Trump’s losing it

[Sea Dangles]

Paul is confused by terms like “ethics”. This word is like kryptonite to snowflakes.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Paul is confused by terms like “ethics”. This word is like kryptonite to snowflakes.
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Stick to trying to insult the children of people who participate this forum.

[Pete F.]

So basically, Barr’s way of determining whether the FBI did its investigation by the book is — to do an investigation totally off the books.
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[Jim in CT]

paul you don’t think she’s corrupt, she wasn’t selling influence and taking questionable donations to her global initiative while secretary of state?

she didn’t lie explicitly about her email server ?

how about as first lady, using her platform to slut shame
the victims of her husband, calling them narcissistic looney tunes? that doesn’t sound exactly, and i mean exactly like Trump?

she didn’t take help from the media and the dnc to ensure she won the nomination, regardless of what a majority of the people might have wanted?

i can admit all of trumps moral lapses. i see little
evidence that the lefties here can do the same, spence would have a nervous breakdown before he’s admit she’s a as flawed as she is.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

paul you don’t think she’s corrupt, she wasn’t selling influence and taking questionable donations to her global initiative while secretary of state?No, I don't think she is corrupt - that is a very strong word. What has she been arrested/indicted for?

she didn’t lie explicitly about her email server ?

how about as first lady, using her platform to slut shame
the victims of her husband, calling them narcissistic looney tunes? that doesn’t sound exactly, and i mean exactly like Trump? Wrong (on her part) - doesn't make her unethical.

she didn’t take help from the media and the dnc to ensure she won the nomination, regardless of what a majority of the people might have wanted? what help - and accepting help doesn't make someone unethical

i can admit all of trumps moral lapses. moral lapses? - stealing from his own foundation, etc. etc. i see little
evidence that the lefties here can do the same, spence would have a nervous breakdown before he’s admit she’s a as flawed as she is.
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Trump has "moral lapses" but Hillary's accepting "help from the media" makes her unethical? There is no comparison between Hillary (or 99.9% of the pop.) and Trump.

[Pete F.]

It’s not a good look when sycophant Lindsey Graham, who lost all credibility ages ago, is the only GOP senator who will go on TV to defend you on Sunday shows.

And then, on Monday, GOP Senate Majority Leader goes on TV to say, yes, we’ll have have an impeachment trial.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s not a good look when sycophant Lindsey Graham, who lost all credibility ages ago, is the only GOP senator who will go on TV to defend you on Sunday shows.

And then, on Monday, GOP Senate Majority Leader goes on TV to say, yes, we’ll have have an impeachment trial.
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for years, Graham angered conservatives because he was so friendly to the democrats. now
he’s sean hannity?

you also said somewhere i think, that Warren wouldn’t accept a coronation? right, there’s no evidence whatsoever, that she’d ever do anything fishy to get a job she wants, for example, i don’t know, maybe lying about her race?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for years, Graham angered conservatives because he was so friendly to the democrats. now
he’s sean hannity?

you also said somewhere i think, that Warren wouldn’t accept a coronation? right, there’s no evidence whatsoever, that she’d ever do anything fishy to get a job she wants, for example, i don’t know, maybe lying about her race?
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Lots worse whataboutism by Putin's Puppet

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Lots worse whataboutism by Putin's Puppet

point is, Graham was a real ally and friend to the democrats, until
he saw how low they were willing to go with Kavanaugh. Graham ( who voted for Kagan and Sotomayor)
finally woke up.
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[Got Stripers]

When speaking to Trump or listening to him in person, it's critically important to not stand too close, or you might loose an eye.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

point is, Graham was a real ally and friend to the democrats, until
he saw how low they were willing to go with Kavanaugh. Graham ( who voted for Kagan and Sotomayor)
finally woke up.
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Trump was the only President to not have a pet, until he got Lapdog Lindsey
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[Jim in CT]

paul, a clean arrest record shows one isn’t corrupt? so trump isn't corrupt?

not one of the libs here, is capable of admitting anything that doesn’t serve the narrative. trump is moral ( not evil). hilary is deeply corrupt.

a hungry person accepting food isn’t corrupt. hilary being complicit in riviera g the primary is something else.
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[Pete F.]

Have other presidents congratulated the birth of the Communist Party regime in China?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to President Xi and the Chinese people on the 70th Anniversary of the People’s Republic of China!
6:54 AM · Oct 1, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Have other presidents congratulated the birth of the Communist Party regime in China?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to President Xi and the Chinese people on the 70th Anniversary of the People’s Republic of China!
6:54 AM · Oct 1, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

it’s an idiotic thing to say. the remedy for that is winning the next election, not undoing the previous one.

i see Pelosi on all
the talk shows saying this isn’t a time to celebrate,, it’s a time for contemplation and prayer. Then I see Talib selling t shirts that say impeach the mother effer. So which is it?
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[Pete F.]

NEW: Attorney General William Barr has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials, including in the U.K. and Italy, seeking their help in investigation of the Russia investigation.

Our foreign intelligence counterparts are at a minimum confused and at worst pulling back on cooperation. Neither benefit US national security.

[Pete F.]

If they wanted to understand origins of Trump-Russia, DOJ would review Trump's business records 2006-2016

Instead Wm Barr is pressuring allies to agree that Russia was innocent and Trump was a victim.

Barr is not "scrutinizing" anything, he's fabricating a cover-up

[Pete F.]

Why do you need to discredit a report that finds you innocent of both collusion & obstruction? Hmmm

Because Trump is trying to exonerate Putin in an effort to lift Russian sanctions – which has been Putin's goal since he installed Trump in the White House. Also, progress on Trump's Moscow Tower hinges on getting sanctions lifted.

[Sea Dangles]

The fact is that Trump has run for office one time. He beat a career politician easily. He took over for a president who simply had no qualifications. Ever. The guy was a community organizer and then served the senate.

Greatest president of our lifetime
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[Jim in CT]

sorry, what the democrats “tried to do” to kavanaugh.
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[Pete F.]

GOP defenses for Trump’s Ukraine call quickly collapse under scrutiny

The Republican defenses for President Donald Trump’s conduct on Ukraine simply don’t hold up.

At first glance, that can be hard to discern. Trump, his aides and select allies in Congress have feverishly sought to redirect a whistleblower’s complaints toward Democratic adversaries.

“It is the height of insanity for the Democrats to try and bogusly impeach President Trump for simply calling out this corruption,” a Republican National Committee spokesman asserted over the weekend.

Yet even cursory scrutiny of evidence that has emerged so far knocks down assorted GOP arguments like shanties in a hurricane. Here’s a brief review:

It was hearsay
House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy notes that “the whistleblower wasn’t on the call” between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart. “Hearsay,” Sen. Lindsey Graham insists, cannot be a basis for impeachment.

Both observations are irrelevant. In the partial transcript of the call released by the White House itself, Trump’s own words affirm the whistleblower’s account. That is direct evidence, not hearsay.

“If they thought it would be exculpatory, they miscalculated badly,” GOP former Sen. Jeff Flake told me.

Biased whistleblower
The president says the still-unidentified whistleblower harbors “known bias” against him. This observation, which the intelligence community inspector general called “arguable,” does not discredit the whistleblower’s allegations, which the inspector general found “credible.”

If the whistleblower’s information is accurate, his motivation doesn’t matter. Trump’s own former homeland security advisor, Thomas Bossert, has described himself as “deeply disturbed” by the president’s behavior, too.

Media distortion
On “60 Minutes” Sunday night, CBS correspondent Scott Pelley asked about Trump’s comment that “I need you to do us a favor, though” after Ukraine’s new president requested military aid to counter Russian aggression.

“You added a word there,” GOP leader McCarthy replied, referring to the damning “though.”

McCarthy’s assertion was false; Pelley accurately quoted the White House-released document. The most charitable interpretation of the GOP leader’s embarrassment is that he had not actually reviewed the evidence he had gone on national television to discuss.

It wasn’t about Biden
On “Meet the Press,” House GOP Whip Steve Scalise insisted the favor Trump sought was an investigation into the cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike, rather than dirt on Biden. That investigation, in turn, might explain the true source of outside interference in the 2016 election.

In fact, the partial transcript shows Trump specifically requested an investigation of Biden and his son. The U.S. government already knows the origin of 2016 interference: Russia, which favored Trump over Hillary Clinton.

Scalise alluded to unfounded suspicions among conspiracy-minded Republicans that Ukraine, seeking to help Clinton, was the real meddler. Those suspicions, former Trump aide Bossert notes, have been “completely debunked.”

Biden interfered
Trump asserts that, as Barack Obama’s vice president, Biden sought to protect his son by demanding that Ukraine fire a prosecutor. At the time, Hunter Biden worked for a Ukrainian energy firm that had faced an investigation.

Yet Biden’s demand was not personal. He made it on behalf of the U.S. government and allies including the European Union and the International Monetary Fund – none of whom have accused the former vice president of misconduct.

Moreover, Ukrainian officials say the investigation into Hunter Biden’s company was inactive when the prosecutor was ousted. The prosecutor who replaced him told the Los Angeles Times he had no evidence of illegality.

No quid pro quo
In the call, Trump did not explicitly condition military aid on a new Biden investigation. “I didn’t do it,” the president told reporters. “There was no quid pro quo.”

As a matter of propriety, that does not absolve Trump for baselessly seeking derogatory information about a domestic rival from a foreign government – an abuse of presidential power under any circumstances.

But former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah, calling Trump’s purpose “100%” clear, notes that even mobsters don’t make extortion demands explicit. Writing in The Washington Post, Flake said the partial transcript “removed all ambiguity about the president’s intent.”

“The whistleblower’s account seems convincing,” concludes Kori Schake, a former national security aide to President George W. Bush, “that the president was using our country’s foreign policy to blackmail a foreign country.”

Ukraine is getting aid
The U.S. expanded military assistance to Ukraine after Russia seized part of its territory in 2014. Trump says he has helped more than Obama.

But furnishing aid requires support by Congress. Both parties have provided it.

The Trump administration’s Pentagon, State Department and National Security Council all supported the aid this summer, Fox News has reported. But Trump personally froze it just days before calling the Ukrainian leader.

Trump unfroze the aid only after the whistleblower complained to Congress. The Ukrainian leader still hasn’t gotten the long-sought meeting in Washington he reminded Trump about on the call.

Increasingly frenetic on Twitter, Trump now warns that his impeachment could provoke “civil war.” At a minimum, the Ukraine revelations have amplified conflict within his own party.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois condemned Trump’s warning of civil war as “beyond repugnant.” GOP Rep. Mike Turner criticized the Ukraine call as “not OK”; Sen. Mitt Romney found it “deeply troubling.”

A new CBS poll found that 23% of Republicans support an impeachment inquiry into the matter. GOP lawmakers who have avoided public comment face a tightening squeeze between party loyalty and conduct they cannot persuasively defend.

“The fissures are growing,” GOP former Rep. Carlos Curbelo told me. “I’ve heard from members who are at the end of their ropes. They just feel trapped.”

[Sea Dangles]

Pete is consuming all the news Trump feeds him. Like a little lap dog. I am happy he has discovered a purpose for his sad life.
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[Pete F.]

Trump's job approval is 37% in a new CNBC poll, matching the lowest number this poll has recorded. His net approval is -16, his worst net approval for CNBC.

Trump's approval on the economy is also now underwater: 42% approve, 50% disapprove (-8 net approval, another new low).

[Sea Dangles]

He will be your president until 2025
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[Pete F.]

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: Sure I’ll testify for 11 hours. No problem.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: I will hide behind my staff forever even though I lied to you all and was on the call with Ukraine.

[Pete F.]

NEW: The son of a dead
@DeutscheBank
executive — armed with hundreds of confidential bank files — has been secretly helping the FBI and the House Intelligence Committee investigate the bank and
@realDonaldTrump
.

[Sea Dangles]

Nothing burger
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