Spot X

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by snake slinger

i sent OTW a email and they wrote me back that spot aticles are what there readers whant

Hey, Good for you. At least you got a response.

I sent them the following email, and NO response:

Mr. Bourque,

I am sure you have a fairly good idea why I am sending this email.
Sometimes, too much info, can have adverse effects.
Mr. McKenna shared too much, and perhaps was not given good
advise from his editor, as to what to leave out.

Perhaps you disagree, if so, I am saddened by that. All locations
mentioned in the article have been mentioned before... yes.
However, there is a great deal of difference in saying that the fishing
is great at the West Wall, or Horseneck beach, without giving the
explicit instructions, complete with detailed maps, and where, and what,
and when to throw it!

My point isn't spots,exactly, it's undue pressure placed on them,
and the possible loss of access to all.

Especially if parking is an issue, and it is at some of these places.
Also, a small percentage of "spot chasers", are not true sportsmen,
they will leave trash, old bait, beer cans etc., and defecate, and urinate
on and around both public, and private property. This infuriates the
owners of the high priced shorefront real estate. They pay a premium
in RE tax, so, when they call to complain, and they will, the local board
of selectmen, the Chief of the local PD, will be all ears, and more than
happy to close access, or put strict and severe limits on access.

I've lived and fished on the Cape for over 35 years. I have seen way too much
access lost since the first time I tossed a rebel windcheater off the
jetty at Breakwater beach in Brewster, and reeled in my first striped bass.

I am aware that others long before this months issue of OTW, have torched
spots... the granddaddy of them all, was Daignault's Hot Spots, and even
though that book is 20 years old, it still stirs controversy.

I would appreciate it, if OTW set some kind of policy, limiting the detail
on locations. I think it would go a long way to limit pressure put on our
remaining favorite fishing spots.

I have always enjoyed OTW in the past, and I am sure I will in the future.
I will enjoy it even more, if I see no more detailed "spot" articles, as I did
this month.


Sincerely,
Karl Faivre

P.S.
If you have not read this yet, please do:
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It's not about Rhody "spots", or Cape "spots"... it's about Access...
torch them, explicitly, and they will go.. ROW issues, blocked paths, off the beach by 11, the noose will keep tightening, as more are led to each area.
OK, I agree, it will cool down after a while, people will go, and not catch right away, dismiss the article as BS and go away, some won't like a long hike, or slippery rocks, and not return,,, some... will catch, and maybe larger than they ever have, they will keep going back, and bring others, so, while the initial bump in traffic will have subsided, more will still go, increasing the pressure on that location.

I keep hearing, "well, I was told by others where to go when I started."
Yeah, I was too... I was told to go to hell, not in so many words, if you ever asked where did you catch, it was either an icy stare, or the pat answer... "In the water".... What happened to the hunt?, Or as some say, putting in your time... used to be if you went out, and looked, with just some plain old fashioned sense, you'd figure it out, and yes, sometimes, some kind old timer would point you,,, if he had seen you trying on your own...
It's all Instant Karma now, or the Mc'Fishermen, wants it spooned into him...

Rant off...
I'm done.

[RIJIMMY]

4 of the 5 spots McKenna describes are in Daignaults Striper Hot Spots Book, with MORE detail.
I brough this up when the posts first started.
For the Narrow, Daignault actually mentions a "better" place to park than McKenna. One that is more sensitive IMHO. Black and white for millions to read.
As others have said, I think folks are mad because Steve violated some secret Narr. surfcaster pact.
Newbies will go to the spots, get skunked and never return, no spots are guaranteed. I fished those spots, sometimes I caught, other times I didnt.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

If you have to wonder more than a second, than I guess you are not that bright

Hey, for a moderator to be flaming is not a good example. You still owe me a plug.Also; it is then not than if you are speaking English. Please forward my plug.

[Slipknot]

come get it
I am not an english major, I am a fisherman
I didn't quote you as a moderator, just pointing out the obvious.
nebe says it's poor form to point out my poor form

..

[Sea Dangles]

I fart in your general direction.You now smell of eldeberry.I now take offense to all that is offensive. Your fancy shmansy needle will be mine!

[Flaptail]

Watch for the editorial in November. I have a feeling this will all be addressed in that format, where each and every subscriber, consumer and casual reader at the dentist's office can evalute the magazines response. Then again, it goes back to the authors responsibility, IMHO,to think of circumstances that my likely develop if he does submit the piece for publication. The guys at the mag are all great guys and my friends. Are they die hard surfcasters, offshore fishermen or rabid, tongue dragging red-eyed Striper men. No. They love to fish, and they had an opportunity to open up a venue so that nutz like myself and others could share with the other nutz what when and how. Where exactly is verboten. Of course there has always been and there will always be the unwriiten code among the Striper Brethren against revealing the most secret details. Myself I have been threatened with bodily harm, threatening notes,damage to my vehicle and slander and lost friendships. I don't believe that I give away the farm as the article in question did. I have people comment on giving too much info in how and why even when I intentionally leave out the where. Like the late great Al Rienfelder once said when asked, after telling in detail the how and why, the where question, "even the CIA doesn't have that kind of information". I live that way and write that way. I might mention Truro or Wellfleet or be a little more specific by stating Balston or some such beach but if you are a really educated surfcaster you know Balston is one., a big place and two., bass usually crowd into the smallest holes at only certain points in the tide. I fished last night from 9 to midnight, I caaght quite a few fish on Needles, where? Don't ask I won't tell you.

I don't post on S-S.COM anymore because Frank disses the magazine because thery would not entertain anymore of his oft time re-hashed adventures and laurel sitting. He of all people is throwing jibes in threads like "Googan Writers" and NEBE's thread on the aforementioned article. He's retired, he can make money off of it and he does. Well that's okay but don't throw stones. Does anyone here remember when "Striper Hotspots" first printing came out that some spots were named incorrectly? Also a lot of these spots were never even fished by Daignault. Of all the people to comment he has a lot of nerve. Read twenty years on the Cape and you will be told everything you need to know about when, where and how to fish the backbeach. All while he bemoans the fact you cannot trust people to keep thier mouths shut. But it was over for him so why not tell all and make a little cake on the side from it. Trouble is it wasn't and still isn't over for a lot of guys. The New Yorkers he fished with still come to P-Town for the most part, at least those who are still alive. He actively bashes people who fish from boats yet his mentor and one of the most prolific writers in the Striper game, Frank Woolner, knew and told anyone that would listen that even though he thought surfcasting was the most enjoyable and rewarding way to catch stripers a really good bassman had to be proficient in all of the arts. Trolling, jigging, live bait, fly fishing in order to be considered really good in the Striper world. He told me that to my face when I was a teenager and it is the way I live my striper life. Too many double standards these days. Dammed if you do damned if you don't. Now, enough of this crap and let's get on with the important stuff. What was done is done and I am sure a lesson was learned. End of story. Next!

[SeaWolf]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

Seawolf,

I am not sure if we have ever met, however I know some guys that know you. Hence, I am assuming that you have been around for a while. It it this knowledge that has me baffled at your statement.

Magazines have been publishing articles like this for years and years and years. Just for SH%TS & GIGGLES I went into my files. You see I disect magazines when they are read and file certain articles that appeal to me. I have four articles from OTW & The Fisherman that give between 75% and 100% of the information contained in Mckenna's article on the Narrow River. I am not saying that these type of articles are good at all. All I am saying is that there is nothing new about this one. I think what has people all up in arms is who wrote it and not what was written. If this was Flap or Frank D, or even Fisheye I think the responses would be quite different.

bp, i hear you. yes, i've been around. yes, we probably know many of the same people. i'd love to sit down and talk with you, or anyone for that matter, about these types of issues. shoot me a pm or email.

i am confused about what you mean about being baffled.

i finally received my otw magazine yesterday, but i actually was at a shop and read it late last week. now, i may fish some of those spots, i may not. that was never my issue of contention. my issue, and what i thought the theme of the otw thread, was about the idea or ethics about doing just that, putting spots (maybe detailed, and maybe lesser known) in magazines, on-line reports, on-line msgs boards and is it right and what good or bad is that now doing? are you really helping an angler out or not? are these articles taking the "hunt" out or surffishing?

as far as steve writing that particular article in otw this month, it appears he was asked for those types of articles (spots) previously by otw. i also know these are the same spots he talks about in his seminars, so it may not be anything new for those that have been to them. i have a problem with otw asking for those types of articles. i also have a problem w/ steve agreeing to do that. i may be in the majority or i may be in the minority on the sides of this issue. steve had the option of not accepting otw's position on these "how to/detailed article" and not giving his article. he chose to accept their concept. now, he is on the hook for it. my position may not be the right one, it may not be the wrong one, but it is mine and i put in my .02 and the subject from my experiences. i was trying not to b!---h about it, but put out ideas to think about.

yes frank, flap, others on this site or other sites, other authors, etc., have done similar articles recently and thru the years. i dont agree that the feedback may have not been the same if it was another author. it may have been worse, it may have been lighter. who knows. i remember frank taking a lot of heat when he wrote the striper spots book. some people and places declined to be mentioned just for some of these very reasons. maybe in years past the only way of venting on these issues was going right to the author (if you knew them), mailing the magazine, or going to a tackle shop. now, the internet has opened up all this. more and more forums open up each year. these issues will only continue in the future.

i amalso aware that there are people that may not post at all on these threads due to their business, relationship w/ that magazine, etc. i can respect that. maybe what they have read here may change their opinion. maybe it will not.

there is one thing that i have seen over the years about these types of threads, there are many opinions on it. some are 100% against, some are 100% for, some are middle of the road. where do you draw that line? will that line ever be drawn?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I wonder how Steve and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& would feel if I listed some of their "private" spots.

could you please elaborate on what #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& has to do with the article??? why should he be chastized for anothers actions??? What is your fasination with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&??? is it pennis envy? jealousy? or is it simply plain ignorant hatred?
and furthermore, what has #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& done to you?

[Flaptail]

I know one thing! We need more Cowbell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bassmaster]

flap u spot burner

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by bassmaster

flap u spot burner

Call me you toothless bastage. I know where they are and you know the places. Easy fishing no crowds. You know the number. Can you say needlefish? Just like the ol'days when you lived down this away.

[RIROCKHOUND]

I'm just the same as you guys, I put my pants on one leg at a time, but then I go make hit records...

This thread took on a major life of it's own..... as usual w/ this crowd

My final thought since I started this thread:
- I wasnt pissed people were there
- The people there didnt crowd those of us already there
- MORE people were there, probably because of the article, than would be there normally
- I dont hate steve, I dont respect this type of article, but who am I to judge
- I agree this wasnt the only spot burn out there; people brought up a bunch more, but this was VERY detailed, and yeah those of us that fish gansett regularly have a 'veil' of secrecy I suppose that is part of it...
that is all, carry on....

[piemma]

Agreed!!! 10-4

[spence]

For more information, please see:

http:\\where-rirockhound-and-piemma-fish.com



-spence

[zacs]

too funny spence.

the best part is the link works

well played!

[RIJIMMY]

Oh great Spence! Why dont you just draw little X's and say "cast here".
There goes another spot!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Where Spence fishes:
http://www.wherever-he-is-lucky-enou...oesnt-fish.com

[bassmaster]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Call me you toothless bastage. I know where they are and you know the places. Easy fishing no crowds. You know the number. Can you say needlefish? Just like the ol'days when you lived down this away.

will call dont care bout fish i find my own but if i get to buts your nuts then i phish with u.

[Mr. Sandman]

Don't get mad, get even. Give him a taste of his own teachings. Burn a couple of his private honey holes. It can be done, it is not as hard as it sounds. Write your own article...something like...Striper hotspots SM actually fishes, by Suds Anguilla" And demand OTW publish it in fairness and blast it on the web as well.


Or

complain to OTW about printing that kind of low blow article and how it impacts serious anglers.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Don't get mad, get even. Give him a taste of his own teachings. Burn a couple of his private honey holes. It can be done, it is not as hard as it sounds. Write your own article...something like...Striper hotspots SM actually fishes, by Suds Anguilla" And demand OTW publish it in fairness and blast it on the web as well.


Or

complain to OTW about printing that kind of low blow article and how it impacts serious anglers.

Several things - further spot burning would not do any justice (regardless that I fish some of those other spots that he fishes). The places he mentioned ARE places he fishes too, maybe not as regularly as others but I've been to some this year as has he.

[bassmaster]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Call me you toothless bastage. I know where they are and you know the places. Easy fishing no crowds. You know the number. Can you say needlefish? Just like the ol'days when you lived down this away.

go catch your stupid tunoids
im the greatest, worship Me