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12-11-2009, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
JD's record is broken...
look at it this way, if we hadn't gone into Iraq..Barak Hasan Obama could bitch in all of his speeches that Bush ignored the threat that Saddam posed for the last 8 years and now he has to deal with it rather than fixing the economy....I'm sure that UN sanctions would have been just as effective as removing Saddam, they are working just swimmingly with Iran  |
Iran hasn't really seen very harsh UN sanctions yet. Bush's complete lack of (disdain for really) diplomacy is still being felt.
Interesting to think that we were actually working together in Afghanistan after 9/11 before the "Axis of Evil" speech.
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12-11-2009, 09:11 AM
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George W. Bush.
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Show me where he said that was the REASON we went in!  |
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12-11-2009, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Iran hasn't really seen very harsh UN sanctions yet. Bush's complete lack of (disdain for really) diplomacy is still being felt.
Interesting to think that we were actually working together in Afghanistan after 9/11 before the "Axis of Evil" speech.
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Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong. |
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12-11-2009, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong.
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Why exactly is any of the above America's responsibility to fix? Iran having the bomb is significantly less dangerous than N. Korea having the bomb. It's, literally, not our problem. Iran having the bomb is probably less of a risk to the US than Pakistan - at least Iran has a legitimate.
Why don't we have tougher sanctions?
You tell me. Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place. |
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12-11-2009, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
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Why don't we have tougher sanctions?
You tell me. Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place.
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Bush was working on his Nobel Peace prize |
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12-11-2009, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place.
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so it was up to Bush to get UN sanctions in place???? was Bush blocking any proposed UN sanctions against Iran? maybe just the "really harsh" ones |
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12-11-2009, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong.
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What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.
Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.
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12-11-2009, 03:06 PM
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so it was up to Bush to get UN sanctions in place???? was Bush blocking any proposed UN sanctions against Iran? maybe just the "really harsh" ones |
Nope. But buckman's inferring that it is our President's job to get sanctions in place.
Bush and Blair couldn't get it done for the same reason Obama and Gordon Brown haven't be able to - the Chinese and Russians have too many financial interests in Iran and will veto proposed sanctions. Strong enough support from other members in the Security Council (and UN as a whole)needs to exist and they must step up and put pressure on the Chinese and Russians. |
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12-11-2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Nope. But buckman's inferring that it is our President's job to get sanctions in place.
Bush and Blair couldn't get it done for the same reason Obama and Gordon Brown haven't be able to - the Chinese and Russians have too many financial interests in Iran and will veto proposed sanctions. Strong enough support from other members in the Security Council (and UN as a whole)needs to exist and they must step up and put pressure on the Chinese and Russians.
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Don't worry JD, Bush looked into Putin's soul and he's a trusty fellow who I'm sure we share much common ground with.
Not sure what he saw when he looked at the Chinese people.
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12-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.
Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.
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Maybe you could give us " the inside scoop" as to what the looming deadline will entail. |
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12-13-2009, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
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LMAO, Salty, just choked on my sandwich. 
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12-13-2009, 02:44 PM
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Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????
Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need." |
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12-13-2009, 04:58 PM
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Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????
Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need."
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Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
-spence |
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12-13-2009, 05:02 PM
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Yes it is. |
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12-13-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
-spence
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He's retained Bush's man do do the job Bush warned needed to be done years ago. This, IOM is a good thing. |
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12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
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Yes I read the article, that's where the quote came from.
I like the word potentially when used about China and Russia getting on board.
We haven't even been able to get our Allie?, Italy to stop selling helicopters to Iran.
It's 11 months now not 9. Another month and he owns it all.
Your right, but you can say what you mean and mean what you say
showing you are coming from a source of power, not bowing down and
making nice.
Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
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12-14-2009, 08:36 PM
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Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
but you can't reason with an unreasonable man.
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One man doesn't run Iran.
-spence |
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12-14-2009, 08:39 PM
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One man doesn't run Iran.
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Well let me change that, you can't reason with unreasonable men.  |
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12-14-2009, 11:06 PM
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One man doesn't run Iran.
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Well kind of, but it's not Ahmadinejad. It's mostly Ayatollah Khamenei. |
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12-15-2009, 03:52 PM
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Back to HC. Just got back from my opthamologist who now requires
photo ID along with the proof of insurance because of a new Big Brother requirement called Red Tag or Red Flag?
If you haven't heard of it yet, you will, as according to him it will be required for
all business where billing is done.
Another way of tracking and getting personal info.
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12-15-2009, 04:16 PM
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Sooo... it's an issue that they want to make sure the patient they are seeing is the actual patient?
Yeah, what a hassle
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Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-15-2009, 04:20 PM
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Sooo... it's an issue that they want to make sure the patient they are seeing is the actual patient?
Yeah, what a hassle
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Sounds like a measure to combat fraud.
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12-15-2009, 07:41 PM
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Yeah, what a hassle
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Not for me RRH, i'm on Medicare they have my medical records.
It's the guys that have private insurance where now their records are open
through the back door by another government agency, and the
businesses who bill others having the extra hassel and expense of keeping
even more records. |
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12-19-2009, 06:07 PM
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Looks like Nelson sold out.
Earmarks, earmarks and more earmarks.
Wasn't it Obama who promised no bill with earmarks would pass his desk?
How do these guys live with themselves?
The final vote scheduled 1:30 in the morning when we can't look these guys in
the eye when they say aye. Just that alone is enough for me to know
they are trying to pull a fast one on the American public.
Like my Dad used to say about my 12:00 AM curfew as a teenager,
"Nothing good can happen after 12 AM."
I knew he was right then, and nothing has changed since.
If this were a good bill they would be shouting about it from the roof tops.
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12-19-2009, 08:06 PM
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It's going to get done.. How's that whole transparency thing working for ya?
You don't have to play by the rules (even when you set them yourself) if no one holds you accountable.
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12-20-2009, 07:35 AM
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Watch out. Obama's a checklist kind of guy. While everyone is criticizing the last initiative, he's on to the next.
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12-21-2009, 12:36 PM
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I heard Steve Forbes interviewed on the radio this morning.
He agrees HC competition should be opened across state lines.
His personal policy in NJ is costing him $15,000, a plan with the
same benefits from Pa. would cost him $7,000.
What a waste this humongous HC Bill is. |
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12-22-2009, 09:43 AM
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Appears the pharmaceutical companies got a sweet deal....hey, wasn't that emergency appointment to Kennedy's seat a pharmaceutical lobbiest?
Wow, I mean WOW, that's a weird coincidence.
Thank you DEMS!!! And you managed to screw the seniors too.
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