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Old 09-27-2022, 03:03 PM   #151
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I read this on another news site.

This about sums it up..


Rs are not actually interested in public opinion or responding to the will of the majority. They are interested in providing psychological cover for their cultish followers, allowing them to retain the fantasy that they are not in fact a small minority opinion in the country.
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Old 09-27-2022, 03:11 PM   #152
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I read this on another news site.

This about sums it up..


Rs are not actually interested in public opinion or responding to the will of the majority. They are interested in providing psychological cover for their cultish followers, allowing them to retain the fantasy that they are not in fact a small minority opinion in the country.
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That is so accurate and insightful.
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What's the meaning of sanctuary city?
In general, a sanctuary city is a community with a policy, written or unwritten, that discourages local law enforcement from reporting the immigration status of individuals unless it involves investigation of a serious crime. These sanctuary communities go beyond cities,

More info for those who say sanctuary cities a lot. But have no idea what it means

Basically they will not do the federal government’s job . When it comes to immigration laws.. yet they will still arrest and conduct prosecution of migrant if crimes are committed..
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yes, TDF is the extremist. Not the guy who never ever disagrees with, or criticizes, his own side. a ot the guy who thinks one side walks in water, and the other side is pure evil.

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You don’t believe news stories period regardless of the source
Certainly not when you post them

Look at that quote you posted, does that look like news? C’mon
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Certainly not when you post them

Look at that quote you posted, does that look like news? C’mon
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He's actually being generous, because as we all know, the GOP wants to kill everybody and sell their organs on ebay. We're pure evil. Not one single good policy idea. every single good idea comes from the left. This is why all the red states are such a hot mess that everyone is fleeing them to move to blue states. There's not a single suburb in a red state that offers a high quality of life. Not a one.
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The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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it’s exactly why we’re so banged up right now, 80% of the country believes whatever gibberish comes from
their side without question. And it’s both sides. Both sides care more about winning than about fixing things.
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Biden should be careful throwing FEMA money at Ron DeSantis. He has a strong record of misappropriation of funds.
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it’s exactly why we’re so banged up right now, 80% of the country believes whatever gibberish comes from
their side without question. And it’s both sides. Both sides care more about winning than about fixing things.

Ah the both sides nonsense. Yep tds Scott and you Jim are clearly part of that 80% that believes whatever gibberish comes from their side without question

But you 3 keep convincing yourself’s of your independence and your ability to recognize Facts from fiction


Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump’s stolen election
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

Yep both sides

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The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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Most MAGA universe get their news from 5 sources Newsmax OAN. Hannity Tucker , Lura Ingram

All leaders in journalistic excellence ( sarcasm)
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The only thing I go to Newsmax for is reruns of Last Man Standing, other than that, I don’t watch any of them.
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Ah the both sides nonsense. Yep tds Scott and you Jim are clearly part of that 80% that believes whatever gibberish comes from their side without question

But you 3 keep convincing yourself’s of your independence and your ability to recognize Facts from fiction


Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump’s stolen election
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

Yep both sides
i can criticize my side. you can’t. not once, not ever. So tell me who the radical is.

I believe Biden won in 2020. That doesn’t mean i can’t believe the GOP has better policy ideas on crime, the economy, the border, all of which are a hot mess right now after 18 months of liberal control.

You refuse to co cede there are extremists on the left, yet you can’t name a single policy on which you think the left is wrong, and your every post bashed the right and praises the left. Not “most” of your posts. All of them.

How are you not a radical extremist? how would you argue that you’re not a radical extremist ideologue?

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i can criticize my side. you can’t. not once, not ever. So tell me who the radical is.

I believe Biden won in 2020. That doesn’t mean i can’t believe the GOP has better policy ideas on crime, the economy, the border, all of which are a hot mess right now after 18 months of liberal control.

You refuse to co cede there are extremists on the left, yet you can’t name a single policy on which you think the left is wrong, and your every post bashed the right and praises the left. Not “most” of your posts. All of them.

How are you not a radical extremist? how would you argue that you’re not a radical extremist ideologue?

Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election.. steal election machine data passing laws to restricting voting based on the lie of voter fraud

Oh wait you already think that has happened .. once again proving you don’t live in reality

Yes Jim there are like 4 members of the Democratic Party who I would consider extremist and have no power

The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…. And once again you are trying to suggest both are somehow the same and you’re willing to vote for there seditious leader

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..

I’d still take a guy who ask for a dead lady over a party that supports seditious behavior


Here’s a shocker that you would carry this talking point

There was no question that come fall, Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968

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Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime,

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democraps never try to scare voters into the democrap column.....
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It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..
Does sniffing them count?

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Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election.. steal election machine data passing laws to restricting voting based on the lie of voter fraud

Oh wait you already think that has happened .. once again proving you don’t live in reality

Yes Jim there are like 4 members of the Democratic Party who I would consider extremist and have no power

The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…. And once again you are trying to suggest both are somehow the same and you’re willing to vote for there seditious leader

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..

I’d still take a guy who ask for a dead lady over a party that supports seditious behavior


Here’s a shocker that you would carry this talking point

There was no question that come fall, Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968
"Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election"

Again, in 2016, a small number of congressional democrats tried to do exactly that. That's exactly, precisely what they tried to do.

And I'm sorry, but you painted all republicans as kooks and all liberals as saints long before January 6th.

"The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…."

Says you...and Joy Behar. Sorry, that's not evidence. Even Trump isn't an extremist (not on policy), he advocated successfully for criminal justice reform and that's a liberal policy, not a conservative policy. Marjorie Taylor Green is an extremist and a kook.

On the left, the squad are mirror images of Marjorie Taylor Greene and they have a lot of influence.

"Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968"

Sorry, the democrats control the show and crime is way up, the economy is in a recession by the typical definition, and the border is a catastrophe.

Here's the shocker, you give democrats credit for all that's good and don't blame them for anything that's wrong.
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"Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election"

Again, in 2016, a small number of congressional democrats tried to do exactly that. That's exactly, precisely what they tried to do.

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How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?
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How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?
You tell me, please, exactly what's wrong with the following response...

Trump won in 2016. As a result of their loss, a small number of congressional democrats tried to throw out the election results in a few states which Trump won, when there was no evidence any cheating took place in those states. Their effort failed, it was a flop. But they tried. Democrats in the house of representatives tried to overturn an election, for the sole reason that they didn't win.

It failed obviously. But that's what they tried to do. Biden, to his credit, told them at the time to knock it off. They proceeded with their attempt, and couldn't get NEARLY enough democrats to go along with them.

Some of them are still in Congress.

That's what happened. Just because Wayne hates it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And as well-informed as you are, I have to say I find it hard to believe that you aren't aware this happened.

And then influential democrats were taking full page ads out in the New York Times begging electors not to vote for Trump. Those weren't elected democrats, just crybabies among the general population.

From the following link: "Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results. "

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294
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NEWSWEEK TOP 5 US Rigged Elections

The Wall Street Journal first reported that Gore's team "has been checking into the background of Republican electors with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore."

Beckel insisted afterward he never had plans to try to blackmail electors to collect Gore votes, which he thought the article implied. But in an interview on Fox News on November 17, 2000, Beckel said: "I'm trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes." Beckel later explained what the Founders wanted: "The idea was that electors, early on, were to be lobbied."

Pro-Gore websites even started popping up, listing the names and contact information of Republican electors across the country, asking the public to barrage them with demands to vote for Gore and follow the will of the people.

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You tell me, please, exactly what's wrong with the following response...

Trump won in 2016. As a result of their loss, a small number of congressional democrats tried to throw out the election results in a few states which Trump won, when there was no evidence any cheating took place in those states. Their effort failed, it was a flop. But they tried. Democrats in the house of representatives tried to overturn an election, for the sole reason that they didn't win.
I'm asking a simple question. How did they try to "overthrow a national election"?

o·ver·throw
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remove forcibly from power:
"military coups which had attempted to overthrow the King"
synonyms:
remove (from office/power) · bring down · bring about the downfall of · topple · bring low · undo · depose · oust · displace · supplant · unseat · subvert · dethrone · disestablish · dissolve · put an end to · defeat · conquer · break up · annihilate
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The Wall Street Journal first reported that Gore's team "has been checking into the background of Republican electors with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore."

Beckel insisted afterward he never had plans to try to blackmail electors to collect Gore votes, which he thought the article implied. But in an interview on Fox News on November 17, 2000, Beckel said: "I'm trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes." Beckel later explained what the Founders wanted: "The idea was that electors, early on, were to be lobbied."

Pro-Gore websites even started popping up, listing the names and contact information of Republican electors across the country, asking the public to barrage them with demands to vote for Gore and follow the will of the people.

It's OK when they do it Scott.

Nobody likes losing, and I hate it as much as anyone. But every single politically-motivated riot from the last 50 years was waged by democrats until January 6th, so I don't like getting lectured about civility from the folks that burned cities down in the summer of 2020 which was infinitely more deadly and destructive than January 6th.
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Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election..
You may want to make sure Wayne reads this definition too....


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I responded exactly on point. Trump won in 2016, and a small number of congressional democrats attempted to "bring about his downfall", to "dethrone" him, to "undo" his win, to "oust" him, to "supplant" him with someone else, to "subvert" the results of a fair election.

Trump won in 2016. They tried to un-do his win. They had zero constitutional basis to do do, they just hated that they lost. Is that true, or is that false?

Why is it OK when democrats do it?
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Why was that an insult? That was sarcasm. Wayne brought the word “Overthrow” into the conversation. Just want to make sure he understands it too.

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I responded exactly on point. Trump won in 2016, and a small number of congressional democrats attempted to "bring about his downfall", to "dethrone" him, to "undo" his win, to "oust" him, to "supplant" him with someone else, to "subvert" the results of a fair election.

Trump won in 2016. They tried to un-do his win. They had zero constitutional basis to do do, they just hated that they lost. Is that true, or is that false?

Why is it OK when democrats do it?
How did they attempt to dethrone him or bring about his downfall? By going to court or saying something?
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How did they attempt to dethrone him or bring about his downfall? By going to court or saying something?
last time, it’s in the link, they tried to decertify the results in some states that trump won, when they had zero evidence that anything improper happened

you’re all over place. you pasted the definition of overthrow which blew up right in your face as they explicitly satisfied at least a half dozen definitions you provided.

I don’t even know what you’re saying now. But the dems lost in 2016, and some tried to undermine the fair election because they didn’t like the result. They made a proposal in Congress and couldn’t get enough people to get on board. but they tried. They tried to throw out an election result because they lost.

Like talking to a dim witted child.
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