Is this America?

[Raven]

i believe that world wide and here in America there has to be some form of population control other than voluntary .
It's never really talked about...

but in reality ....we are ALL on a need to know basis... not wanting a society that is in a full state of PANIC which is - feared (controlled) the most by government.

so when natural disasters strike it's a necessary evil you could say, to allow
a certain number of citizens to expire for the good of the rest and or the planet.

the government has many worst case scenario's in place were there to be a
major attack ...a cataclysmic EVENT such as a meteor strike or mega volcanic blast that launches us into a nuclear winter or permanent darkened sky....
there will only be a small segment of the population that will be manageable...or survive....
in a underground city - living off of stored provisions until it's safe again
if ever.

[Hooper]

Interesting thread....

I try to stay out of the political topics on this board, they get pretty hot sometimes and I would rather not draw fire if I can help it. But....


I voted for Bush twice and I have to say, I am not proud of it. Not just based on this event, or Iraq, but the cumulative effect of his Presidency. I supported him when friends and family would criticize his speech, dim wittedness, whatever.....but I can't do that anymore.

The working stiffs, like most of us, are working harder and harder and we bring home less and less. I am dismayed at where our country is heaing right now, really really dimayed about it. I don't see good days ahead for America. It is sad, I used to be optomistic about most things; I can't do that anymore.

My blood boiled when I heard President Bush, after being briefed by the various disaster relief organizations on his trip south, say (I'm loosely quoting this) "Senator Lott lost his home, but it will be rebuilt and it wil be beautiful, lookin' forward to sittin on his deck,too"

Reminded me of his father, when he first learned about checkout scanners at grocery stores.... these damn politicians don't know what work is or what is means to live in the real world today.... anyways, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs.

Am I wrong here????

[spence]

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

[Homerun04]

I couldn't have said it better myself, Spence....perhaps we are not really that far apart after all.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

I couldn't have said it better myself, Spence....perhaps we are not really that far apart after all.....

I never thought we were, you just keep taking the longer road for some reason

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

i owe you 2 dannies for that one

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

When I was mentioning revolution in another thread (started by Flaptail I think) this is exactly what I'm talking about.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

blah, blah, blah blah blah bah blah blah

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by piemma

blah, blah, blah blah blah bah blah blah

"blah humbug"- ebenezer

[Homerun04]

"blah humbug"- ebenezer

While I may not agree with Piemma at times, I believe it is "Mr. Ebenezer" to you Eben....after all, if my memory serves me correct, Mr. Piemma is a veteran.......see, I don't forget.

[spence]

Piemma just thinks I've been a tad bombastic of late

-spence

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Hooper

Interesting thread....

I try to stay out of the political topics on this board, they get pretty hot sometimes and I would rather not draw fire if I can help it. But....


I voted for Bush twice and I have to say, I am not proud of it. Not just based on this event, or Iraq, but the cumulative effect of his Presidency. I supported him when friends and family would criticize his speech, dim wittedness, whatever.....but I can't do that anymore.

The working stiffs, like most of us, are working harder and harder and we bring home less and less. I am dismayed at where our country is heaing right now, really really dimayed about it. I don't see good days ahead for America. It is sad, I used to be optomistic about most things; I can't do that anymore.

My blood boiled when I heard President Bush, after being briefed by the various disaster relief organizations on his trip south, say (I'm loosely quoting this) "Senator Lott lost his home, but it will be rebuilt and it wil be beautiful, lookin' forward to sittin on his deck,too"

Reminded me of his father, when he first learned about checkout scanners at grocery stores.... these damn politicians don't know what work is or what is means to live in the real world today.... anyways, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs.

Am I wrong here????

no you're not wrong. i'm in the same boat as you.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

While I may not agree with Piemma at times, I believe it is "Mr. Ebenezer" to you Eben....after all, if my memory serves me correct, Mr. Piemma is a veteran.......see, I don't forget.

piemma and i fish together...we talk on the phone often, and most importatly, we bust each other's balls.. well mostly we discuss spence's fishing woes
anyway, i have the greatest respect for him.

[Homerun04]

we bust each other's balls

Well, I suppose that's better then other things you guys could be doing with each other's balls.....oh John, please don't spank me too hard for that one..........

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

I
We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe. Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

As far as the problems in New Orleans... it is a true tradgedy. Please don't try to politicize it.

If there is any blame to assess, it lies directly on the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana.

[JoeP]

For some reason I've read all these political threads -- there's so much to say, so I'll keep it very, very, very brief:

Liberals make me ... :



All at the same time.



Everyone lighten up and laugh.

Q: What do you call a basement full of Liberals?
A: A whine cellar.

Q: What is the Democrat doing when he holds his hands tightly over his ears?
A: Trying to hold on to a thought.


Headlines from the year 2029 after many Democratic Presidents

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest
country in the world, Mexifornia formally known as California. White
minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third
language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally . . . scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iraq still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more
years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Capitol Hill intern indicted for refusing to have sex with congressman.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

t the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president

honest???? thanks i needed a laugh tonight

[STRIPER77]

fishweewee rules..

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by Nebe

honest???? thanks i needed a laugh tonight

*smile* me too..

score board... hahaha

[jkswimmer]

In reply to what I just finished reading, as I just read this thread for the first time. After 9/11 I thought the government was supposed to prepared for any dissaster. Where did all are tax dollars go?

[Homerun04]

Where did all are tax dollars go?

Same place all our other taxes go to....Presidential Balls.....Congressional Vacations.....Foreign Aid.....and $20 Billion public welfare..er..I mean....Public Works programs like the Big Pig (Dig)......

FDR invented the concept of the public works program as a way to get America back to work after the Great Depression....nowadays, Presidents tend to use it as a way to get Americans to look the other way when our government decides to give away one of our industries......"Sure, outsource all our programming jobs, but we'll have plenty of new construction jobs open for the people who get displaced."

Employment is at an all-time low, and Wal*Mart is the largest private employer in the USA......unemployment has decreased, but so has actual earnings......what a country.......

[spence]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe.

Actually it was liberals who first began (politically) to use the prefix "neo" to describe changes within their own ranks. What your saying makes little sense.

Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

And yet the polls show a continued trend to the negative. The majority of Americans think the President hasn't been honest on the issue of WMD, perhaps one of the most profound deceptions in the history of our great Nation.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

The winds of change are being driven by a people sick of rising energy costs while record profit takers enjoy Federal taxpayer subsidies...get real.

-spence

[Nebe]

hey so how do you tell the difference between an anal and oral theormometer????


the taste

this thead is beaten to death... stay tuned for the blame game to really heat up in the coming weeks.. scape goats.. we need scape goats. the mayor, the govenor and probably the head of FEMA will fry in the hotseat, no blame will be givin to anyone high up in the whitehouse...watch and see.


The average american is quick to forget and sadly i believe in 3 years most will not remember this great blunder.. we will be too busy with iran

[Raven]

or Syria....one of the two....this war is far from being over....as you know that where ever Sadam's truckloads of money was goin....other valubles like weaponry...went there also ...way ahead of the shell game.
================================================== =====
southern coastline: Holland did it right.....and we should follow their example of ingenuity.

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it was liberals who first began (politically) to use the prefix "neo" to describe changes within their own ranks. What your saying makes little sense.
-spence

Do a google search on the two terms. Does this make any sense?

Excerpted from: http://thebarristers.com/weblog/2004..._archived.html

"More importantly, "neocon" is looked upon as a truly inspired phrase that captures two negatives in one short phrase. Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people? We don't have neobarmaids or neoteachers or neopoliticians. We don't have neotruckdrivers or neodoctors or neostargazers. We don't have neorepubs or neodems or neogreens.

But we do have neonazis.

Go ahead, Google "neonazi" in a websearch (69K hits) or even recent news (352 hits). When I see a word that starts out as "neo...", my mind immediately starts to fill in the rest: "...nazi".

Oh, it's not nazi, it's con. Right.

Not too subtle. Liberals like using "neo" because it conjures up that "n" word, a word that carries a significant amount of baggage. Long before there were conservatives, there were Nazis. Long before there were neocons, there were neonazis. Except for The Matrix, "neo" has rarely been connected to any word but Nazi. Until now.

Bush = Nazi

Neocon = Neonazi.

Get it?

It goes without saying that "con" certainly carries a negative connotation."

[whiplash]

check this out www.bushbumperstickers.com

[spence]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people?

Moot. There really arn't that many neo-con's either...a small group has too much influence...that's a large part of the problem.

-spence

[Mike P]

The term has actually been around since the Reagan era. Originally, it referred to people like Lyn Nofzinger, mainly people who were 60s liberals and who turned to the right as they got older. That's where the "neo" came from then. Newly converted conservatives. I won't speculate on what it's current meaning is, or the intentions of those who throw the word around.

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

Moot.
-spence

Of course it is

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people? We don't have neobarmaids or neoteachers or neopoliticians. We don't have neotruckdrivers or neodoctors or neostargazers. We don't have neorepubs or neodems or neogreens.

But we do have neonazis.

I've always felt that "neo" meant new and was used to enhance certainl words, to narrow the meaning. So I looked it up:

"NEO" means new or recent "adj : (used as a combining form) recent or new; "`neo' is a combining form in words like `neocolonialism'""

New; recent: neonatal.
New and different: Neo-Freudian.
New and abnormal: neoplasm (underline abnormal )

"NEO" has nothing to do with the Nazi party other than to signify that it is a NEW or RECENT Nazi party (seeing the original Nazi party is illegal in Germany).

Now, NEO or N.E.O. - Near Earth Objects, may be what Liberals used as basis to label the NEOcons as that like near earth objects, you can see these NEOcons, but they are not often "grounded" in reality... (that was a joke )

I do think - hopefully - there will be a lot of "NEOmoderates" or "NEOindependents" in upcoming elections. That make sound decisions in the interest of America and the future of America. Not the 90 day, 180 day, or 365 day view... And that if they are thinking and acting long term (democarcy in the Middle East IS a lofty and worthy goal) that they do so in a competent, non-bungling manner - and not look to - paraphrase here for near-family content - like a monkey having relations with a football. People that will think of shaping the country to the benefit of all and especially the middle class. Why should the corporations making oooodles of profits get further tax cuts and incentives and schools get less funding? Why should the richest of the rich get another tax cut when middle america gets further squeezed? WHen the upper corp types have incentive to offshore the jobs of the lower people. This isn't trickle down economics but trickle down used cars - usually gas guzzlers. This is

As someone that has a mediocre combined family income, the swiftly increases of cost in gas, home heating oil, insurance, medical, education,
food and necessary consumer goods is taking me out of the economic engine that is America. The drastic increases in these costs consume a significantly larger portion of my budget (most in fact) than what a "rich" person say houshold income of 250K or 500K or 1mil. These people can weather spending $100 per week in gas or doubling their home heating costs. I can't without significant sacrifice. If these people that are making the decisions that effect us all base those decisions on THEIR experience and THEIR comfort levels than a lot of us - me included - will reach our "Tipping Point" much sooner than those in the "know". What happens when our country reaches the Tipping Point before those out of touch in power think it does? I'm just one tooth in a machine of cogs that has worn down and is slipping. How many other teeth need to be shaved before the machine slips again? What happens when enough teeth are shaved off the gears of economy that the gears shudder, slip, then fail to turn?

This is what scares me, that those in power in gvmt and in big biz DO NOT understand or care about the middle class or the long term future - beyond Wall Street predictions - of our country.

Oh yeh - feel free to debate these threads but no personal attacks and name calling - thanks...