OTW "Striper Cup Tourney" Format is Irresponsible to the Fishery

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I had a great talk with Chris Megan at the MSBA Expo and he told me that they are very concerned what there readers think, and want the best for the fisheries, access, and all together a possitive out look, I am sure after this talk we had (he listened to everything I had to say and seemed to care) they only want the best for all. the fishery is strong and I think if they raise the catch to 40" and over and one fish per week get rid of the points/clubs, make it individual contest it will be alot better. I wish we could figure out a catch and release like the Bassmasters tournament with livewells and all. So I believe that they don't want to lose fatefull readers and they always need new readers, it is just business

I said it on page 2 and I think his letter say's it all

[DZ]

I'm glad Chris and OTW are concerned about constructive input. They're smart - without support from their patrons they have a financial disaster.
But lets remember - its not whether the bass can take the pressure of another tournament - that's never been the question here.

The concern here is whether the final score for the Striper Cup will be
3000 pounds to 2500 pounds when it could just as well be 300 pounds to 250. Both sets of numbers determine a winner - but the lower numbers are much more conservative and ethical in this day and age.
I wish them luck.

DZ

[Skitterpop]

Considering reports from previous years about what has been found in large Striped Basses stomachs do you think they will allow using 9 to 13 " Stripers for bait?

[clambelly]

doesn't state law currently allow ALL recreational fisherman to take 2 fish at 28" PER DAY???

i only ask this question b/c the rules for this tournament allow fisherman who register to weigh 2 fish PER WEEK. that would be less then the state allows, right?

if you have a beef, take it up with the state, not a fine publication like 'on the water'. i am proud to say i am a subscriber who enjoys each and every issue.

i say thank you to the editors, keep it up.

[Offshore]

I was in touch with Gene Bourque, Ed. of OTW yesterday and he confirmed what Chris Megan said in his email to the site - they are reviewing the rules due to the adverse comments made here and in other places. Also, mentioned any changes would be posted to their website by week's end.

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by Clammer

Krispy //
you stated that you want to how the other surf sharpies will be doing ///

whatever it takes // you,ll never know where or how the fish was caught [if] it was caught /////
:

Clammer, I was talking about supposed sharpies, internet heroes and bait shop barneys
And "other surf sharpies" implies I am one

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Offshore

I was in touch with Gene Bourque, Ed. of OTW yesterday and he confirmed what Chris Megan said in his email to the site - they are reviewing the rules due to the adverse comments made here and in other places. Also, mentioned any changes would be posted to their website by week's end.

Good for them. I am glad they are reconsidering some of the rules seeing that they were interested in some of the public comment. The letter by Chris Megahn is encouraging and we'll see how it shakes out - good to see they are listening AND flexible

As for "Adverse Comments" made here and elsewhere, while I can't speak for much elsewhere beyond what I have read, the significant majority of the conversation here was good debate. Sure, a few people got a little, uhh, riled up, but that happens when you have nearly 200 replies and 3500 views in 3 days... But so far this has been good discussion.

I have seen discussion on this topic on a few sources that aren't widely public and they voice similar (and some more critical) comments on the current format...

Dennis put it best about the club "points" system needing to be addressed. Still encourage the club competition but bring the overall impact down to more reasonable levels.

I applaude OTW that they are investigating this a bit more... Look forward to seeing what the rule tweaks are...

[Clammer]

{K}

what I meant is how are you {;really] gonna know ??/


did he catch the fish ---ie fish market

was it caught from boat or shore

was it caught in the time frame ============================= freeze it until the [right] time ...

seen it all before //

[Krispy]

Oh yeah, I hear ya But we'll see who does well consistently every month.

[piemma]

seen it all before // [/QUOTE]
Years ago the commercial rod and reel guys would freeze the bass they caught a couple of days before the season opened and then hit the co-ops in P-Town and Chatham like gangbusters on opening day.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Clammer

{K}

what I meant is how are you {;really] gonna know ??/


did he catch the fish ---ie fish market

was it caught from boat or shore

was it caught in the time frame ============================= freeze it until the [right] time ...

seen it all before //

Uh, the real question here is, Mike, how do you know about all the "shady" ways to win? Come on Mikey, fess up. You seem to be in possesion of a lot of this type of knowledge.

[Mike P]

What I like most about the discussion here is that most everyone actually read the rules before they expressed their opinion.

I wish I could say the same about some other websites

[nightfighter]

i could see OTW awarding club points for the weight pins, ie 1 point for a 30 lb. pin, 3 for a forty lb. pin and ten for a fifty. The downside is that this would encourage the killing of the trophy fish, the upside would be less pressure to bring in the 34 inch fish for the club total. Again, not perfect, but....
I am finding myself in the camp of Big Dave in regards to keeping fish. I have stated before that I feel the SB stock is in good shape. I also started a thread called A Different Point of view that was from the perspective of the commercial lobstermen and how the lack of food for SB has drastically affected their livelihood. http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ght=point+view

[Redsoxticket]

Question: Club competition for both boaters and surfcasters as one
group ?

If so, it may not matter where the bass were caught for the total point system. The club with the most boats will tally higher points then surfcasters but their expenses are higher.

Hope this all works for the better for whatever that may be.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

If so, it may not matter where the bass were caught for the total point system. The club with the most boats will tally higher points then surfcasters but their expenses are higher.

Probably by an order of magnitude at least.

An interesting twist...divide the poundage in striper by the cost to catch

-spence

[blue oyster]

Originally Posted by Krispy

Clammer, I was talking about supposed sharpies, internet heroes and bait shop barneys
And "other surf sharpies" implies I am one

what the heck is a bait shop barney

[stiff tip]

girls all has been said ...u got the nod from otw,s publisher and staff about tweekin the rules + regs hope everybodys good w/ that ...now ladies lets put up or shut up ,,in or out ???yea or nae..lets put the baby to bed ....but if your out your opinion means $hit to me ...and if your in ,, may the better fisherman win....good luck ...dave

[spence]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

girls all has been said ...u got the nod from otw,s publisher and staff about tweekin the rules + regs hope everybodys good w/ that ...now ladies lets put up or shut up ,,in or out ???yea or nae..lets put the baby to bed ....but if your out your opinion means $hit to me ...and if your in ,, may the better fisherman win....good luck ...dave

It's pretty clear that you simply didn't show up for finishing school.

-spence

[stiff tip]

thanks for noticing spence...how could tell ??? i just think some of the squirrels have lost too many of there nuts..back to yooooou spence ?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

girls all has been said ...u got the nod from otw,s publisher and staff about tweekin the rules + regs hope everybodys good w/ that ...now ladies lets put up or shut up ,,in or out ???yea or nae..lets put the baby to bed ....but if your out your opinion means $hit to me ...and if your in ,, may the better fisherman win....good luck ...dave

NO, it's not "put up or shut up" and leming on over to the sign up sheet. Scuttlebutt has an announcement later this week on OTW's website, a lot of us will wait to see what that is and make a decision afterward. Some people already made up their mind one way or another.

but if your out your opinion means $hit to me ...and if your in ,, may the better fisherman win....good luck ...dave

That's just priceless. I just don't know what to say. Damn world is gonna end if people don't agree with you...

[stiff tip]

john ,,,stick it ....your diaper ,been changed .... now go play with the rest of the childern.....john listening to your opininon truely means $hit to me ....go hug a tree..or better yet kiss my b-ass.... luv ya....

[LeCounts1099]

John R-- thank you, for having some balls & conviction as you run this great Site! If anything I thought you were very gracious & bending over backward on this thread, even to be understanding & encouraging to OTW & this poorly- conceived Tourney. No more Tourney- bound truck-loads of Fishers Is. Bass necessary in this World/ 2006!

Funny part about Stiff Tip is not that he missed Finishing school... (We figured that already)... But, rather: that he is a Writer??

Seems any Sixth grade English teacher would fail him! He must have one heck of an Editor over there!

Enough of trying to recruit John R & leading his flock to a very insensitively- designed Tourney, S.T.! Let OTW make the sensible changes necessary, and then you'll have to "sell" & cajole us much less! We here care about encouraging the needless killing of Stripers for man- hood purposes here on this Site-- titled "Striped-Bass.com" last I checked!!

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

john ,,,stick it ....your diaper ,been changed .... now go play with the rest of the childern.....john listening to your opininon truely means $hit to me ....go hug a tree..or better yet kiss my b-ass.... luv ya....

Real good, just continuing to impress here Stiffy. If you don't like it, chose the exit door. Are you done?

[PNG]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

john ,,,stick it ....your diaper ,been changed .... now go play with the rest of the childern.....john listening to your opininon truely means $hit to me ....go hug a tree..or better yet kiss my b-ass.... luv ya....

WoW!

And as always John you have taken the high road

LeCounts mentioned the editor. The editor finally got around to addressing the spots issue, timely for sure. How many months after?

[Skitterpop]

Dave?

[Sea Dangles]

ST ,don't candy-coat it.Tell us what you REALLY mean

[Mike P]

Geez Dave--to think your publisher said that I'm the knucklehead in these parts

[Slipknot]

I think Stiffy was joking a bit, he got his lessons from BM.

And you are right about his grammer

is this thread done yet? I think it's cooked

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I think Stiffy was joking a bit, he got his lessons from BM.

I would hope so but it sure doesn't look that way...

[Slipknot]

you should hear how he talks