Obama goes to Hiroshima, and naturally, screws it up

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

no grudge or hate.....things turned out as well for the Japanese as could have been expected given all that transpired and what may have been.... same for the Germans


seems like racism and hate must play a part in the narrative to help maintain it for some

[scottw]

if Obama wants to be productive and make some "CHANGE" before he goes on permanent vacation...he should put his nose in the air and fly on over to his hometown and drop a little of that professorial brilliance on an area that he is actually familiar with and that truly needs it


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[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

Obama hate is like a drug, some people just can't get enough of it.

It's not like Japan is one of the biggest US allies. Hell I think the favor ability ratings of the US in Japan are higher than here.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

First you denied that he said "evil". Now, you're saying...I don't know what... but you are claiming that by "evil", Obama wasn't referring to our dropping the bomb. His whole speech was about nukes, and the people who died at Hiroshima, and the death fell from above, duh duh duh.

First you didn't understand what Obama said, then you didn't understand what I said, now you don't even appear to understand what you're trying to say...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Use of the word hate is like a drug, some people just can't get enough of it.

fixed it

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

if you see theses as equal you dont understand how it changed the world and warfare for ever

Do you think the loss of millions, including a million Americans, was worth the delay of the bomb by a few more years?

How many people would be missing from out networks of family and friends without the bomb?

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Do you think the loss of millions, including a million Americans, was worth the delay of the bomb by a few more years?

How many people would be missing from out networks of family and friends without the bomb?

John I have said I dont have an issue with the bomb ending the war I have no doubt it saved many lives ... and returned Men to their families

But I know a field test of a new weapon system when I see one.. the bomb served several different rolls and what a better choice than the less than human Japanese hell our Government did this not to its people of European descent .. But to those who they felt inferior

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment ("Tuskegee" = /tʌsˈkiːɡiː/)[1] was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service studying the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government.[1]

I just have a hard time understanding why after 71 years people can't see things for what they are not how they appeared 71 years ago .. Japan wont apologize for the same reason people here think Obama Apologized or he shouldn't Nationalism and thats what caused WW2

even snopes calls it http://www.snopes.com/obama-apology-hiroshima/

[scottw]

oh boy...

[Nebe]

I wonder when and who the new rail gun gets tested on ?
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[Fly Rod]

WDMSO....we know and it is fact that obama did not apologize....we would have never dropped the 2nd bomb if japan surrendered after the first bomb,they were given the chance to surrender.... that is Y we waited till 3 days.... do not blame it on that they were the yellow race.... we were not the first to start testing neutrons etc:, the germans were, they did not have resources to develope the bomb...once President Roosevelt found out he put a rush order for the U.S. to develope it as we all know is the manhatten project and to B the first to have it.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

WDMSO....we know and it is fact that obama did not apologize....we would have never dropped the 2nd bomb if japan surrendered after the first bomb,they were given the chance to surrender.... that is Y we waited till 3 days.... do not blame it on that they were the yellow race.... we were not the first to start testing neutrons etc:, the germans were, they did not have resources to develope the bomb...once President Roosevelt found out he put a rush order for the U.S. to develope it as we all know is the manhatten project and to B the first to have it.

I am just saying if you dont think that yellow Race had nothing to do with with dropping the bomb , along with other consideration your willfully blind thats all

[Fly Rod]

BLIND....maybe as I walk across the street with a Q stick, no wonder cars do not stop for me its suppose to B red tipped, I will have to change from the blue chalk to red....

UUUUUU only assume the yellow race....we will never know if we would have used it on germany since they surrendered in May 1945 and the bomb was not tested till July 1945....the yellow myth is yours alone....imagine if we lost thousands of military invading the main land of japan and we the public(Americans) new that we had the bomb the uproar that would have caused and maybe congress & Truman thrown out of power

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John I have said I dont have an issue with the bomb ending the war I have no doubt it saved many lives ... and returned Men to their families

But I know a field test of a new weapon system when I see one.. the bomb served several different rolls and what a better choice than the less than human Japanese hell our Government did this not to its people of European descent .. But to those who they felt inferior

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment ("Tuskegee" = /tʌsˈkiːɡiː/)[1] was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service studying the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government.[1]

I just have a hard time understanding why after 71 years people can't see things for what they are not how they appeared 71 years ago .. Japan wont apologize for the same reason people here think Obama Apologized or he shouldn't Nationalism and thats what caused WW2

even snopes calls it http://www.snopes.com/obama-apology-hiroshima/

I didn't see an apology either but what I did see was an American President trashing a potential future President on a foreign land . I'm sick of this narrsisis talking crap about past and future Presidents . It's the least Presidential thing he could do .
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I am just saying if you dont think that yellow Race had nothing to do with with dropping the bomb , along with other consideration your willfully blind thats all

Borrowing a verbal twist from Nebe, one might say racism "is overrated." In that the notion of superiority in some form or other exists universally in all cultures, races, and modes of living, it is too convenient to dredge it up, a priori, as the reason for doing bad things to "the other." That it might play some role, maximal or minimal, could be such a common, nearly constant, perceived truism as to be what Spence would call "old news."

But, despite the common thread of "mine is best" in all races, there are variations in the importance and expression of racial superiority in different cultures. "Yellow cultures" such as in China and Japan seem to have had a higher quotient and more severe expression of racial superiority, than have most "white" or "black" cultures. Arabic cultures might also rank higher in perceived self importance and superiority. All three, Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic, are very exclusive in the lands which they own. And all, especially the Japanese and Arabic, have been draconian in punishments they have inflicted on "the other."

How much racism played in our dropping of the bombs on Japan is hard, probably impossible, other than just assuming it existed, to define. Do you have some definitive documentation, some uncovered admission from on high that being "yellow" really mattered? That if Japanese where "white" we wouldn't have dropped the bomb?

[Nebe]

We never would have used it on Germany.
"Yellow race" aside, the Japanese culture back then was to fight to the death. Germans were more civilized and would have surrendered sooner or later. Japan though.. Different story. Had we invaded mainland Japan, the losses would have been in the hundreds of thousands.
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[wdmso]

The wartime America was clearly racist towards the "Japs". The racism made the decision a little easy. But, racism alone is not a big factor.

I think I have said that several times


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rea...-lives/5308192

The most illuminating perspective, however, comes from top World War II American military leaders. The conventional wisdom that the atomic bomb saved a million lives is so widespread that … most Americans haven’t paused to ponder something rather striking to anyone seriously concerned with the issue: Not only did most top U.S. military leaders think the bombings were unnecessary and unjustified, many were morally offended by what they regarded as the unnecessary destruction of Japanese cities and what were essentially noncombat populations. Moreover, they spoke about it quite openly and publicly.

The US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US air force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. He later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb”. His foreign policy colleagues were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.” The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.

Weapons test


Sorry men I just dont make this stuff up

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sorry men I just dont make this stuff up

maybe John Pilger does

coined the verb "to pilger", defined as: to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017234336

[The Dad Fisherman]

I think assuming racist motivations to dropping the bombs is a little short sighted.

The Germans thought they were the superior race or Master Race

The Japanese referred to themselves as an Empire as they felt they were the Superior people on the planet.

I think the choice for dropping it on them might have something to do with the fact that they attacked us on our soil first. Americans were pretty outraged by that.

Our outrage at Germany didn't hit home until they surrendered and we started to discover all the death camps and what Hitler had been doing.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I think the choice for dropping it on them might have something to do with the fact that they attacked us on our soil first. Americans were pretty outraged by that.

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That's my feeling. Also there was the feeling that they weren't going to give up. I have read recently that some people feel they would have given up shortly but even if they did it still would have cost thousands of American lives.
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[wdmso]

And the us government infected black americans.. The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male,under the guise of receiving free health care

he 40-year study was controversial for reasons related to ethical standards because researchers knowingly failed to treat patients appropriately after the 1940s validation of penicillin as an effective cure for the disease they were studying.

No chance that racism had anything to do with this either...

Seems people still wont accept the smallest possibility that ..wartime America was clearly racist towards the "Japs". not Just angry and That racism made the decision a little easier. and clearly racism alone was not a big factor. for dropping the bomb.
And we only moved 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry who had lived on the Pacific coast. Sixty-two percent of the internees were United States citizens. for security reasons race had nothing to do with it i understand time to move on

[wdmso]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...periments-dies


Cavell was a 19-year-old Navy recruit fresh out of boot camp in 1945 when a commanding officer offered the chance to participate in a "special program." The officer gave few details, but said volunteers would get two weeks' vacation and an award in exchange for participating.

"We were just a bunch of young kids. We didn't know any better," Cavell told NPR last year.

not a chance this happened either testing Americans But the Abomb was just to end the war nothing more

[Sea Dangles]

Another conspiracy

Another conspiracy theorist

Well done,please find out who really shot Kennedy after you reveal we actually took down the world trade.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems people still wont accept the smallest possibility that ..wartime America was clearly racist towards the "Japs".

Japanese is not a race.....it's people who live in Japan.

American isn't a race, correct.

The term "racist" has completely lost it meaning from over/mis-use.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Japanese is not a race.....it's people who live in Japan.

American isn't a race, correct.

The term "racist" has completely lost it meaning from over/mis-use.
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Only if your looking at by todays Standards in the 40's it was different

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/...D-controversy/

taking in the late 1930 till 1950's

There was an attempt in this census only to obtain figures for “Mex” (Mexicans), who were defined as “all persons born in Mexico, or having parents born in Mexico, who were not definitely White, Negro, Indian, Chinese, or Japanese.”

In 1940, the only change was the elimination of the “Mex” category, and Mexicans “were to be listed as White unless they were definitely Indian or some race other than White.”

In 1950, the census form listed the following categories: “White (W), Negro (Neg), American Indian (Ind), Japanese (Jap), Chinese (Chi), Filipino (Fil),” and other races to be spelled out. Note that the form did not contain the term “Black.”

https://artifactsjournal.missouri.ed...nce-of-racism/

another conspiracy theory article

here are a few others

Asbestos is really safe
There are mountains of scientific evidence that asbestos is extremely dangerous to humans. It causes cancer and kills more than 12,000 people every year.

Trump, however, considers the substance a safe and effective fire retardant.

There is no drought in California
Donald Trump told an audience in Fresno that “there is no drought” in California. According to Trump, the state has plenty of water but it’s being held hostage by environmentalists in government. The idea that the government is engineering the drought was popularized by professional conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.
California, in fact, is facing a severe drought of historic proportions that covers nearly 95% of the state.

Climate change a hoax invented by the Chinese
Donald Trump has repeatedly called climate change a hoax, often implicating the Chinese.The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

[Sea Dangles]

This actually belongs in Slips Monsanto thread,pay attention.

Of course it is Trumps fault,next thing you know he will be stealing gifts from the White House. Oh,wait a sec...
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[scottw]

I think I'm starting to understand

[Duke41]

The Japanese got what there actions caused to happen. Sneak attack, killing POWS, murdering civilians, Bonzai attacks, a no surrender culture and a county (US) sick of war and ready to nuke them. So be it.

[Nebe]

Mecca is next.
#gotrump



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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The wartime America was clearly racist towards the "Japs". The racism made the decision a little easy. But, racism alone is not a big factor.

I think I have said that several times

Why say it at all? Since just about everybody else on the planet (except you apparently) has some inherent notion of superiority regarding their "race" or culture or team or neighborhood or country or ethnicity or style of life or diet or point of view, or etc., or etc., or etc., and since "race" according to the article you posted can mean country of origin, or nationality, or ethnicity, or color, or other (take your pick--no doubt it will soon become a matter of self-identification in an infinite variation of transrace as in transgender by which you can define your "race" by preferred genotype, phenotype, social type, IQ type, athletic type, weight type, or any preference type that you desire), how then can "race," ergo "racism" not be a factor, no matter how little, in any relation to "the other"?

That "racism" (especially in the expanding limits of definition) is always lurking in the muck of human consciousness, its distinction as a relevant motivator has to be more than that it exists. You can be racist against Japanese, but have no desire to kill them. You can even love or admire them. (All of the "white" generals in your article said that it was unnecessary or immoral to drop the bomb, even though being white no doubt made them racist). I think the vast residuum of latent "racism," in the spectrum of human relations, is harmless. It can be a motivation to kill, but that requires more than that it exists.

Mentioning it as a factor in dropping the bomb is unnecessary unless you have an unexpressed agenda. Did racism exist when the Japanese tortured and beheaded Americans in front of the other American prisoners? The Japanese would have to have been exceptional to not have racist impulses. But is that why they did it? That line of thinking implies all wars, murders, harms done against "the other" are motivated by "racism." Granted, we have progressed to the understanding in the U.S. that if "white" people do it, it's racism. But if "the other" does it, it apparently isn't racism.

Peculiar also in the article you posted that "yellow" folks can have various racial descriptions such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, but "white" folks don't have French, English, Polish, etc. as racial identifiers. There is something "racist" about that. Or its just sloppy.
As TDF said, the term "racism" (as well as "race") has been so overused and misused that it has lost meaning.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

As TDF said, the term "racism" (as well as "race") has been so overused and misused that it has lost meaning.

you can add 'hate" the the list of overused and abused to the point that it has lost meaning....

I think we already have "transrace" as an option and in a high profile way
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/was...dolezal-naacp/