Striper meeting rant.

[Sea Dangles]

So comm guys can whine about a 25% reduction while the poor rec angler suffers at a 50% pace?

[niko]

stir the pot dangles

[afterhours]

chris was once the master.

[Piscator]

It's all fuzzy math when you are dealing with an unknown.........
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[big jay]

I thought about this thread when I got a bass on the first cast this evening while I was throwing at breaking Albies.
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Edited - dont post hammered.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by big jay

Edited - dont post hammered.

Hilarious......
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[Sea Dangles]

Fishing bliss is catching both hands with your ass.
Niko would be happy foul hooking man ass
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[niko]

hey trophy husband - I know you're bummed out because it's rainy and you cant play disc golf or whatever the hell it is you do all day. but if u were nicer to me maybe i'd bring you crabs and let u drive me to the albies

[linesider69]

I was out on the charlestown breachway today at daybreak with ranger Joe. The fishing was well not happening at all. 3 hours of casting practice.
We got to talking and he said he started fishing there in the 60's and there was fish everywhere (big fish) as he said. Then the 70's come along and people started killing everything. On to the 80's and if you were lucky enough to catch a bass of any size people would come and ask what kind of fish it was because no one knew what there were.
90 ' s come around and the bass started to come back and uneducated people started killing again. 2000's the bass start to be less and less. He said I lived the first crash and I see it happening again.

I hope not but time will tell.
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[bobber]

I don't want to be an alarmist, but I fear the numbers are worse than we realize.... there are vast areas on the coast that are devoid of bass. the last stock assessment is approaching 2 years old and I think the decline has been precipitous in the interim.


time will tell- but I think we're in for a long dry spell.

how does "sea-bass.com" sound??

[bobber]

yes I do know that.... it also allows them to fully exploit their fishery, and I also that enforcement is a joke down there and poaching is rampant. the fishery in the Cheaspeake is possibly the most perilous of all

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by bobber

yes I do know that.... it also allows them to fully exploit their fishery, and I also that enforcement is a joke down there and poaching is rampant. the fishery in the Cheaspeake is possibly the most perilous of all

Maryland dnr is actually pretty active. We would regularly get checked when I was down there. Way more than up here. The tilghman island boys poach, but they get caught and prosecuted. No fishing midnight to 5 or 6 am. Closed seasons to protect breeding( used to be anyway). In much of the bay, a 32" fish is big. 18" isn't unreasonable. Slot would make sense though. The winter slaughter in VA and NC is/was a problem, but the sorry state of striped bass lays in the bloody hands of rec fisherman from the mason dixon line north as much or more so than anywhere.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by bobber

yes I do know that.... it also allows them to fully exploit their fishery, and I also that enforcement is a joke down there and poaching is rampant. the fishery in the Cheaspeake is possibly the most perilous of all

MD is the only state that I know of that has actually jailed striped bass poachers. Go look it up. MD DNR is very actively enforcing their regs, much more so than MA, RI and NY.

[bassballer]

many of you guys stated that before the first crash you couldnt find a bass under 15 pounds. the lack of school bass was alarming. While im in the group of 1 at 36 I have to say im pleasantly surprised by the amount a school bass i have seen this fall. Narr Bay and to PJ has had acres of 15-25" bass mauling bait this fall.

That being said this was not a great bass season for me.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by bassballer

many of you guys stated that before the first crash you couldnt find a bass under 15 pounds. the lack of school bass was alarming. While im in the group of 1 at 36 I have to say im pleasantly surprised by the amount a school bass i have seen this fall. Narr Bay and to PJ has had acres of 15-25" bass mauling bait this fall.

That being said this was not a great bass season for me.

They are from the 2012 (maybe it's 2011) which is the last big year class in the Chessie.

[big jay]

Originally Posted by bassballer

many of you guys stated that before the first crash you couldnt find a bass under 15 pounds. the lack of school bass was alarming. While im in the group of 1 at 36 I have to say im pleasantly surprised by the amount a school bass i have seen this fall. Narr Bay and to PJ has had acres of 15-25" bass mauling bait this fall.
That being said this was not a great bass season for me.

Friday afternoon there were thousands of busting bass, blues, and albies from Castle Hill to the Rockpile (oooooh spotburn) and not a single surf guy on some of the most easily accessible ground on the coast.

I think if more people fished rather than sit around complaining on their keyboards, they might find out the world doesn't suck so much.
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[bassballer]

Originally Posted by big jay

Friday afternoon there were thousands of busting bass, blues, and albies from Castle Hill to the Rockpile (oooooh spotburn) and not a single surf guy on some of the most easily accessible ground on the coast.

I think if more people fished rather than sit around complaining on their keyboards, they might find out the world doesn't suck so much.
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i was out friday and saturday morning. I couldnt believe that no guys were fishing the shoreline. I saw maybe 2 surfcasters and a couple bucketheads. albies were basically jumping onto shore. i was surprised.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by big jay

I'm just going to use this as my response - it will keep John from having to edit anything else I'd like to post.
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Hahaha

Originally Posted by big jay

Friday afternoon there were thousands of busting bass, blues, and albies from Castle Hill to the Rockpile (oooooh spotburn) and not a single surf guy on some of the most easily accessible ground on the coast.

I think if more people fished rather than sit around complaining on their keyboards, they might find out the world doesn't suck so much.
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I know a lot of guys that fish hard and fish well all up and down the coast, that know how, where, and when to fish and the catch numbers have gone down considerably.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by big jay

Friday afternoon there were thousands of busting bass, blues, and albies from Castle Hill to the Rockpile (oooooh spotburn) and not a single surf guy on some of the most easily accessible ground on the coast.

I think if more people fished rather than sit around complaining on their keyboards, they might find out the world doesn't suck so much.
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One good day a good fishery does not make.
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[DZ]

Originally Posted by bassballer

many of you guys stated that before the first crash you couldnt find a bass under 15 pounds. the lack of school bass was alarming. While im in the group of 1 at 36 I have to say im pleasantly surprised by the amount a school bass i have seen this fall. Narr Bay and to PJ has had acres of 15-25" bass mauling bait this fall.

That being said this was not a great bass season for me.

You're right - its encouraging to see small bass. But its not about a short stretch of good fishing which were seeing now. This happened last October also for a week to 10 days... then it as nothing for weeks. You have to look at trends over the course of the past few seasons and see it spread out through the entire range of the fish. Been some comments lately about more bass than I've ever seen - beware anyone that tries to paint a rosey picture of the future based on what they see on their electronics. Think big picture.

[big jay]

I absolutely agree with you Eben, and I made my comments to the ASMFC supporting a 25% reduction year 1 and going to 1 fish (a move that will potentially cost me $, but its what I believe is necessary for the long term success of our fishery).
My overriding point is this - its become en vogue to bitch and complain about how #^&#^&#^&#^&ty bass fishing is, and anyone that is still doing well and having success is some kind of short sited monster. There is alot of great fishing going on right now, and I think too many people would rather sit home and complain than go out and see for themselves.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by big jay

I absolutely agree with you Eben, and I made my comments to the ASMFC supporting a 25% reduction year 1 and going to 1 fish (a move that will potentially cost me $, but its what I believe is necessary for the long term success of our fishery).
My overriding point is this - its become en vogue to bitch and complain about how #^&#^&#^&#^&ty bass fishing is, and anyone that is still doing well and having success is some kind of short sited monster. There is alot of great fishing going on right now, and I think too many people would rather sit home and complain than go out and see for themselves.
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You really believe that there is a significant percentage of your charters that pay the day or half day rate ONLY to catch 12 bass instead of 6 bass?

For what it's worth, I've been out. It mostly has sucked with pockets of OK fishing mixed in. Same story, lots of smaller fish...

[big jay]

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;1053613]You really believe that there is a significant percentage of your charters that pay the day or half day rate ONLY to catch 12 bass instead of 6 bass?


"Significant" - not really, and I've been telling guys that are worried about that they are better taking a small short term hit (if there is one) than getting crushed long term if the fishery goes to hell. We'll lose some, but not as many as some guys are worried about.

I also do pretty well with commercial fishing, so this will effect my bottom line - but again, I'd rather the short term hit than screw things up for the longer term.

But hey, according to some jackholes on this thread, I'm some fishing killing monster out to destroy everything in my path because people pay me to take them fishing and I sell some fish as well. I wonder if some people realize how offensive they really are when they start throwing out generalizations about groups of fisherman?
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[FoliFish]

[QUOTE=big jay;1053616]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You really believe that there is a significant percentage of your charters that pay the day or half day rate ONLY to catch 12 bass instead of 6 bass?


"Significant" - not really, and I've been telling guys that are worried about that they are better taking a small short term hit (if there is one) than getting crushed long term if the fishery goes to hell. We'll lose some, but not as many as some guys are worried about.

I also do pretty well with commercial fishing, so this will effect my bottom line - but again, I'd rather the short term hit than screw things up for the longer term.

But hey, according to some jackholes on this thread, I'm some fishing killing monster out to destroy everything in my path because people pay me to take them fishing and I sell some fish as well. I wonder if some people realize how offensive they really are when they start throwing out generalizations about groups of fisherman?
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More like a fish killing neanderthal than monster....as far as I can tell!!

[Sea Dangles]

[QUOTE=big jay;1053616]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You really believe that there is a significant percentage of your charters that pay the day or half day rate ONLY to catch 12 bass instead of 6 bass?


"Significant" - not really, and I've been telling guys that are worried about that they are better taking a small short term hit (if there is one) than getting crushed long term if the fishery goes to hell. We'll lose some, but not as many as some guys are worried about.

I also do pretty well with commercial fishing, so this will effect my bottom line - but again, I'd rather the short term hit than screw things up for the longer term.

But hey, according to some jackholes on this thread, I'm some fishing killing monster out to destroy everything in my path because people pay me to take them fishing and I sell some fish as well. I wonder if some people realize how offensive they really are when they start throwing out generalizations about groups of fisherman?
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Jay, you have thick skin so suck it up. At least you are a full timer and respect the fishery.Haters gonna hate so don't be offended by generalizations. The part-timers have more of a negative effect on your bottom line than anybody on the computer ever will.

[dannyplug1]

Fished last night one tap. Water was rough too much moon but that was the first sign of a fish I have seen in a week (three fishing expeditions). I have fished this area for forty years it shoud be killer at this time. SOMETHING IS WRONG!

[big jay]

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

Fished last night one tap. Water was rough too much moon but that was the first sign of a fish I have seen in a week (three fishing expeditions). I have fished this area for forty years it shoud be killer at this time. SOMETHING IS WRONG!

Just so I'm not confusing people, are you the guy that was hiring Rudy from the SWE to guide you down in Little Compton a few years ago?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by big jay

Just so I'm not confusing people, are you the guy that was hiring Rudy from the SWE to guide you down in Little Compton a few years ago?
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What difference would that make?

[niko]

You're on point Jay. I've had over a 100 bass in the last week from the surf in my general area, and I'm a very average surf fisherman nowadays. I've seen 1 other surf guy in that time
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[Piscator]

How about all the poor eels being killed...nobody seems to care about them.
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