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12-15-2014, 08:00 PM
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Location: Libtardia
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What's going to happen when the person leaves the charter with 2 fish in his car ?? Rec limit is 1 fish and he has 2.
This is utterly ridiculous and if this passes, it only shows the level of corruption in fisheries management.
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12-15-2014, 08:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
What's going to happen when the person leaves the charter with 2 fish in his car ?? Rec limit is 1 fish and he has 2.
This is utterly ridiculous and if this passes, it only shows the level of corruption in fisheries management.
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The crew/mate on the few for hire boats I've ever been on cleaned the fish on the way in or at the dock - is this not common practice anymore? Customer then leaves with fillets or steaks. |
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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12-16-2014, 09:31 AM
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I just got word from Charles Witek from NY who is monitoring what NY fisheries folks are doing about 2015 regs. His response below:
{Right now, the states are negotiating together, trying to reach agreement on common regulations.
New York regulators favor one fish. However, if other states--and this is being driven by the Rhode Island Charter and Party Boat Association--adopt a 2-fish bag for their for-hires, New York will go along in order to keep the competitive playing field level.}
Anybody aware of this? Not sure how I feel about negotiating behind the scenes without public input.
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DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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12-16-2014, 03:45 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: guilford CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DZ
I just got word from Charles Witek from NY who is monitoring what NY fisheries folks are doing about 2015 regs. His response below:
{Right now, the states are negotiating together, trying to reach agreement on common regulations.
New York regulators favor one fish. However, if other states--and this is being driven by the Rhode Island Charter and Party Boat Association--adopt a 2-fish bag for their for-hires, New York will go along in order to keep the competitive playing field level.}
Anybody aware of this? Not sure how I feel about negotiating behind the scenes without public input.
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I've heard this from several sources--
If RI gets 2 fish for their charter fleet, then NY (and likely other states) will all flollow suit.
the RISAA guys NED TO GET ON THIS- they changed their official stance when the vote was coming due in October due to the sentiment of their members- NOW IS THE TIME TO MAN UP again.
let the committee members know their membership wants one fish per day for everyone |
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12-16-2014, 06:15 PM
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Afterhours Custom Plugs
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: R.I.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobber
the RISAA guys NED TO GET ON THIS- they changed their official stance when the vote was coming due in October due to the sentiment of their members- NOW IS THE TIME TO MAN UP again.
let the committee members know their membership wants one fish per day for everyone
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I agree. |
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12-16-2014, 09:35 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
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See. CORRUPTION
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12-16-2014, 12:16 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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Just confirmed - there was a meeting in RI this morning.
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DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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12-16-2014, 02:42 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DZ
Just confirmed - there was a meeting in RI this morning.
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Dennis, any word on results? |
No boat, back in the suds.  
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12-16-2014, 02:50 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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Originally Posted by piemma
Dennis, any word on results?
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I know two people who attended but they won't say anything to me until tomorrow night. |
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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12-16-2014, 02:20 PM
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Location: New Haven
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Does NY really believe people are going to drive all the way to RI for the chance at a second fish? I don't think many people from CT would even do that. If the differential was 5:1 then maybe people would make the drive, but 2:1 ratio the expenses of the additional travel eliminate the competitive advantage.
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12-17-2014, 08:18 AM
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Location: Newtown, CT
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Originally Posted by striperswiper75
Does NY really believe people are going to drive all the way to RI for the chance at a second fish? I don't think many people from CT would even do that. If the differential was 5:1 then maybe people would make the drive, but 2:1 ratio the expenses of the additional travel eliminate the competitive advantage.
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For most New Yorkers the trip to RI is about the same as the trip to Montauk. |
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12-17-2014, 08:37 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Warwick RI,02889
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WELL i,VE BEEN KINDA JUST WATCHING THIS POST .............. IMO no matter what you use as numbers or percentages ..................... 1 & 1 is two // 2 / to more dead bass
as far as 2 @ 33 that will be business as usual to the charter fleet at the block ................how often do they catch fish UNDER 33"
Once they finish the fish kill at the Block .will it really matter by then ..................... where will they go to keep on killing . they will just speed up the end to their business .................................. OH BTW that doesn,t matter to [some] of the them ............like the head of the charter association ........who is really pushing for the two fish ..............this is is part time job for him along with selling the catch .he does have a commercial R&R license ........................he has a full time job with great benefits
&& no chance of a layoff or going out of business when its the WFD ><><><   |
ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE !!!
MIKE
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12-16-2014, 03:09 PM
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Was this a public meeting w a posted agenda?
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12-16-2014, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by striperswiper75
Was this a public meeting w a posted agenda?
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If it was I missed it. |
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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12-16-2014, 03:13 PM
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I wish I had gone to the meeting I would have worn I still tip shoes and make sure everybody goes home with orthodontics braces
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12-16-2014, 04:10 PM
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Location: Libtardia
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Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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12-16-2014, 05:33 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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Fox guarding the hen house. |
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12-16-2014, 05:40 PM
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Location: Mansfield
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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I'm sure there are some . They are pretty proactive guys . FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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12-16-2014, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I'm sure there are some . They are pretty proactive guys . FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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If we are all on the same team we should have the same recreational reduction across the board. Charters (recreational) should not have separate guidelines than (non charter) recreational. If we are all on the same team we should follow the will of the people who overwhelmingly supported a recreational reduction based on 1 fish a day.
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It all started last year during a terrible thunderstorm, when I locked myself out of the house. Shelving myself with a large piece of sheet metal, I ran for cover under the tallest tree I could find!
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12-16-2014, 06:36 PM
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Pete K.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman
FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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Why do i get the feeling that you think the reduction is a good thing strictly contingent upon being allowed 2 fish per day?
Your continued opposition to 1 fish, and strong support of being allowed to continue killing 2 per day does not put you and me on the same side...
I'm on the side of killing less so there are more fish alive in the ocean... You seem to be on the side of killing more so there's no interruption of money in your pocket. You just cant have it both ways.
The asmfc made that clever little conservational equivalency "menu" yet they forgot the fine print that says " selecting certain options leads to less fish in the ocean"
All those options were created so the asmfc can pass the final decision off to the states in a crappy attempt to make everyone happy without looking like the bad guy... All while sitting pretty under their window-dressing vote of " look! We passed 1@28" and we did our job".
Buuuuulllll shhhhhhhhh you did!
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12-16-2014, 06:51 PM
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Location: Middletown, RI
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We need to find out the results of the meeting. Facts first.
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12-16-2014, 04:48 PM
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Pete K.
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I swear i have practically zero faith in any sort of process anymore. This is so depressing to watch what is clearly happening. The fact that this is even a tough decision for some states is blatantly obvious that they are putting profit before maintaining a healthy resource ( which leads to sustainable profit anyways!!)
Anything less than a drastic cut in killing bass across the board is a corrupt back-room joke. Seriously... Tell me im wrong, and i'll show you a shortsighted person who is playing checkers with the resource and his pay instead of chess.
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12-16-2014, 05:39 PM
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"Fishbucket"
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Charter captains and comercial fishermen
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12-16-2014, 05:44 PM
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No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.
That's like bill Clinton saying that a blow job doesn't count as "sexual relations".
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12-16-2014, 05:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.
That's like bill Clinton saying that a blow job doesn't count as "sexual relations".
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Well that's a WTF analogy.
I'm amazed you havent been able to follow along in this conversation at all. Just because you're allowed to take two fish doesn't mean you will anymore than you being allowed to take one means you will catch one .
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12-16-2014, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.
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It's like banging one chick that's a 10 vs 2 chicks that are both 5's...same thing 
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"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
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12-16-2014, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Piscator
It's like banging one chick that's a 10 vs 2 chicks that are both 5's...same thing
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Much better analogy!!!!
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12-16-2014, 06:53 PM
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Much better analogy!!!!
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No it's not . Don't get him started
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12-16-2014, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Much better analogy!!!!
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I sort of meant that the end result is you banged a 10... Just got there different ways...like the equivalency argument...just lighting up the thread a bit..now banging two 7's vs one 10 is a completly different ball game
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"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
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12-16-2014, 09:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscator
I sort of meant that the end result is you banged a 10... Just got there different ways...like the equivalency argument...just lighting up the thread a bit..now banging two 7's vs one 10 is a completly different ball game
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Ahhhhhh since you put it that way 👍
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