because they want your money.
Get a manual and sack up!

It was my brother and he works for free

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 03:08 PM

forklift flats of cash I might add

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 03:10 PM

forklift flats of cash, that is no longer taxpayer money, but money fresh off the printing press, subtract any accounting practices.

Billions unnacounted for!!! No paper trail.

If thats gonna be Obama's approach, the current pube administration laid down the framework.

buckman · 06-04-2008, 03:23 PM

Well it must be working. The shooting and bombing has slowed down. How about we give Israel, Cambridge and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Will Harvard sell it maybe?

likwid · 06-04-2008, 03:29 PM

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How about we give Israel, Cambridge and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Will Harvard sell it maybe?

They already have Newton and Chestnut Hill....

buckman · 06-04-2008, 03:33 PM

And Hollywood

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 03:49 PM

The bombing and shooting has slowed....hmmmm...yeah, but its still an occupation? Still rampant corruption? You still have a government incapable of providing basic civil services to its people and there isnt much we can do for them either, except pay them borrowed money.

...but saying things have slowed and are hence better, is like a patient undergoing an unnecessary, unplanned, unstructured surgery that proves to be disastrous at the hands of doctor covering his malpracticing @$$ by saying I have minimized some (but not all) of the blood loss.

fishsmith · 06-04-2008, 03:56 PM

Good read gent's keep it up.

as of now, I'm voting for Mccain.

But with the economy and war, it will really be a kick in the @ss if the Dems can't take over the oval office.

buckman · 06-04-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

The bombing and shooting has slowed....hmmmm...yeah, but its still an occupation? Still rampant corruption? You still have a government incapable of providing basic civil services to its people and there isnt much we can do for them either, except pay them borrowed money.

...but saying things have slowed and are hence better, is like a patient undergoing an unnecessary, unplanned, unstructured surgery that proves to be disastrous at the hands of doctor covering his malpracticing @$$ by saying I have minimized some (but not all) of the blood loss.

Your not a glass is half full kind of guy are you. Anything positive to say at all ? If we leave what's your plan or your prognosis? Doctor

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 03:50 PM

...yet the patients condition, remains unstabilized

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 04:07 PM

vote Obama

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 04:08 PM

no but seriously, its a lose, lose situation-

refer to the powell doctrine

EarnedStripes44 · 06-04-2008, 04:10 PM

and with respect to the glass half full- I didnt really want to drink anyway. I voted for Gore.

buckman · 06-04-2008, 04:17 PM

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and with respect to the glass half full- I didnt really want to drink anyway. I voted for Gore.

Now I am shocked. Do your neighbors know.

buckman · 06-04-2008, 04:15 PM

Remember it's not the President, it's the Cabinet he picks that makes the decisions. History has proved thet over and over. I don't think Obama has the power to pick his own Cabinet. McCain will and he has earned the right more then anyone in the recent past to be President. Obama has only been a junior senator for 3 years and he has spent most of that time running for President.

Nebe · 06-04-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

Remember it's not the President, it's the Cabinet he picks that makes the decisions. History has proved thet over and over. I don't think Obama has the power to pick his own Cabinet. McCain will and he has earned the right more then anyone in the recent past to be President. Obama has only been a junior senator for 3 years and he has spent most of that time running for President.

agreed 100%

RIROCKHOUND · 06-04-2008, 04:52 PM

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agreed 100%

Seconded, the president should be a LEADER, which I believe Obama to be.
I also think Obama is smart enough to realize that given his age and experience, he needs to surround himself with the best cabinet he can, and given the state of things, I think he'll have his pick of the D's and I's (and hell, maybe some centerist R's) for his cabinet...

Nebe · 06-04-2008, 04:56 PM

I feel like no one told bush how the cabinet system worked.. he simply invited a bunch of lobbyists to serve him

buckman · 06-04-2008, 05:00 PM

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Seconded, the president should be a LEADER, which I believe Obama to be.
I also think Obama is smart enough to realize that given his age and experience, he needs to surround himself with the best cabinet he can, and given the state of things, I think he'll have his pick of the D's and I's (and hell, maybe some centerist R's) for his cabinet...

Sounds like one big happy Cabinet. Only he is the most left leaning Dem we have seen in a long time. He is a smooth talking con man. He stands for all the same retoric that every Dem runs on. Sounds like he has all the experience of Duval. Hmm, how does Secretary of The Interior sound Patrick my friend.

RIROCKHOUND · 06-04-2008, 05:02 PM

Yeah.
because GWB's cabinet wasn't the gold old boys club of his fathers administration + Condi.
Rummsfeld, Cheney? Surprised Quayle didn't get an invite to the party.

ANYTHING would be an improvement then now. Hell, McCain would probably be a small step up over GWB, at least he believes in climate change......

buckman · 06-04-2008, 05:13 PM

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Yeah.
because GWB's cabinet wasn't the gold old boys club of his fathers administration + Condi.
Rummsfeld, Cheney? Surprised Quayle didn't get an invite to the party.

ANYTHING would be an improvement then now. Hell, McCain would probably be a small step up over GWB, at least he believes in climate change......

I would not say anything would be an improvement. Obama would be a huge threat to our country. With the dems in charge of everything and the justice appointments they would make, We would make the french look like conservatives.

I think Bush believes that man is having a impact on global climate he is just not willing to sell out America, to appease a bunch of anti-American tree huggers. Give up your own car, boat and heating system. Some 3rd world nation trying to become us, can use your carbon credits.