Charlottesville

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not remotely sarcastic. You don't think liberals make a habit out of emphasizing racial divides and gender divide?

You missed my point entirely. Yes we called Obama a divider. Because he was. The Cambridge police acted stupidly, republicans have to sit in the back of the bus, my son would look like Michael brown, republicans gotta stop just hating all the time.

What he meant by that last one, is that we have to stop winning all the time.
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I get it .. Trump is the great unifier... Ok if you say so

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I get it .. Trump is the great unifier... Ok if you say so

Thing is, I didn't say so. Never said anything like it. I am an ardent critic of Trump.

It's funny, I debate this stuff in a few different places, and it seems like you can always count on a liberal, eventually responding to something he claims you said, but doesn't even resemble anything you ever said. I notice that the people who do this, are generally people who are losing an argument, but cannot bring themselves to admit it.

I can say that Obama was divisive (and provide irrefutable, verifiable examples of his acting in such a way), and that says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about my view of Trump. They are different people, not inherently connected by every comment I make about one or the other.

There is very little that's unifying about Trump. There was very little that was unifying about Obama. Is that going too fast for you?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Several red state supreme courts would disagree with you.
It is about more than ID. I have zero issue with the ID portion, but they have found in NC, TX and maybe others that the targeted changes to early voting and other items were racially and or politically motivated.

I read one state requires drivers license or maybe I should say allows drivers license. The article showed that every County where there is a black majority later had all of the licensing centers closed making it harder to get a driver's license. If I have time maybe I'll look to see if I could find that article
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Paul, you cannot begin to make any kind of credible argument, that the tens of millions of people who voted for Trump, are any more sexist or racist than the people who voted for Hilary.

For your side to claim that there is widespread hatred of people of color or women, among those who voted for Trump...is just as crazy and offensive, as Trump claiming that Obama is a Muslim or wasn't born here.

The first thing I learned from election night 2016, is that middle America has limits for the amount of insults they are willing to endure. Your side hasn't begun to learn that lesson. Which explains what has happened in the special elections this year, every one of which was portrayed by the media, as a referendum on Trump...that is, until the democrat got his hat handed to him.

The GOP has the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and an insane majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The only excuse Democrats are able to comprehend for that result, is that my side is racist. Because losing is acceptable, even noble, when one loses to evil. Convincing yourself of that, is much easier, than admitting that not many people are buying what your side is selling.

All of the special elections this year were in heavily Republican areas with a majority incumbent Republican I believe. The dems. though they would take him back and did not. So what does that show bc I'm not sure.

As far as Trump voters being racist certainly not every Trump voter is racist and certainly there are democratic voters who are racist. But I believe there was a backlash by the white middle-class whose skills have not kept up with a new economy and had fallen behind and view that the last 8 years with Obama minorities did better than they did. I also feel that a higher percentage of racists support the Republicans versus the Democrats.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

As far as Trump voters being racist certainly not every Trump voter is racist and certainly there are democratic voters who are racist. But I believe there was a backlash by the white middle-class whose skills have not kept up with a new economy and had fallen behind and view that the last 8 years with Obama minorities did better than they did. I also feel that a higher percentage of racists support the Republicans versus the Democrats.
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The "language" of numbers is devoid of emotion, morality, fairness, isms and ists, politics, race, personality, doctrine, belief, conscience, motivation, conjecture, or any form of the fog of human vagueness. It is precise, without connotation or contradiction. Applying numbers to those things which numbers are devoid of, without precise, verifiable data, is, as you implied for yourself, an exercise in vague personal "belief." As such, that is not reliable, and the inherent certainty of numbrs can be misused to "imply" something that may not exist.

"Racists," whatever and whomever you mean by that term may predominantly like watermelon. That does not mean that watermelon is bad or racist. "Racists" like, support, a great deal of things that non-racists do. The thing being supported does not have to be racist for a "racist" to support it. Republicans, as a party, don't espouse racism. Some may be racist. The Republican platform differs in some fundamental ways from the Democrat platform. It is no wonder that a "racist," or any other fringe group, would support the individual freedoms that Republicans supposedly espouse. Small fringe groups would prefer to have the ability to live their own lives without government dictating that they cannot.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

All of the special elections this year were in heavily Republican areas with a majority incumbent Republican I believe. The dems. though they would take him back and did not. So what does that show bc I'm not sure.

As far as Trump voters being racist certainly not every Trump voter is racist and certainly there are democratic voters who are racist. But I believe there was a backlash by the white middle-class whose skills have not kept up with a new economy and had fallen behind and view that the last 8 years with Obama minorities did better than they did. I also feel that a higher percentage of racists support the Republicans versus the Democrats.
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I don't doubt that a majority of racists ( at least a majority of white racists) who vote , vote republican. That shows you how stupid that are ( because I believe that liberalism has done far for damage to blacks than conservatism ever could), and the influence of the media, all of whom, except foxnews, claim that the republican platform is racist

As a conservative, I want to give poor blacks all the tools they need, to escape poverty. That goal , for them to escape poverty, has no political payoff for me, I want them to escape poverty bevlcause no one should be poor. Lacks who cannot help themselves, I am more than happy to help out with social programs. That's the conservative position, and it's not racist.

Liberals? They tell blacks it's not their fault, and make it impossible for them to escape poverty by crippling them, making them addicted to welfare, and paying young girls to have babies out of wedlock.

That's what liberalism has done for blacks. Whether or not it's intentionally racist is a anyone's guess, but it has been a disaster. Liberals propose more of the same for blacks. Conservatives suggest a different path. You go ahead and tell me how the latter, is racist.
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