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01-11-2023, 09:14 PM
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Or this DeSantis?
Gov. Ron DeSantis’ second inaugural address Tuesday sounded word-for-word like a re-election campaign rally — only shorter. It was delivered from a familiar place, the steps of the historic Capitol in Tallahassee, but was aimed at a faraway national audience of Republican presidential primary voters.
[ RELATED: DeSantis declares 'freedom lives here' as he begins 2nd term ]
The governor’s talk carried a lot of the usual DeSantis rhetorical flourishes, and very little in the way of specifics.
If you didn’t catch it, here’s some of what you missed:
“When the world lost its mind — when common sense suddenly became an uncommon virtue — Florida was a refuge of sanity.”
Here in Florida, the state’s chief public health officer doubted the efficacy of vaccines or masks at the height of the pandemic. Some 84,000 people have lost their lives due to COVID-19 in this “refuge of sanity.” Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.
Is that enough sanity for you?
The myth of ‘the freest state’
“We choose to navigate the boisterous sea of liberty rather than cower in the calm docks of despotism,” DeSantis said.
Freedom and authoritarianism don’t mix. The notion of Florida as “the freest state” is a myth, manufactured by DeSantis and his image-makers to sharpen the narrative of his expected presidential candidacy.
His is a curious definition of freedom.
Florida has become a place where it’s easier than ever to remove books from school libraries, but harder than it should be for people to request vote-by-mail ballots.
In the “freest state,” Florida teachers fear talking about the country’s racist history. A vote of the people to ban large cruise ships in Key West was wiped away by DeSantis and Tallahassee politicians. How free is that?
In this supposedly “free” state, academic freedom faces the most dangerous sustained assault in Florida’s recent history.
In “the freest state,” higher education is perpetually under the thumb of the governor’s office. On Wednesday, DeSantis demanded that all colleges and universities report every dime spent on “diversity, equity, inclusion and critical race theory.”
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01-11-2023, 10:11 PM
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pete, florida didnt keep people from earning a living, or
keep kids out of school, after data showed there was no upside. His states unemployment didn’t increase nearly as much as the national average as a result.
He’s right. other states kept lockdowns in place long after the data was clear there was no upside. that’s crazy.
That’s why the state of florida has become synonymous with affordable freedom, and 850 people a day are moving there. 850 a day.
it’s also why the deranged, terrified, hating liars, like you, are left sh*tting themselves at the thought of him, and all you can do is ignore his accomplishments and desperately hope everyone else does too.
i’d pay anything to see him debate the alzheimer’s patient we have now. anything.
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01-11-2023, 10:14 PM
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pete, florida didnt keep people from earning a living, or
keep kids out of school, after data showed there was no upside. His states unemployment didn’t increase nearly as much as the national average as a result.
He’s right. other states kept lockdowns in place long after the data was clear there was no upside. that’s crazy.
That’s why the state of florida has become synonymous with affordable freedom, and 850 people a day are moving there. 850 a day.
it’s also why the deranged, terrified, hating liars, like you, are left sh*tting themselves at the thought of him, and all you can do is ignore his accomplishments and desperately hope everyone else does too.
i’d pay anything to see him debate the alzheimer’s patient we have now. anything.
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Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.
Is that enough sanity for you?
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01-11-2023, 10:15 PM
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desantis said of critical
race theory, that it does no good to teach children to hate their country and hate each other, and the state of FL isn’t going to spend one red cent in it.
When your side was saying defund the police, he was offering signing bonuses to out of state cops who moved there. And gee whiz, guess how many FL cities were burned down by your ilk in the summer of 2020? Zero.
He single handedly took a large, diverse purple
state, and turned it red
Ivy league, ivy league law then the military. yeah what a loser!!
Your best response is “Flori-duh.”. good one pete!!
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01-11-2023, 10:18 PM
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Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.
Is that enough sanity for you?
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what was the death rate in FL compared to NY? Which state has more seniors? Which state opened up first? Which governor was cooking the books? hat was your side saying about Cuomo? he was the good standard, Hollywood invented awards to give him. And he was a big fat lying incompetent loser, and a pervert to boot. But you’re in a position to bash desantis when you had orgasms
when Cuomo was on TV?
Stick that up your kooky azz.
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01-11-2023, 10:24 PM
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So we can't discuss anything other than January 6...forever?
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Not when to GOP did nothing afterwards. And still deny it even happened
And currently WASHINGTON — Republicans are attempting to pass a new House rule to block materials compiled by the panel that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection from immediately going to the National Archives.
The move could signal that House Republicans intend to attempt to rebut the panel’s investigation,
Shocking republicans trying to write history with their alternative facts
But they have the nerve to insist unelected bureaucrats , the FBI the IRS and government it’s self . Ate a threat to American democracy
This is why they and honestly you sometimes can’t be taken seriously on this topic
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01-11-2023, 10:27 PM
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Yet you didn't take that position when the feds got involved with parents having the nerve to speak up at local school board meetings. Not a peep from you about why that's not a local issue.
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Jim news flash that never happened you keep repeating that lie . There is no DOJ memo targeting parents
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01-11-2023, 10:28 PM
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Not when to GOP did nothing afterwards. And still deny it even happened
And currently WASHINGTON — Republicans are attempting to pass a new House rule to block materials compiled by the panel that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection from immediately going to the National Archives.
The move could signal that House Republicans intend to attempt to rebut the panel’s investigation,
Shocking republicans trying to write history with their alternative facts
But they have the nerve to insist unelected bureaucrats , the FBI the IRS and government it’s self . Ate a threat to American democracy
This is why they and honestly you sometimes can’t be taken seriously on this topic
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america doesn’t care wayne, the polling is crystal
clear. our system, as it is, stopped january 6 from going anywhere, thank god, and trump is toxic and unelectable. our system
doesn’t stop unelected bureaucrats from setting national policy.
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01-11-2023, 11:02 PM
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desantis said of critical
race theory, that it does no good to teach children to hate their country and hate each other, and the state of FL isn’t going to spend one red cent in it.
When your side was saying defund the police, he was offering signing bonuses to out of state cops who moved there. And gee whiz, guess how many FL cities were burned down by your ilk in the summer of 2020? Zero.
He single handedly took a large, diverse purple
state, and turned it red
Ivy league, ivy league law then the military. yeah what a loser!!
Your best response is “Flori-duh.”. good one pete!!
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Actually he offered signing bonuses to cops from other states that refused to get vaccinated, because cops shouldn’t have to obey rules…
Never mind that the most prolific killer of cops by far was Covid.
Your ilk tried to overthrow the government, spread literal feces on the walls of the capital.
But they were tourists.
Nothing excites you more than a budding fascist, well maybe with the exception of a goat.
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01-12-2023, 10:04 AM
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The first bill Republicans are bringing to the floor once the rules package is adopted would increase the deficit by more than $114 billion over a decade, according to a nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday. The measure from Adrian Smith (R-Neb.) would roll back about $80 billion in IRS funding and decrease revenues by nearly $186 billion.
In the stroke of a pen cutting 80 billion to lose a net 114. billion that makes no sense
More grandstanding
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01-12-2023, 10:23 AM
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The first bill Republicans are bringing to the floor once the rules package is adopted would increase the deficit by more than $114 billion over a decade, according to a nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday. The measure from Adrian Smith (R-Neb.) would roll back about $80 billion in IRS funding and decrease revenues by nearly $186 billion.
In the stroke of a pen cutting 80 billion to lose a net 114. billion that makes no sense
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You're missing the point. The deficit only matters when Ds are in office.
They want to do away with the ethics committee bccccc I guess ethics don't matter to them.
Lower funding for the IRS bc they don't care if people cheat on their taxes - which goes w/trying to get rid of the committee that looks at member ethics. Seems to be a pattern.
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01-13-2023, 07:51 AM
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It’s rumored that Ron DeSantis plans to fly 300 gas stoves to Martha's Vineyard.
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01-13-2023, 07:55 AM
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Kevin McCarthy claims House Republicans are transitioning.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
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01-13-2023, 08:18 AM
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Rs plan to make everyone sacrifice. Poor people will have to have lower benefits and rich people will have to have lower tax rates.
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01-13-2023, 08:22 AM
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It’s rumored that Ron DeSantis plans to fly 300 gas stoves to Martha's Vineyard.
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I saw this latest outrage from Republicans framed as an attack your way of life not surprising more lying
Republican lawmakers are claiming that the Consumer Product Safety Commission wants to take away people’s gas stoves, in what they say is the latest example of the Biden administration’s regulatory overreach,
In reality, the commission is not going to snatch anyone’s stove. It is merely considering regulations that would seek to curb pollution from new gas stoves on the market, rather than existing appliances inside people’s homes.
There is about 50 years of health studies showing that gas stoves are bad for our health, and the strongest evidence is on children and children’s asthma,”
Cities tried to cut natural gas from new homes. The GOP and gas lobby preemptively quashed their effort
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I’ll NEVER give up my gas stove. If the maniacs in the White House come for my stove, they can pry it from my cold dead hands. COME AND TAKE IT!!
Wow what a MAGA hero this drunkard is
2014. Republicans are still trying to save traditional lightbulbs.
Yep same old song and dance from the Party who’s only skill is looking backwards
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01-13-2023, 09:03 AM
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I don't think anything shows how hollow the culture wars are more than the governor of Florida, the state with one of the lowest rates of gas stove ownership, making gas stoves his biggest issue.
If you can outrage 5% of the electorate enough that they vote - you can swing an election.
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01-13-2023, 09:06 AM
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Republicans now want to
eliminate
the national income tax and replace it with a national consumption tax.
A consumption tax is a tax on what people spend, rather than what people earn.
Love Republicans logic by they assume all voters are as dumb as republican voters.
Household earnings $87,431
Total household expenditures $66,928
Housing expenditures $22,624
Transportation expenditures $10,961
Food expenditures $8,289
Increase in household expenditures from 2020 9.1%
Percent of people’s income devoted to living expenses 76.5%
Top 1% of U.S. Earners Now Hold More Wealth Than All of the Middle Class
consumption taxes is that they tend to be regressive. Regressive taxes absorb a larger share of the earnings of people with lower incomes than of people with higher incomes. This is because people with lower incomes use a larger portion of their income for consumption than do those with higher incomes.
Do republicans actually think the use the same % of their income to live as middle class Americans
Ya ok
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01-13-2023, 10:09 AM
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Yep same old song and dance from the Party who’s only skill is looking backwards
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tell that to the children of FL who enjoyed being in school
when kids in blue states were shut out of school. Tell that to the workers in FL who stayed on the job while their peers in blue states were on welfare.
Kids in cages? Swell when Obama did it, a crime when trump did it.
Lying to get elected? No problem when Biden, Liz Warren, and Richard Blumenthal do it, but disqualifying when Santos does it.
politically motivated congressional hearings? Awesome when democrats looked into a fake Russia hoax, irresponsible when republicans do it.
Denying election results? Nothing to worry about what Hakeem Jeffries does it, but revolting when any republican does it.
there’s a pattern here, and it’s not subtle.
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01-13-2023, 10:12 AM
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tell that to the children of FL who enjoyed being in school
when kids in blue states were shut out of school. Tell that to the workers in FL who stayed on the job while their peers in blue states were on welfare.
Kids in cages? Swell when Obama did it, a crime when trump did it.
Lying to get elected? No problem when Biden, Liz Warren, and Richard Blumenthal do it, but disqualifying when Santos does it.
politically motivated congressional hearings? Awesome when democrats looked into a fake Russia hoax, irresponsible when republicans do it.
Denying election results? Nothing to worry about what Hakeem Jeffries does it, but revolting when any republican does it.
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The Broken record speaks.
the entire republican party ready to start a full on war over the mere discussion, because the culture war and conflict is literally their entire party ideology, who care neither about evidence nor what is actually being said or by whom.
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01-13-2023, 10:45 AM
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The Broken record speaks.
the entire republican party ready to start a full on war over the mere discussion, because the culture war and conflict is literally their entire party ideology, who care neither about evidence nor what is actually being said or by whom.
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every equivalence that appears to show the democrats using a double standard, is a “false” equivalence. That’s your standard. if it makes the left look bad, it can’t be a valid equivalence. you don’t even care what’s being equated. If it paints democrats in a negative light, it’s a false equivalence.
our party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die, fiscal responsibility, limited federal government, string national defense. The horror!
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01-13-2023, 11:41 AM
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every equivalence that appears to show the democrats using a double standard, is a “false” equivalence. That’s your standard. if it makes the left look bad, it can’t be a valid equivalence. you don’t even care what’s being equated. If it paints democrats in a negative light, it’s a false equivalence.
our party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die, fiscal responsibility, limited federal government, string national defense. The horror!
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Jim you’re just intellectually dishonest if you weren’t you wouldn’t compare Richard Blumenthal behavior to santos Or you post your half truths about Ron.
Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Saturday afternoon that Florida’s public school campuses will remain closed for the remainder of the school year.
Florida has now joined the list of states that are ordering residents to remain in their homes for all but essential activities to help stop the spread of the coronavirus. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made the announcement at an afternoon briefing. It was just a few hours after he spoke to President Trump. DeSantis said he's issuing an executive order that will direct "all Floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or essential activities."
With this order, Florida is joining more than 30 other states, Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico in ordering a lockdown. In total, the orders affect more than 85% of the U.S. population. DeSantis said the order will go into effect in Florida on Thursday at midnight.
Yes Jim The state was one of the earliest to resume in-person instruction. And lift lock down restrictions
Now with two years of perspective, DeSantis railed against strict pandemic response measures. Because he sees political benefits
Just like now he questioning Covid 19 vaccines after encouraging citizens to get vaccinated
For DeSantis, the way he handled the pandemic in Florida meant reinvention. He was seen as a national MAGA and Jim hero
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01-13-2023, 11:47 AM
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Your party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die
No Jim your partys ideology has you believing in lies over truth and facts
And your so deep down the rabbit hole you actually believe the nonsense you post
That there are people allowing living babies to whither and die…
Yep that’s what’s happening across America
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01-13-2023, 12:09 PM
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I suppose all the things Jim names were in the 2020 Republican platform?
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01-14-2023, 09:17 AM
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If you think it’s crazy now, wait until November, when they realize the only play left is stopping any raise in the debt ceiling. We all know how fiscally responsible the republicans are, so let’s hold that hostage, no need to pay our bills.
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01-14-2023, 12:03 PM
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The difference between the Democrats & GOP is a rift between adulthood & perpetual adolescence. While Dems deliver lower insulin costs, affordable hearing-aids & infrastructure. GOP argues over who gets to drive the Camaro to a keg party, even though it hasn’t passed inspection and nobody knows how to drive.
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Don't worry Rs are on in and want to roll back the drug savings.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...bill/4953/text
To repeal prescription drug price control provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
September 27, 2022
Mr. Lee (for himself, Ms. Lummis, Mr. Lankford, and Mr. Rubio) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance
A BILL
To repeal prescription drug price control provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Protect Drug Innovation Act”.
SEC. 2. REPEAL OF PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICE CONTROL PROVISIONS.
Effective on the date of the enactment of this Act, the provisions of parts 1, 2, and 3 of subtitle B of title I of Public Law 117–169 are repealed and the provisions of law amended by such parts are restored as if such parts had never been enacted.
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01-14-2023, 02:45 PM
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Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.
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01-14-2023, 03:39 PM
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Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.
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A record 13.6 million Americans have signed up for health coverage for 2022 on the Affordable Care Act marketplaces, with nearly a month remaining to enroll in most states,
Yep the republicans and the MAGA horde think all those 13.6 million are all liberals
While many republicans and MAGA universe. Get their health care via the ACA and are vaccinated.. they’ll never admit it to their circle of friends in fear of becoming outcasts .
But they will still cheer on the house , in their efforts to stick it to the libs
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01-14-2023, 03:57 PM
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McCarthy agreed to a secret deal to actually breach the debt limit and shut down everything the govt does beside the military and social security. no faa, border patrol, DOJ, school lunch, education, medicaid, food safety. Everything torched.
Time to mint the trillion dollar coin
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Ryan Zinke stepped up to the microphone and into the Twilight Zone.
“Despite the ‘deep state’s’ repeated attempts to stop me, I stand before you as a duly elected member of the United States Congress and tell you that a deep state exists and is perhaps the strongest covert weapon the left has against the American people,” he told the House. The Montana Republican, who has returned to Congress after a scandal-plagued stint in President Donald Trump’s Cabinet, informed his colleagues that “the deep state runs secret messaging campaigns” and is trying “to wipe out the American cowboy.” Yee-haw! Zinke was speaking in support of a new Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government, or,
And Democrats call it, the “Tinfoil Hat Committee.” In substance, it’s the QAnon committee, with a remit to probe the “deep state” and other wacky conspiracy theories.
Republicans making everyone’s predictions a reality
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01-15-2023, 12:42 PM
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Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., plans to form the "first-ever Anti-Woke Caucus" within the congressional ranks, a group that believes "wokeness" has become the "greatest domestic threat to America today."
Wokeness greatest domestic threat to America today."
Republicans got new prescriptions for their glasses .. they can see woke but not insurrection
Cowards
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