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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I look at this as something everybody does, and the refs just let it go......until someone whines like a little Bi-atch (pick a colt).

Look at baseball, pitchers are not supposed to use anything foreign on a baseball, yet they always have a little something in their glove or on their arm and it never gets made into a big deal......unless someone whines. The Umps really just accept it and move on.....because they are all doing it.

Skippy just sour because the only championship he gets to cheer on is the crowd noise bowl....and Seattle just took that title away from them
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not sure how you figure I am sour when I am loving life because once again the Patriots are involved in a cheating scandal maybe if they kept Hernandez guarding the balls this would not have happened.


The only thig that is sour is all the butt hurt and in denial pats fan...
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[Cool Beans]

With cameras everywhere, if they can't find actual video of someone intentionally letting air out or unless someone admits to it, then it is highly possible the balls were low when the ref "checked" them and said they were ok. I highly doubt they actually stick a needle in each ball using a league approved calibrated gauge to test the pressure of these balls. At best the ref, gives them a squeeze and says, yep, those are fine. Brady will come out and say "Everyone knows I like my balls soft" *smile* "the balls were inflated, the ref checked them and we played with the balls as inspected" *nods head* "I never doubt the pressure or have any reason to check the pressure, once the ref checks them. I have to assume they are good to use".

Soon after that the NFL will come out with no evidence of wrong doing.

It's all about Seattle......

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

With cameras everywhere, if they can't find actual video of someone intentionally letting air out or unless someone admits to it, then it is highly possible the balls were low when the ref "checked" them and said they were ok. I highly doubt they actually stick a needle in each ball using a league approved calibrated gauge to test the pressure of these balls. At best the ref, gives them a squeeze and says, yep, those are fine. Brady will come out and say "Everyone knows I like my balls soft" *smile* "the balls were inflated, the ref checked them and we played with the balls as inspected" *nods head* "I never doubt the pressure or have any reason to check the pressure, once the ref checks them. I have to assume they are good to use".

Soon after that the NFL will come out with no evidence of wrong doing.

It's all about Seattle......

Actually, they do check them, with a gauge for pressure, and with a scale for weight. After each one is checked, the referee takes a silver sharpie and makes an identifiable mark, unique to him, under the NFL logo on the ball. Only balls with that mark can be put into play. They also take the kicking balls out of the box (they're a case of new balls shipped in by Wilson for that one game), test each one of those, and with the same silver sharpie, the ref makes a K on each.

Both sets of balls stay in the refs' locker room with the back-up official, until a half hour before the game time. At that point, each team sends a representative---usually the ball boy---to the room, and he or she is given the bag of their team's game balls. The kicking balls stay in the custody of the back-up ref for the whole game.

The NFL has a 1 psi window of legality, and a 2 oz weight window. Letting the refs do the old "give 'er a squeeze and see" would be ludicrous. mainly because there isn't an official in the whole league who could tell if a ball was a pound off by squeezing it. People have to understand that they never, ever handle the ball in the same manner, using the same grip, as a QB. No other players do either. Not even the place kick holders who catch and spot the ball. It's totally different. And the refs probably wouldn't notice if they were 2 pounds under inflated. They don't grip the ball when they spot it in the same way that a QB does. It's all about the grip, not squeezing the ball from the sides.

[Raven]

it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

[beamie]

Originally Posted by Raven

it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by beamie

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

i was under the impression that the amount of air pumped in
changed the weight of the ball as well as the firmness. my bad

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Raven

i was under the impression that the amount of air pumped in
changed the weight of the ball as well as the firmness. my bad

Step back from the bong....
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[Raven]

Originally Posted by beamie

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

quote: League rules mandate each ball must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch,


with an overall weight between 14 and 15 ounces.

[keeperreaper]

Originally Posted by Raven

it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

Huh?

[DZ]

Question - does each team have to submit "brand new" footballs for inspection for each game or can you submit balls used in previous games?

[Gloucester2]

DZ - I read that the teams can submit "used" balls - many quarterbacks have stated they practiced during the week with new balls and submitted them for use during a game. As long as they pass the ref's inspection they are good to go.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by Gloucester2

DZ - I read that the teams can submit "used" balls - many quarterbacks have stated they practiced during the week with new balls and submitted them for use during a game. As long as they pass the ref's inspection they are good to go.

Then I wonder if the balls in question are the same ones used in the last few games. Be easy to say they are and the officials had approved them at each of the previous games. If Brady doesn't admit to it then it will come down to that. I'm wondering if the officials are on the line here - did they inspect AND gauge each ball for pressure? Or did they just give a cursary eyeball and feel inspection? Any official that didn't do his job could be fired if admitting that - would this be cause for them to lie to save their job? This might be how the NFL will want it to shake out - not conclusive. Brady testimony will be key to this.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by DZ

Then I wonder if the balls in question are the same ones used in the last few games. Be easy to say they are and the officials had approved them at each of the previous games. If Brady doesn't admit to it then it will come down to that. I'm wondering if the officials are on the line here - did they inspect AND gauge each ball for pressure? Or did they just give a cursary eyeball and feel inspection? Any official that didn't do his job could be fired if admitting that - would this be cause for them to lie to save their job? This might be how the NFL will want it to shake out - not conclusive. Brady testimony will be key to this.

Baltimore tipped off the colts . Two losers collaborating . It's pathetic
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[Rockfish9]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...i2?ocid=HPCDHP..

it's simple.. the Refs never checked the air pressure..

[Raven]

on the subject of HATERS
let them keep hating
as it releases bad substances into the body
shortening their lifespan which is fine by me.

[ProfessorM]

So in your opinion Mike would a lb or 2 of pressure really make as big a difference with these guys with gloves and giant hands on a games outcome. I really don't see the problem here. Really nit picking IMO.
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[Fly Rod]

also today an expert stated that balls being kept in a warm room and then exposed to the cold element could cause a 2lb difference...being pounced on too....and like one person stated the refs R responsible 1-2 hrs. before the game and the ball people take them to a room at half time.

My own opinion is not guilty by the NFL....

Also did they check any balls of the colts to compare?..have not heard a word about that

[Raven]

i think of it as like buying a pair of new shoe's
at first they are stiff and tight and not overly comfortable
but after a time of wearing those "new" shoes they get
more comfortable and pliable (softer)
and that is something you can TUNE in on
with your hands (or feet) and select them as favorable.

[Sea Dangles]

Thank you for the clarity Raven
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[ProfessorM]

LOL. Rav the cobbler
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[Poncho]

Honestly who really gives a #^&#^&#^&#^& about any of this it's only a stupid game
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[afterhours]

we'll never have all the facts released so it's hard to for me to to form an opinion. i wouldn't bet the farm that bb and tb were telling all they know. i also think that doctoring the balls is one of those hush hush rules that is broken regularly. patriots now mad at the world and will beat the seahawks using this as their rally point.

[spinncognito]

Originally Posted by afterhours

we'll never have all the facts released so it's hard to for me to to form an opinion. i wouldn't bet the farm that bb and tb were telling all they know. i also think that doctoring the balls is one of those hush hush rules that is broken regularly. patriots now mad at the world and will beat the seahawks using this as their rally point.

This!

[buckman]

I found it astounding that the NFL had not contacted Brady . Another thorough investigation lmao
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[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by buckman

I found it astounding that the NFL had not contacted Brady . Another thorough investigation lmao
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Either that or the NFL officials screwed up. The NFL is trying to figure out how to spin it so that they don't look like idiots. Particularly given their recent investigative history.
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[Clammer]

Raven , after reading your last post .as usual I,m confused .......are you describing breaking in a football ???? or a very young , inexperienced $%^&*@

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Clammer

Raven , after reading your last post .as usual I,m confused .......are you describing breaking in a football ???? or a very young , inexperienced $%^&*@

great question Clammer ....Tom sorta was trying to compare it with a baseball glove
after awhile it conforms to your hand's shape

new balls have a waxy coating apparently
and they have to have Vince sit on them during practice

then the Gronk takes them all out and slams them a few times
trying to beat up the piggyskin til the stiffness wears off
after that treatment it feels real good in your hand

[Rockfish9]

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

[Jackbass]

Dqwell Jackson actually just stated he never noticed anything wrong with the ball he intercepted that report was Fabricated

http://m.wcvb.com/sports/colts-jacks..._source=Social
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[Jackbass]

Tom Brady has not once been accused of cheating in any way. Never had a suspension or a fine for that matter as far as I can remember
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