NFL is problem not Pats

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wader-dad

I think the guys skating on Madison Square Garden Ice have broken any Lull.

Lets go Rangers.

We also have basketball playoffs going on now.......and baseball has begun.
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[cow tamer]

And now Goodell will preside over the appeal. This ought to be fun.

[Raven]

who made him GOD

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by cow tamer

And now Goodell will preside over the appeal. This ought to be fun.

total WTF....the balls of this clown. The beginning of the end for goodell.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Raven

who made him GOD

The collective Bargaining Agreement does.

Brady better say screw the union and release those texts that will absolve him.

I'm guess the suspension goes to 3 games.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The collective Bargaining Agreement does.

Brady better say screw the union and release those texts that will absolve him.

I'm guess the suspension goes to 3 games.

he will when it goes to court, and it will go to court since I don't see Gooddell reducing it to zero games which I am sure Brady wants.

[PaulS]

does the CBA give him the right to go to court?

[Slipknot]

I don't believe he needs the CBA to go to court, just his own lawyers

[Sea Dangles]

Lance Armstrong had people who believed him too
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[zimmy]

"The deflator" was trying to lose weight

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I don't believe he needs the CBA to go to court, just his own lawyers

The CBA may cover suspensions and may not allow disciplinary matters to go to court. They may have to be handled by the league. I don't know.

[Slipknot]

Speaking of the CBA
according to it, the commissioner is supposed to be the only person to hand out punishments not Troy Vincent.

just more stupidity in this whole mess

I am not blind, I know there are mistakes on both sides, but I believe Brady never said , inferred or expected anyone to let any air out of any balls after the ref checks them. It doesn't make any sense if you look at the amounts they were missing, a half a pound per square inch on only some of the balls???. But if you are a doubting Thomas and believe the inaccurate false early reports that 11 balls down 2 psi, that is your perogative. I will go by the facts and there is just too much biased agenda with Wells investigation. Brady's lawyer will spell it all out clearly and get this straightened out but it's too bad because people have already formed their opinions.

[Sea Dangles]

Slip, I think you just need a hug at this point. You seem very vulnerable and gullible. I am sure Aaron Hernandez would have really loved to see you as a juror. I love the Pats but would not actually swallow TB's load.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Lance Armstrong had people who believed him too
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Brilliant comparison. Is that original or a PaulS collaboration?

[Slipknot]

Stay classy Chris

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Slip, I think you just need a hug at this point. You seem very vulnerable and gullible. I am sure Aaron Hernandez would have really loved to see you as a juror. I love the Pats but would not actually swallow TB's load.
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So you'really a spitter. :-p
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Speaking of the CBA
according to it, the commissioner is supposed to be the only person to hand out punishments not Troy Vincent.

just more stupidity in this whole mess

I am not blind, I know there are mistakes on both sides, but I believe Brady never said , inferred or expected anyone to let any air out of any balls after the ref checks them. It doesn't make any sense if you look at the amounts they were missing, a half a pound per square inch on only some of the balls???. But if you are a doubting Thomas and believe the inaccurate false early reports that 11 balls down 2 psi, that is your perogative. I will go by the facts and there is just too much biased agenda with Wells investigation. Brady's lawyer will spell it all out clearly and get this straightened out but it's too bad because people have already formed their opinions.

Read Lester Munsons article on ESPN.COM about the text messages between McNally and Jastrmski following the Oct 17th game vs the Jets.and then go back and revise your opinion. Blind faith will only play you for a fool Bruce. Not a big deal but certainly hard to explain,even for a homer like you.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

Brilliant comparison. Is that original or a PaulS collaboration?

Since your fanboy faith in Brady seems to have blinded you, we were trying to come up w/something you could understand.

Admittedly, I thought Lance was spelled Lanse.

[Slipknot]

no blind faith here Chris, I read the so called evidence, I also came to the same conclusion that many others have. that the NFL and Wells went into this with only one thing in mind, to nail Brady and the Pats so they used everything they could to twist their opinions and that includes media leaks also. Did you know that Mike Kensil said to a patriots person right after they measured the balls that " you guys are in big F'in trouble"? sounds like opinion formed already to me. This guys article asks questions that have been answered, he is just writing it to see it the way the NFL saw it from the beginning. Brady's texts were already in Wells' possession and he had no texts to or from McNally, the writer makes it seem worse by exaggerating just like the media all like to do.
Just because the Patriots are consistent winners, they have been branded as cheaters by all the others who cry because they don't always win, it's pretty pathetic. You don't see the SD Chargers getting fined that much, getting suspensions, or losing draft picks or 4 million dollar investigations over their 2012 ball tampering incident do you? Did they say the Chargers were in big F'in trouble when they officials actually saw in person them tampering with the balls? NO, they aren't the Patriots.
It's all assumptions Chris, no evidence.

Did you know that Dean Blandino the head of officials lied about knowing about the Colts questioning the air pressure of Pats balls before the game? The head official lied about knowing beforehand!!! do you think they were trying to cover something up? There is email evidence to prove this, actual proof.

those texts do not prove anything about Tom ordering those 2 to conspire to let air out after an official approved game balls.

I believe the air pressure data shows that atmospheric conditions can account for lower air pressure. It's pretty friggin simple.

I read all the stuff on this, I am not changing my mind unless there is some actual proof he lied.

[Sea Dangles]

So your assumption is they acted on their own and Brady had nothing to do with it? I think you are a little smarter than that. Maybe the conspiracy has them setting up Tom terrific lol.
I am not saying the punishment fits the crime here. I am just certain there was a crime and that it was orchestrated by TB. Big crime? No. In fact it is detailed that there is a 25k fine for this offense. Yes I know the country hates the Pats the same way the Celts and Yankees were hated. Win that long and you wear a bullseye. I get it. I also am aware there was no murder weapon found in the Hernandez case but there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict him. I also think we were set up to an extent,but were too infallible to pay attention. The answer he gave at the press conference after he was asked if he cheated..."I don't think so"

BTW, branding us as cheaters had nothing to do with spy gate but the shoe still fit.
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[spence]

...or perhaps they just did nothing illegal. I'm shocked that locker room attendants would be talking about their job...shocked.

[Slipknot]

his answer just shows his astonishment at being called a cheater.

did you read the report?

no, I don't think Mcnally acted alone. He did not deflate balls in the bathroom so didn't act all nevermind alone. The air pressure loss is clearly accounted for by science but Wells made his biased decision to negate Walt Anderson's best recollection that he measured the balls pregame using the gauge with the Wilson logo. This is the same Walt Anderson who Wells defended as his integrity and respect was second to none, OK but Wells chose to go against that since it doesn't suit Wells' agenda.

I am smart and I think there can also be texts from those 2 about deflation and inflation. The preparation includes pumping air in and letting air out along with the rubbing and surface prep so everyone should just get over themselves. Nothing happened to the air, it was still in the balls. In fact, they should have measured them again after the game after they returned to the exact temp. they were before the game, but they did not so that doesn't help.

People always have to knock the guy or team at the top just like the doubters that doubt world record fish holders.

you believe whatever you want to believe, but if you based your opinion on a couple of texts, then maybe you need to read everything again.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm still trying to figure out why these 2 got suspended.

According to Adam Scheffter, the NFL requested they be suspended, and the Patriots granted their request.
Like I said, they did nothing to the air
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[nightfighter]

And now, Act 3 The Owners Meetings and Back-Channel Negotiations

[The Dad Fisherman]

Nothing to see here......we have deflated footballs to talk about...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

According to Adam Scheffter, the NFL requested they be suspended, and the Patriots granted their request.
Like I said, they did nothing to the air
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So they agreed to suspend two employees who they felt had nothing to do with this bc the balls where deflated "due to science"?

Nice way to treat your employees.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nothing to see here......we have deflated footballs to talk about...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

super point

[Sea Flat]

Employees were fired because they were idiots, stealing sneakers and jackets!

If Brady is innocent the Patriots have really screwed this whole thing up by not simply having "the deflator" come out and say he was trying to get the balls to 12.5 and Brady didn't know he was doing it illegally.

In addition, the NFL has screwed this thing up from the start with false pressure readings being leaked to media, the Wells report accepting everything of the ref Anderson's testimony as fact, but the actual gage he used to measure the pressure. Some of the Colts balls were underinflated on one of the gages too.

This is so frickin stupid!!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Sea Flat

This is so frickin stupid!!

i think a non HATER impartial Judge will feel the same.

[Raider Ronnie]

Brady is a cheap bastard.
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