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[JohnR]

The NFL's silence is deafening

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The NFL's silence is deafening

Bingo
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[beamie]

I think the Pats should have had Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones comes out dressed in black with the flashy pen thing and just tell everyone to look this way for a second and zip nothing to see hear folks.

[Jackbass]

By the way the guy "mortensen" reporting the 11/12 balls were 2 pounds under also stated the Janae(sp.) Rice bumped her head in the Elevator when she was rendered unconscious by her Then Fiance's fist.
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[thefishingfreak]

My bet is the balls they played with are the balls that were approved, as they were approved.
The refs failed to check the psi because they NEVER do but are afraid to admit it.
They probably only check to see if all the laces are tight. and they aren't falling apart and move along to the next one.

[Got Stripers]

Does anyone really believe that little air pressure difference would make any difference in this year's outcome; Colt's game the obvious answer is no. With people being beheaded, nut jobs shooting up our kids schools, quality surgeons with character being gunned down at their jobs; this is what we are focused on all week long. I wish we had a "good news" station, because our priorities are as deflated as this issue is.

[spence]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

My bet is the balls they played with are the balls that were approved, as they were approved.
The refs failed to check the psi because they NEVER do but are afraid to admit it.
They probably only check to see if all the laces are tight. and they aren't falling apart and move along to the next one.

That's my theory as well. It's conceivable if Brady does like a soft ball to under-inflate most of them under the assumption they refs won't really check and if they all feel the same won't notice. I don't think it's illegal to submit an under-inflated ball, just to manipulate it once approved. Could have also been who ever inflated them screwed up and the refs didn't catch it.

Now the NFL has to either admit their refs blew it or make a statement fine right before the Super Bowl.

The Commissioner is in a pickle.

[Clogston29]

we have heard that the refs checked the pressure at half time with two gages. the question is, did they check them before the game in the same way. I have not heard that (anyone?). that's all I really want to know. if the balls weren't checked with gages pregame, then the half time readings are meaningless and baring some really concrete evidence, its on the league and refs for allowing under inflated balls into the game. if they were checked and documented both pregame and half time, burden of proof shifts to the pats IMO.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

we have heard that the refs checked the pressure at half time with two gages. the question is, did they check them before the game in the same way. I have not heard that (anyone?). that's all I really want to know. if the balls weren't checked with gages pregame, then the half time readings are meaningless and baring some really concrete evidence, its on the league and refs for allowing under inflated balls into the game. if they were checked and documented both pregame and half time, burden of proof shifts to the pats IMO.

Agree, unless they have actual readings for individual balls they can compare to halftime data, or video evidence there's no there there.

[MakoMike]

This whole thing is turning into a pig pile by the press at the instigation of that one reporter from ESPN. So far, no one, in the know, has alleged any wrongdoing by anyone. Its all rumor and innuendo designed to sell the news stories.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

This whole thing is turning into a pig pile by the press at the instigation of that one reporter from ESPN. So far, no one, in the know, has alleged any wrongdoing by anyone. Its all rumor and innuendo designed to sell the news stories.

I agree Mike - ESPN continues to reference "NFL Sources" but they never have revealed their sources! It's not like these analysts are real reporters and need to protect sources. Tell everyone who they are so they can be questioned. NFL needs to get going on this and could have avoided this whole controversy had they just announced on Monday morning that the Patriots had been fined $25,000 for using underinflated balls.

[ProfessorM]

He most likely submitted the balls as he liked them and has done the same for years. Under by a lb or 2 psi. Always has. You going to tell me this one game he all of sudden changed his routine. I doubt it.
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[spence]

Our you have them inflate to the minimum and the weather deflates them further.

Rumor now is the NFL has no evidence so they're going to drop the investigation

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by spence

Rumor now is the NFL has no evidence so they're going to drop the investigation

Given all the finger pointing and name calling, that's a very irresponsible position for the NFL to take.

[DZ]

Just think of the ramifications of Brady admitting to knowing about it:
They range from being fined to being suspended from playing the Super Bowl. Does he take the chance? WEEI compared it to stealing grapes at the supermarket. If the penalty for the insignificant crime of stealing a grape was going to jail for a year would you admit to it? Right now there is a MOB mentality in the rest of the country looking to crucify Brady for stealing a grape. He had no choice. Better to deny it at this stage and take the punishment if guilty at a later date.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I had heard that they got deflated while riding the elevator down to the field. TMZ should break the case for the NFL sometime next week with the video from the elevator. Stay Tuned.....
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[johnny ducketts]

I'm sticking to my story, it was the guy on the grassy knoll who deflated them, or it was that nefarious villian Ray Finkle, who once tried to submarine the Miami Dolphin's chances at a Super Bowl.

[Sea Dangles]

My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by zacs

nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.

Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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Says who? What was the pressure when checked before game? What was the pressure at half?

None of those stories have come from anywhere official [NFL].

Many of the "facts" that "sources" stated have already proven false.

I'm not saying the pats did or didn't cheat, I just have no facts to prove either point, and neither do you.

[afterhours]

after absorbing what i hear from misc sources my best guess is that the patriots submitted the low pressure balls to the officials and their inspection didn't include gauging the balls- just visual and in hand inspection. the dolts after being alerted by the cons...errrhhh i mean ravens brought it up the officials late in the 2nd period. nfl is thoroughly embarrassed and working strategy out. just a guess on my part.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

...opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs....
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already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by zacs

already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.

Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters
At halftime they were not (tooth fairy?)
You are not paying attn to detail.
I never said player,it was an eqpt guy. I am guessing you thought Lance was innocent until the confession......
Oh, and Don, we really are not in position to call any other team the cons with the trial about to start for Hernandez ( who Zacs thinks is innocent also)
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[Raven]

heard on the radio about a team of attorney's
at the helm
forensics being performed
40 people interviewed
this is nutty

[Pete F.]

Personally I think we are all being scammed by the NFL and sports media. Everyone is talking about it, even if only to say how stupid it is and that it makes no difference.
Would even 1% of you be paying any attention to the NFL before the "big" game or would you be discussing what the best halftime food is?

[hq2]

I don't usually post on non-SB topics, but I felt like a few things
ought to be pointed out (hey, it's Friday night, I'm bored and the
Celtics aren't on prime time).

1. The issue of whether the Pats deflated balls for the Colts game
isn't that big a deal, at least as far as the game is concerned; the
Pats played better with the regular balls and the Colts got stomped.

HOWEVER:

2. The issue of whether they deflated them for the Ravens game
DOES matter. That was a one score game which Brady won on a
perfect throw to Brandon Lafell. If that ball had gone two feet in
any direction from where it went, it was an incompletion, and the
Pats might have lost the game. If the ball was deflated, did that help
Brady make a better throw? What about some other throws in that
game?

3. How long has this been going on anyway? Does it date maybe to
that period about a month into the season where Brady stank, and
all of a sudden he was great? Was this an attempt by an aging player
to grab for one last edge before his Super Bowl window closed forever?

4. I don't believe Belichick was in on this. He's too smart, and he knows
the other teams can readily prove the issue. I don't think he
would take a chance like that. I think only Brady (may have) been
involved.

O.K., so that's what happens when you're bored on a Friday night.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Nobody talking about the Colts player that was arrested for Rape the night before the AFC Championship, lots of talking about air pressure gauges though.

Goodell loves it......
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[Slipknot]

I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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Only because you have 5x more post than anyone else hehhehehehe
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