FLW Saltwater Striper Trail

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

Really?

I found all kinds of goodies at the show.No "specials" but what a selection of plugs.No more than you would pay anywhere else.

My understanding of this show is that it's a fundraiser.You shoulda bought some raffle tickets.You coulda won a custom Habs rod,an incredible yak or one of many Aquaskinz bags among other things.

I don't get it.You're just joking right and you forgot the smiley?Otherwise all you're doing is pissing on someone else's parade.

All I can say is fine show Pete.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Really?

I found all kinds of goodies at the show.No "specials" but what a selection of plugs.No more than you would pay anywhere else.

My understanding of this show is that it's a fundraiser.You shoulda bought some raffle tickets.You coulda won a custom Habs rod,an incredible yak or one of many Aquaskinz bags among other things.

I don't get it.You're just joking right and you forgot the smiley?Otherwise all you're doing is pissing on someone else's parade.

All I can say is fine show Pete.

Just to be clear so there's no confusion, the Conservation Raffle proceeds are 100% donated to whatever the cause or club is that given year. Raffle prizes are a combination of items we choose from the store as well as items donated by companies such as Aquaskinz and Habs Custom Plugs.

The shop is there selling things separately; hopefully covering the cost of the ballrooms at the hotel, LCD projectors, and the UHaul truck it took to get everything there, etc.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by striperman36

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

I completely agree, unfortunately.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

Just to be clear so there's no confusion, the Conservation Raffle proceeds are 100% donated to whatever the cause or club is that given year. Raffle prizes are a combination of items we choose from the store as well as items donated by companies such as Aquaskinz and Habs Custom Plugs.

The shop is there selling things separately; hopefully covering the cost of the ballrooms at the hotel, LCD projectors, and the UHaul truck it took to get everything there, etc.

That I knew Pete.

I was just wondering why Squiddler has a problem with your shop prices.I find them no higher than anyone else's. And like I said the selection was incredible.You have the best plug selection of any shop within driving distance of my place and the prices are right.Can't ask for more than that.

[jim sylvester]

Quote:

Pete,
I think you did a great job with the show. Sqiddler must have overlooked the 50% off table. There were definelty some specials in there!!!

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by striperman36

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

Why dont you guys move to an Arab country, for christ sakes. My brother is in Iraq right now, and for the protection of all your skinny white backsides. THis is the greatest country in the world, and will be for a long time. Its the whiners like you guys that drag the humanitarian side down, and in terms of economics, this country could buy the world ten times over. Walmart is part of this system of capitalism, which is part of the whole that lets us priveleged few chat on our expensive computers and buy our 300 dollar reels and 20 dollar plugs, etc. etc. etc.

Thats enough on the off topic subject of the decline of the western civilation and the correlation to the roman empire. Lets call a spade a spade here. You had retail prices at the show and you claim its to cover overhead, blah blah blah blah blah. You were makin money, plain and simple, and gettin a whole pile o advertising to boot. The fact that you admit the sales were seperate shows that your retail booth had nuthin to do with charity, plain and simple.

Again, stick to the topic of fishin and leave yer dime store politics/history lessons out of it.

Piss Piss Pisss, and no smiley face. You guys make me sick

[squiddler]

And btw, i give plenty to charity, but the ones i choose. I still think if someone comes and takes the time to go to the show, that there should be some show pricing, plain and simple. Im on a budget, and its tax season, and i wont use this stuff for another 2 months. That is why I buy some of my plugs at Walmart or online, cuz its an expensive sport, plain and simple.

Piss piss piss, and more piss

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. You're welcome to compare prices if you want, and maybe you should if you really feel we have high prices. If you're going to claim high prices back it up. No need for the attitude... You're welcome to take it to PM if you want to discuss it further if it's something personal.

Peter Graeber

Its not personal. Your prices are on the high end, and I have compared pricing. I did not buy anything from your booth, nor do i plan on it. The guy, I dont know how it was, at your booth was brusque with me and my friend when we inquired about show specials, to the point it left a bad taste in my mouth. There are plenty o reasons why you feel the need to defend yerself i guess.

The other thing I find innappropriate is the constant referrals to your business, whether your a sponsor or not. This is an interactive website, and you do everything you can to get your business into the fracass, as far as im concerned. Im just stating an opinion, not fact here, and opinions are like ***holes, everyones got em.

Why you so defensive? I was taking odds at your trashing of walmart while identifying yourself as a business concern.

[squiddler]

And the baitshop you just moved next to has the same needlefish plugs(striker) for 2.00 less. theres yer backup. I'm sure you didnt think twice as to your location next to him, did you?

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Why dont you guys move to an Arab country, for christ sakes. My brother is in Iraq right now, and for the protection of all your skinny white backsides. THis is the greatest country in the world, and will be for a long time. Its the whiners like you guys that drag the humanitarian side down, and in terms of economics, this country could buy the world ten times over. Walmart is part of this system of capitalism, which is part of the whole that lets us priveleged few chat on our expensive computers and buy our 300 dollar reels and 20 dollar plugs, etc. etc. etc.

Thats enough on the off topic subject of the decline of the western civilation and the correlation to the roman empire. Lets call a spade a spade here. You had retail prices at the show and you claim its to cover overhead, blah blah blah blah blah. You were makin money, plain and simple, and gettin a whole pile o advertising to boot. The fact that you admit the sales were seperate shows that your retail booth had nuthin to do with charity, plain and simple.

Again, stick to the topic of fishin and leave yer dime store politics/history lessons out of it.

Piss Piss Pisss, and no smiley face. You guys make me sick

A friend of mine is dead and my cousin's husband nearly lost his arm in Iraq, so I certainly understand what having people you care about overseas is all about. Do you really believe we're un-American if we're worried about the well being of our country?

Now, the Conservation Raffle. The SWE booth sits entirely separate from the raffle area. Raffle proceeds goes to whatever cause they go to that year, and normal SWE sales are normal SWE sales. I don't know how to say that more clearly or why you think it operates otherwise. I would think it would be fairly obvious. I'm not "admitting" anything as you put it. It just is what it is.

To be honest, at this point your post is libel.

Peter Graeber

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

And btw, i give plenty to charity, but the ones i choose. I still think if someone comes and takes the time to go to the show, that there should be some show pricing, plain and simple. Im on a budget, and its tax season, and i wont use this stuff for another 2 months. That is why I buy some of my plugs at Walmart or online, cuz its an expensive sport, plain and simple.

Piss piss piss, and more piss

You are free NOT to come.

[squiddler]

All right Pete, maybe my panties are in a bunch, and it had alot to do with your rep at the show.

But libel, cmon dude, settle down.

If it helps, I retract my comments in regards to your shop, and apologize openly for my anger.


Maybe you should be on this site as an end user instead of your obvious conflict of interest with your business.

You opened the door, I barged in.

If you notice, I clearly state that my opinions are just that, opinions. So libel is not even a close call here.

You asked for backup, I gave it to you, you are still whinin dude, still whinin, and im still pissin.

[Skitterpop]

Is wow Squiddler

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

http://www.digitalwav.net/download.a...=WSGreed%2Ewav

I think "greed" or "capitalism" as it is known helps keep prices down and creates new markets. I love it. If you want to particapate buy some shares of wallMart or HomeDepot Sure I support my local tackle shops but I don't see our local shops putting together a 500K bass tourney. Why should the FW guys get all the glory?

Also, while I despise shopping at Wallmart, I don't think they intent to make a ton of cash off the striper fishermen.

A 500K tourney in the Northeast...I think it is a good idea and pretty harmless. I may even try and talk FISHON and his Hydra-Sport into signing up! (with me as a "priority" fisherman.... )

What erks me is that some of you have a problem with a rec contest but no problem with comm fishing for bass? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you? Where is the love?

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY< SANDMAN.

Lets get back on topic and stop gining Pete more reasons to discuss economics

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Indanite

Is wow Squiddler

Thank you, shows daily at 9 and 11, free admittance for whiners.......

[RIROCKHOUND]

OK Squiddler..
first off lay off the caffine at this time of night....
Second, I have zero (0) affiliation with Pete and the SWE, we're in the same fishing club, thats about it.
I dont think he should or have to seperate himself out as an 'end user'
In my OPINION, having people in the industry, like Pete, MikeCC etc.. is a huge asset of this site. We get the skinny new gear, and good reviews.. I fish 100+ nights a season, and in no way do I or can I see/review gear than people in shops who get people in daily to get repairs and buy gear... the fact that Mike or Pete or others has input as to what holds up/works and what doesnt is huge.
I was out of town this weekend, didnt make it to the fair, but if I remember from last year, it was free to get into, free for seminars, the raffle was optional, and you didnt have to buy jack diddily %$%$%$%$ if you didnt want to. There were numerous high profile fisherman there and you could have picked their brains for free. I think you need to chill out a bit dude...

[basswipe]

That's right RIR that show was 100% free.Free parking,free admission and free advice from guys like Iron Mike,Pt.Jude Joe,#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&,Steve McKenna,DZ,Habs etc.

What a ripoff

[squiddler]

Like I said, ITS MY OPINION.

I again apologize to Pete if I offended, but I was and am pissed off.

Why is it okay for guys to trash Walmart but not me to trash somone or something???????

I took offense to the trashing of America, or its decline, or whatever the point of the correlation to the Roman Empire was.

This will be my last post on this matter, your all welcome in advance.

Again, open apology to SWE and Pete.


IMHO your sticking your noses in to this pissin contest. And I still think your a bunch o whiners.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

All right Pete, maybe my panties are in a bunch, and it had alot to do with your rep at the show.

But libel, cmon dude, settle down.

If it helps, I retract my comments in regards to your shop, and apologize openly for my anger.


Maybe you should be on this site as an end user instead of your obvious conflict of interest with your business.

You opened the door, I barged in.

If you notice, I clearly state that my opinions are just that, opinions. So libel is not even a close call here.

You asked for backup, I gave it to you, you are still whinin dude, still whinin, and im still pissin.

My only big hang up Squiddler was the way you spoke of the Conservation Raffle. As I said, it's a pretty serious accusation.

Again I apologize for your interaction with one of the guys. We're a pretty social bunch for the most part.

And I'm done with the economics discussion. At least in this thread. I'll try and keep it in the Scuppers in the future. I know I have a tendency to hijack threads. There's several people I seriously argue and debate with in some threads but we do hang out, talk fishing, and have fun together regardless. I like to debate stuff, it's just my nature.

[outnumbered]

Meeting some people from the boat show at their respective booths. Led to the following:

$500 entry fee per boat, thinking of lowering to $250
10-11 tournaments along east coast
10K in prize money per tourney, rules not completely set as of yet
top 3 in each tourney compete for final prize of 25K
If you own a Genmar boat bonus prize money may be involved
Tournament to be on a Sat in August with Sunday as backup rain day

[Joe]

To be honest - I'm sick of the sponsors always selling things, and I am a sponsor!
Turn sponsorship over to the masked avengers. Tell them to anonymously put some donation money into a brown paper bag and leave it next to the dumpster behind Hooters on Airport Road, John R will pick it up on his way out.

By the way...if you missed out on the free Habs stickers they are for sale online now click here.
See! That's what I'm talking about! There I go again!
I hate that.

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

My only big hang up Squiddler was the way you spoke of the Conservation Raffle. As I said, it's a pretty serious accusation.

Again I apologize for your interaction with one of the guys. We're a pretty social bunch for the most part.

And I'm done with the economics discussion. At least in this thread. I'll try and keep it in the Scuppers in the future. I know I have a tendency to hijack threads. There's several people I seriously argue and debate with in some threads but we do hang out, talk fishing, and have fun together regardless. I like to debate stuff, it's just my nature.

I know i said last post on this topic, but had to comment on this particular quote...

I was angry, spouting off at the mouth, and I should have tempered my comments.

I thank Pete for being a man and apologizing. We will beg to differ, I guess, but no more barbs, I promise Pete.

[Goose]

Anybody feeling lucky? I'm feelin crazy. I hate being on the porch all my life.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Thank you, shows daily at 9 and 11, free admittance for whiners.......

Am I just overly sensitized to these numbers or did anyone else see 911 in this?? I hear Twilight Zone music!

[Skip N]

Pete runs a good shop. As far as no deals go...He informed me in advance that he was having a discount on some good fly lines i was interested in. Now thats good service and how you keep customers around. Not sure what that guy was talking about regarding no good deals at the SWE.

[squiddler]

Hey skip, do you kick dead horses too??

I mean, let it go already, I admitted I was angry, and openly apologized TWICE!!!

[squiddler]

And wipe off yer nose, its dark brown there sparky.

[basswipe]

PUI?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Hey skip, do you kick dead horses too??

I mean, let it go already, I admitted I was angry, and openly apologized TWICE!!!

Dude chill the hell out! I just signed on and read your first post and thats it. I was defending Pete when you slammed his store. Dont make stupid comments if you dont want to take flak for it! Believe me i take alot of %$%$%$%$ on here so i know what im talking about! You make comments about a popular local shop so expect to take some crap.

I agree with your take on America being the best. No question about that! But i wanted to express my opinioin about what you said. And one reason America is so great is that i am aloud to express my displeasure with your comments. Now i read the rest of this thread and what you wrote and things seem cleared up. Good!

But im done, no use getting worked up about something that doesnt involve me.