Get some sleep - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Sea Dangles · 09-15-2011, 12:42 PM

The Striper Cup is over.In addition to allowing Greg Myerson to join Team Striper,the heavy hitters have been virtually sinking their boats recently with 50# fish.If there is anybody left who thinks the tournament is a good idea, or for that matter even fair then have at it.Something tells me this is the last year for a lot of teams.

Rob Rockcrawler · 09-15-2011, 12:50 PM

Crap, so the 82 lber i kept this morning isnt gunna be in the cup.

Rappin Mikey · 09-15-2011, 12:58 PM

I thought it went through the 19th????

mikecc · 09-15-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rappin Mikey

I thought it went through the 19th????

Mikey is right called OTW today ,Last day is Monday

Rob Rockcrawler · 09-16-2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mikecc

Mikey is right called OTW today ,Last day is Monday

I will be in with the 82lber this morning. Unfortunately it has shrunken over the past couple days.

Back Beach · 09-16-2011, 06:15 AM

The whole killing of large breeders argument is BS. I don't feel the tournament elevates it at all. Those fish are coming home regardless in most cases. I'm ok with the tournament rules for the most part too.

I opted out this year simply because I have no longer have any use for tournaments...they don't do anything for me anymore...get your name on a trophy, win a prize, read the headlines, pound your chest, I'm better than you..I personally don't need all the amateurish BS that comes with entering contests of any kind.

WoodyCT · 09-15-2011, 01:11 PM

OTW ROTS !

Just sayin'...

luds · 09-15-2011, 02:15 PM

It's not even worth talking about it in this thread. Nobody cares.

I sent anything worth weighing in back into the water (not that it would have mattered for the team competition anyway). I couldn't even stomach killing it for the free gear. A free VS is one thing but other than the shot at a monthly prize there is nothing appealing about the tournament anymore. I have enough gear already so all I would have been doing is some indirect commercial fishing since I would have sold it all for the money.

Personally I hope we don't field a team next year but that's really up to whether guys want to or not. I won't criticize anyone but I'm over it. I may still sign up for the off chance I could win a monthly and put a few bucks in my pocket but I probably would not look to weigh in anything for the team.

I should fill out some C&R forms though because I kind of like having the pins.

onecastmike2003 · 09-15-2011, 03:08 PM

I love the magazine but the senseless killing of the breeders has to stop.
Just sayin

Got Stripers · 09-15-2011, 03:27 PM

I joined the first year, only for the raffle ticket, but I can't support a policy that kills large breeding females. I don't even keep anything but the occassional 28-30" griller, switching over to black sea bass for the better taste anyway.

tattoobob · 09-15-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by luds

It's not even worth talking about it in this thread. Nobody cares.

I sent anything worth weighing in back into the water (not that it would have mattered for the team competition anyway). I couldn't even stomach killing it for the free gear. A free VS is one thing but other than the shot at a monthly prize there is nothing appealing about the tournament anymore. I have enough gear already so all I would have been doing is some indirect commercial fishing since I would have sold it all for the money.

Personally I hope we don't field a team next year but that's really up to whether guys want to or not. I won't criticize anyone but I'm over it. I may still sign up for the off chance I could win a monthly and put a few bucks in my pocket but I probably would not look to weigh in anything for the team.

I should fill out some C&R forms though because I kind of like having the pins.

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Originally Posted by onecastmike2003

I love the magazine but the senseless killing of the breeders has to stop.
Just sayin

Agreed

Bill L · 09-15-2011, 03:49 PM

477 fish weighed so far
1-80's
1-70's
17-50's
111-40's
211-30's
106-20's
29-teens

Saltheart · 09-15-2011, 05:04 PM

I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.

The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.

As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.

We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.

To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.

Uncle Rob · 09-15-2011, 06:45 PM

Has anyone ever thought that because most of us release fish that we are now seeing larger fish 60#, 70# and even that 80#. Thanks guy's.

MarshCappa · 09-20-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saltheart

I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.

The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.

As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.

We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.

To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.

Really well said. I totally agree with your point of view.

Back Beach · 09-20-2011, 12:00 PM

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...

Mike P · 09-20-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.

Sea Dangles · 09-20-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

Thumper · 09-15-2011, 06:44 PM

If you guys don't do a team next year, you should definitely put the SB 4 leg back together and can organize it all over ........(I'm not going to say it).

striperman36 · 09-15-2011, 06:46 PM

I agree with the sentiments expressed here and do not participate in Striper Cup for all of these reasons. It's a nice extra income for commercials at the end of the season too.

nightfighter · 09-15-2011, 07:40 PM

Tourneys lost their appeal for me this year. They are not why I fish, so none for me this year.

It would be interesting to see how many weekly and monthly winners hold commercial licenses.......

piemma · 09-16-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

Tourneys lost their appeal for me this year. They are not why I fish, so none for me this year.

It would be interesting to see how many weekly and monthly winners hold commercial licenses.......

Ross, the same thing happened to me this year. I got fed up with the BS associated with the OTW Cup.

It is dominated by the comm guys anyway. Hell, who has the time to fish as hard as they do. If you are making a living, or at the very least, putting gas money in your pocket, you are spending considerably more time on the water so your percentages of getting a weighable fish are greater.

Now, don't all you commercial guys get your panties in a bunch. I am not criticizing you. It's fine what you do and the fish get eaten so "no harm, no foul". I am just stating a fact. You fish more because there are dollars involved so you catch more and, correspondingly, you get bigger fish.

NE-Stripes · 09-15-2011, 08:20 PM

Never really understood the the whole big breeder aspect of the argument a dead fish is a dead fish. A 50 is a lot closer to the end of its life cycle than a 15 #er. I believe killing many fish to win some gear or gain prestige is light years away from why I and I belive many others became striper crazy. That being said I have killed my share of fish for the wrong reason so I do not hold anything against those that fish these types of touneys

Nebe · 09-15-2011, 10:03 PM

Never joined. Never will.
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bart · 09-15-2011, 10:17 PM

Didn't sign up this year. I never catch anything that's worth weighing for our team anyways. But this tournament is a joke IMO. Brings out the worst in people...

Abodeon · 09-15-2011, 11:21 PM

Never have and will never participate. if you're not going to eat it, don't keep it. And some tournament guys I know discard fish.

ThrowingTimber · 09-16-2011, 09:03 AM

I like competition always have always will. In light of recent events I would not participate going forward. Not that I'm a strong contributor anyhow. I'm all in for getting our 4 leg tourney back up and running. But like luds would be amazed if we fielded a team next year.
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Rockport24 · 09-16-2011, 09:27 AM

totally agree with a lot of what has been posted here. I think the comms guys taking it over really hurt it, although I agree it is well within their rights to do so. Maybe its fun for those guys, but IMO it has taken the fun out of it for the "average" fisherman.

Some of the best "tournaments" are the friendly ones that clubs have and I agree we should try and do more of those types of things on this site, understanding that its tough to get dates nailed down in season...

Back Beach · 09-16-2011, 09:51 AM

^ Most of the regulars on Team S-B have comm licenses too as did I when I fished it. I don't see it as a huge advantage for any one team.

The only additional smoothing out OTW could do for the team competition is make it one fish per angler towards the total.

As for the other stuff there's big prizes, thus big incentives, for folks to bend and/or break the rules. Without enforceable guidelines for the weigh stations its too easy for someone to cheat.

fishbones · 09-16-2011, 10:06 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing OTW or some other entity doing a strictly C&R tourney going forward. Not only would it keep them in the spotlight, but I think it would also paint them in a more favorable light with the more conservation minded anglers. It may not be as popular as the current format, but there would still be some sponsors who would get involved. People could keep fish if they wanted to, but those of us who would rather release them would still be able to get in on prizes.