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Old 09-11-2004, 04:11 PM   #1
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Vote for my dad, he did 21 years inc 2 FULL years of river patrol in Nam.

Also he was not dumb enough to shot himself while he was there like one of our candidates did.

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Old 09-11-2004, 07:03 PM   #2
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You both can thank a veteran (combat veteran) for being able to sit at your computor in a free society and say what you both want without fear of repercusion.

I had a close friend who was a 1st Lt. on a swift boat from East Bridgewater. I distinctly remember every moment I spent with him. He was very solemn quiet guy. I am sure he went through hell just as every person serving in Vietnam did. Many of the fellows I work with served over there. One guy we call agent orange (jokingly)ecause it refers to his uncontrolable temper tantrums he suffers from relating still to his PTSD all these years later. He was a point man in his marine unit for twelve months.

My point here is no one who really saw any action and had to shoot anyone and knows that the person they shot died would
everreally talk about. Its just something that no true combat veteran would do, whether his service was in Vietnam or anywhere else in a time when our soldiers fought. Nobody certainly,unless an ulterior motive was afoot and a plan hatched would ever have someone follow them around with an 8 mm camera taking black and white home movies of them walking around with a m16 in there hands. Kerry used his cohorts then and he is using them now. The only thing my buddie brought home was a one and two quart a day Cheves Regal problem. No 8 mm films and I'll bet my friend got into more dung than Kerry did.

W has his problems too. He did what every other kid in the guard did, screw off. But at least hedidn't run to Canada like so many cowardsdid then and would now if their number was drawn in a draft lottery. W never held up his servicerecord to everyones scrutinylike Kerry stupidly did. I mean you can't serve in Vietnam, use that service to get elected to public office, and then turn around and say my buddies were murderers.If his buddies were murderers so wasn't Kerry.

I think the government should bring back the draft. That would separate the men from the cowards. Men are respected and cowards are not. It is easy to draw a line in the sand between those two kinds of people. Everyone wants to hang out with men and no one would be caught near a coward.

Their is much to much gray area now. To many people and groups justify the failure of so many people doing things that in the near past we consider socially unacceptable. Things both minor and major in nature. To many people turn their backs and walk away from abhorent behavior if it doesn't directly impact them. Let the other guy do something about it. Let him stand up for me and if he doesn't oh well. If I stick my head in the sand a little further I wont see whats going on. Kerry has been doing just that since he was elected to his first public office. He hasn't done anything in Washington. He hasn't done anything to get himself in trouble. That was and is his sole purpose the last twelve years, don't get into trouble and find every running TV camera nearby.

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Old 09-11-2004, 08:13 PM   #3
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We need to move back to a system where politicians look to help the country before they look to help their own party interests.
And there in lies the answer.Only problem is, that takes Satesmen not politicians.When was the last time you saw a politician not vote his own wallet or go the easy route rather then lose votes?I am afraid it is almost impossible to get a true Statesman into a high office because by the time they get there they owe all the favors that got them there.So the politicians win by promising their constiuents a pot in every kitchen and a chicken in every pot, their party, and others ,the favors that got them there. We aren't much better, as we vote for the guy who is going to put the biggest chicken in our pot and continue to vote our own wallet.
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Old 09-11-2004, 08:29 PM   #4
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W has his problems too. He did what every other kid in the guard did, screw off. But at least hedidn't run to Canada like so many cowardsdid then and would now if their number was drawn in a draft lottery. W never held up his servicerecord to everyones scrutinylike Kerry stupidly did. I mean you can't serve in Vietnam, use that service to get elected to public office, and then turn around and say my buddies were murderers.If his buddies were murderers so wasn't Kerry.

Are you implying that Bush is not trying to win votes with war? He rode in a jet after Shock and Awe. He has a controversial campaign ad taking credit for sending teams to the Olympics. Iraq and Afghanistan sportsmen plea that he remove it, but I see it everyday. And if using war wasn't important to Bush why would the Bush campaign pressure swift boat vets to ruin Kerry's war reputation? Didn't one of Bush's campaign staff resigned and admitted that the Bush campaign was pressuring Kerry's vet collegues to lie?

Honestly, I don't think Bush would win this year as more youths and minorities are voting. And today's youths and minorities tend to have the democratic state of mind.

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Honestly, I don't think Bush would win this year as more youths and minorities are voting. And today's youths and minorities tend to have the democratic state of mind.

Yea they are mostly friggen morons. Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact. Not to mention MTV is sooooooo far left its sickening....Wounder if that has a lot to do with why young poeple vote Dem Thats the ONLY point of view most of them know.
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I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...
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I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...
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hey! We agree on something!
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Old 09-12-2004, 04:25 PM   #9
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i heard of women voting because clinton looked good? WTF

at least with KERRY we shouldn't have to worry about that LOL
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Old 09-13-2004, 12:27 AM   #10
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Yea they are mostly friggen morons. Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact. Not to mention MTV is sooooooo far left its sickening....Wounder if that has a lot to do with why young poeple vote Dem Thats the ONLY point of view most of them know.
And voting for Bush is the intelligent thing? Bush has no brain cells! This is a man who on inauguration announce that the US will be going into a recession, which Allen Greenspan wasn't too fond of.

You cannot come out being 'against' gays, pro choice and hope to win votes from the youths.

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Im 24 years old and trust me i know the kind of people my age that will be voting for Kerry. They are some sad SOB's! Uninformed and believe most of the Liberal talking points and what they here on the news they assume is totally fact.
Skip N and you're so intelligent yourself? You sound like a guy that watches too much Fox News.

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Old 09-13-2004, 07:11 AM   #11
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I always joke around with my friends that the best president would be someone who really didnt want to be president.. just a normal intelegent person elected by the people.. George washington dodnt want to be president, but his contemporaries urged him into it...
I Agree w/ that also....But unfortunately that will never happen.

Those kind of people are to Smart to run. They don't want there entire Personal Life disembowled, or their Integrity completely destroyed, By the Media and the other Party's Campaign antics.

You notice I didn't specify a party as they are both pretty digusting in my opinion as to how they tear down each other.

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