Israel and World War III part four

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Right on, if Hezbolla would knock off the bull %$%$%$%$ Israel would have no reason to be doing what they are doing now. Israel doesnt want this crap, but in thier eyes they have no choice but to take action.

[MakoMike]

Spence,
O.K. what part of it do you disagree with. Do you think the Israelis would continue to attack hezbolla if they laid down their arms and said they wouldn't fight anymore? Or do you disagree that Hezbolla would overrun Israel and massacar the jews if they didn't put up a resistance?

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think Satan thinks this stuff through...he's a hell raiser (pun intended) simply out to create chaos.

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

-spence

NO SPENCE, SATAN IS IS MOOOOOOORE LIKE YOU!!!
YOUR A REAL PAIN IN THE ASS!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Spence,
O.K. what part of it do you disagree with. Do you think the Israelis would continue to attack hezbolla if they laid down their arms and said they wouldn't fight anymore? Or do you disagree that Hezbolla would overrun Israel and massacar the jews if they didn't put up a resistance?

I think the entire statement is bunk, here's my typical long winded response. It's so humid my fingers are sticking to the keyboard, and I can't get them free

Put simply, it's not an objetive statement. It's a wedge intended to influence people to one side only.

On that basis alone I reject it's value, because I don't want to be manupulated. by someone with an agenda.

It's unfortunate that our Puritan roots so easily push us into black or white decisions...but the real world is quite gray.

The reality is that the majority of Christian Arabs in the region support Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance organization formed in response to Israeli occupation.

Additionally, Hezbolla provides social and health programs for a very large population. This is in stark contrast to the holocost scenario presented in the statement.

That doesn't mean they're your perfect next door neighbor, certainly they're guilty of horrific acts. But Israel doesn't exactly have a clear record either, and from an Arab perspective...it's worse!

More to the point.

I believe that there are just as many uber Zionists who want to take all of the West Bank from the Palestenians as there are uber anti-semites who want to expell the Jews to the sea...a small number of both relatively speaking. This fight is being fueled by the extreme who want to position their man on deck for the end of days.

But both Jews and Arabs are perfectly capable of living side by side and in peace...they've done it throughout history and in they do it today, there are over 2 Million Arabs living in Israel right now.

Giving credence to the statement bolsters the positions of the radicals on both sides...and does nothing to help construct a meaningful solution.

-spence

[likwid]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Stop quoting bad talk show hosts.

[Skip N]

Im starting to wonder if some of you guys would've had trouble taking sides during WWII.

I can just hear Spence: well yeah Hitler is taking over half of Europe and slaughtering Jews, but he's done so much for Germany and restored confidence in the German people, so maybe he's just misunderstood and not an evil man like most assume

Once you recognize that radical islam and groups such as Hezbolah, Al Queada and Hamas are the new form of Nazism, it will be much easier for you to see the pure evil in these people, and stop making excuses for them. They are pure evil blood thirsty killers, and they would happily come into your house and mine and slaughter us as we sleep. Still wanna make excuses for these little scumbags?

They all need to die.

Have a good day....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Once you recognize that radical islam and groups such as Hezbolah, Al Queada and Hamas are the new form of Nazism, it will be much easier for you to see the pure evil in these people, and stop making excuses for them.

Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...

First off you're comparing apples and oranges.

Second, this isn't about making excuses...it's about an appreciation for the real root causes of the issues we face.

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

...or do you also ask yourself, what would drive a person to do this?

It's not as simple as good and evil, which is why we're not winning the "war on terrorisim".

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...


If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

-spence

Who the hell ever said to go kill ALL muslims? I support the killing of RADICAL muslims who wish to do me and others harm. Most people don't have an issue with peaceful muslims. Its the radical brain washed ones I and most people have issue with.

I know you think myself and anyone who supports the war on radical Islam wants all Muslims wiped off the map, but you know for a fact this isnt the case. Typical spin from the lefties

And maybe if other countries other than the US, Israel and Britian gave a rats ass about taking down radical islam and terroists we'd be alot further along in this war on terror. The rest of the world sits back and kisses the asses of these muslim countries that support terror. kinda like you! You'd rather we sit back and talk to to these thugs, the only thing they understand is FORCE. I know liberals hate to use force, but sometimes when you face a pure evil enemy, you have no choice but to use heavy force.

We either confront radical Islam head on now, or we'll be forced to deal with them again down the road, maybe after another 9/11 or two? they are NOT going away anytime soon unless we take the fight to them. If we dont, they'll be waiting to strike us again and again.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

-spence

If I had been waiting in line and the coffee was good.... Yes!



Skip! Spence!

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...

First off you're comparing apples and oranges.

Second, this isn't about making excuses...it's about an appreciation for the real root causes of the issues we face.

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

...or do you also ask yourself, what would drive a person to do this?

It's not as simple as good and evil, which is why we're not winning the "war on terrorisim".

-spence

Onyl the ones who vow to do it again. And there is plenty of them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Onyl the ones who vow to do it again. And there is plenty of them.

Unless you can stop the flow of new recruits, there will always be plenty.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

We either confront radical Islam head on now, or we'll be forced to deal with them again down the road, maybe after another 9/11 or two?

But Skipper, we're not "confronting" radical Islam at all, quite the contrary...we're doing much to empower it.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Unless you can stop the flow of new recruits, there will always be plenty.

-spence

and how is this done? seriously?

[stormfish]

Isreal is in conflict with Hezbollah at the moment but let's not forget about Hamas. Isreal primary objective now is obviously to decentralize Hezbollah and 'with success to intimidate Hamas' (secondary objective). It's very unlikely Hamas and Hezbollah will join forces for they are rival tribes.

There will never be peace with Isreal and the Arab World. Grudge between the two is inevitable! There's a lot of Muslims to take out compared to Isrealites. Only thing keeping Isreal up is that they have big guns.

If the U.S. continue operations in the Middle East then there will be a WWIII, it's just a matter of time.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

and how is this done? seriously?

Well, first you have to ask yourself...

Why do people strap bombs to themselves, or fly airplanes into buildings?

The profile seems to be young, and often educated Muslims.

So why do they do this?

-spence

[stripersnipr]

We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will.
Neville Chamberlain

[spence]

Originally Posted by stormfish

There will never be peace with Isreal and the Arab World. Grudge between the two is inevitable!

It's that attitude that leads to rampant violence and dehumanization.

This is America, we're supposed to be more optimistic

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, first you have to ask yourself...

Why do people strap bombs to themselves, or fly airplanes into buildings?

The profile seems to be young, and often educated Muslims.

So why do they do this?

-spence

Because we do give them reason for extreme responses.... what astrological sign are you Devil Man?

[Swimmer]

Spence ask, "Why do people strap bombs to themselves, or fly airplanes into buildings?"
Spence

Because thier stupid bassturds thats why. And there are too many cowards around recruiting the uneducated illiterate buffoons.

Spence one of the few things you have posted that I disagree with is in regard to MakoMike's post about what I think O'Reilly first spoke of about Israel laying down thier arms and thier wouldn't be another holocost. To think that Israel would not be obliterated is an absurdity.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Because thier stupid bassturds thats why. And there are too many cowards around recruiting the uneducated illiterate buffoons.

Swimmer, that simply isn't true...

Yes, there are examples (particularly in Palestine) where terror groups have prayed on the weak.

But the profile for a high-impact suicide terrorist is often college educated...

Do you think Mohammed Atta was a dunce? Certainly not...the 9/11 hijackers were not (to our knowledge) forced into anything...they used their free will to hurt others.

Spence one of the few things you have posted that I disagree with is in regard to MakoMike's post about what I think O'Reilly first spoke of about Israel laying down thier arms and thier wouldn't be another holocost. To think that Israel would not be obliterated is an absurdity.

Fair enough...

But remember that the various Palestenian terror groups have evolved as a reactive, not proactive presence. This isn't to lay blame.

-spence

[stormfish]

Strapped with bombs I believe... Terrorist flying airplanes into buildings I do not. 9/11 isn't enough evidence that it was the works of terrorists. Too hard to this day to believe.

["uffah!!"]

Well Spence, since you have all the answers, Pack you %$%$%$%$ and go to the middle east and straighten out all the trouble!!

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Strapped with bombs I believe... Terrorist flying airplanes into buildings I do not. 9/11 isn't enough evidence that it was the works of terrorists. Too hard to this day to believe.

Dude, your retarded! I'm sure Mike P will go on another rampage and pull my post but i dont care. I cant believe someone can be such a moron and believe 9/11 was an inside job. You belong in the nut house!!

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Dude, your retarded!

Wow that's intellectually refreshing...

I mean it's too fishy and I don't mean the ones that swim to believe that the black box in the planes all got destroyed but through all that destruction a terrorist passport of a man who's still alive survived unscaved.

Who do you think were in the planes? Any bodies found? Any DNA samples found? Where's the proof of who did it? Tell me Skip if I'm so retarded... Enlighten me : " "

BTW, it's "you're" not your

[Skip N]

Spence, i need your help, i am totally confused with what you want to to with these terroists. I mean obviosly we can't sit back and do nothing or we'll get wacked again, and your saying we can't go after them because it will breed more hatred in the radical muslim world. And we certainly can't talk and reason with these nut cases. So what the hell is your plan???

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Wow that's intellectually refreshing...

I mean it's too fishy and I don't mean the ones that swim to believe that the black box in the planes all got destroyed but through all that destruction a terrorist passport of a man who's still alive survived unscaved.

Who do you think was in the planes? Any bodies found? Any DNA samples found? Where's the proof of who did it? Tell me Skip if I'm so retarded... Enlighten me : " "

HAHAHA your a total nutcase! Sorry but i dont waste my time talking to complete wackos.... At least Spence has some good suggestions and is well informed (even though i dissagree with him lots!) but you my good friend, have some serious mental problems if you believe 9/11 was carried by the US Goverment, or whatever the hell you believe. get lost and take your wacko theries with you.

[stormfish]

Well who's is nutty enough to rig presidential votes?

[stormfish]

Rather be thinking like a nutcase than one who is ignorant. I bet you think there still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to be found don't you?

[Skitterpop]

have been my dreams of late..........

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, first you have to ask yourself...

Why do people strap bombs to themselves, or fly airplanes into buildings?

The profile seems to be young, and often educated Muslims.

So why do they do this?

-spence

Why do we have to ask ourselves that question? It's like asking why the Kamakasi pilots during WWII did what they did. Its a pointless discussion, we don't need to understand them, we just need to kill them.