Promises made....easy solution

[Pete F.]

Here’s your chance to show how important a wall is to you

If everyone who voted for Trump ponies up $80 he gets 5 billion for the wall!

https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwal...uIwwPB98RJnreY

[Jim in CT]

same thing with every government program. not just trumps policies. right?
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[Pete F.]

I didn’t start the go fund me
Just think you would save 10x that in a few months, Trump claims
He’d probably do the middle class tax cut then
Though since now he claims the border is secured why do you need more wall

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With so much talk about the Wall, people are losing sight of the great job being done on our Southern Border by Border Patrol, ICE and our great Military. Remember the Caravans? Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I didn’t start the go fund me
Just think you would save 10x that in a few months, Trump claims
He’d probably do the middle class tax cut then
Though since now he claims the border is secured why do you need more wall

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With so much talk about the Wall, people are losing sight of the great job being done on our Southern Border by Border Patrol, ICE and our great Military. Remember the Caravans? Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!
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Is it bad that citizens would try to fund themselves, that which the government chooses not to do?

I'm not sure I get why people (like Hilary) are OK with a fence, but not a wall, can you explain the difference to me? I don't get opposition to that wall, I just don't. I can usually see both sides to any given issue. How can you be opposed to blocking un-vetted and uninvited people, from coming into the country?

[Slipknot]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vet...nd-border-wall

Began by a triple amputee Air Force veteran.


"— Brian Kolfage, triple amputee U.S. military veteran
Kolfage wrote that the campaign has been in touch with the Trump administration “to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion.”

“As a veteran who has given so much, 3 limbs, I feel deeply invested to this nation to ensure future generations have everything we have today,” Kolfage’s page reads. “Too many Americans have been murdered by illegal aliens and too many illegals are taking advantage of the United States taxpayers with no means of ever contributing to our society.”

He added: “Democrats are going to stall this project by every means possible and play political games to ensure President Trump doesn’t get his victory. They'd rather see President Trump fail than see America succeed. However, if we can fund a large portion of this wall, it will jumpstart things and will be less money Trump has to secure from our politicians.”


Pete, are you with us or against us? It's ok to have a difference of opinion.
It is a fact that a wall makes the border 95% more secure and allows the border agents a much higher rate of success. It is a proven fact. So if you want the country secure, build the wall. If you want open border and fleecing of America to continue, then support the nitwits. But try using common sense and you may find yourself supporting a wall.

[Pete F.]

I’m against a simple elegant and incorrect solution to a complex problem.
There’s horrific situations in a number of countries in Central America
Building a wall for billions that you can scale with a ladder and a rope worth $500 is simplistic
People don’t hand carry drugs across the border in any quantity, it comes by truck, plane and boat and still would.
We also need immigration reform along with how we do work permits, and clamp down on the illegal workers like the ones Trump has hired in the past
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m against a simple elegant and incorrect solution to a complex problem.
There’s horrific situations in a number of countries in Central America
Building a wall for billions that you can scale with a ladder and a rope worth $500 is simplistic
People don’t hand carry drugs across the border in any quantity, it comes by truck, plane and boat and still would.
We also need immigration reform along with how we do work permits, and clamp down on the illegal workers like the ones Trump has hired in the past
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If you want a complex solution, a wall would be part of it, not the whole of it. It won't stop boats and planes (don't know what your complex solution would) but it would stop a lot of people and slow down a bunch too. And would make it more feasible for a border security force to do its job. And $20 billion is a tiny drip of money that the federal government spends on dip-chit projects.

As for improving conditions in the countries from which the illegals come, we can't nation build the world. If we ease the internal pressures of the poorly governed nations by accepting a steady flow of their population, the crisis needed for their reform is eased and the rotten conditions will remain.

In order to have a successful nation state, its citizens must assure that state. The citizens must demand their rights or revolt.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If you want a complex solution, a wall would be part of it, not the whole of it. It won't stop boats and planes (don't know what your complex solution would) but it would stop a lot of people and slow down a bunch too. And would make it more feasible for a border security force to do its job. And $20 billion is a tiny drip of money that the federal government spends on dip-chit projects.

As for improving conditions in the countries from which the illegals come, we can't nation build the world. If we ease the internal pressures of the poorly governed nations by accepting a steady flow of their population, the crisis needed for their reform is eased and the rotten conditions will remain.

In order to have a successful nation state, its citizens must assure that state. The citizens must demand their rights or revolt.

Perhaps if we had not made sure that popular governments had not survived in Central America they would not be such a mess.
China and Russia are expanding their involvement in the region, while we reduce ours.

And as far as your wall goes Trump tweeted, now explain what will more wall do
He claims to have already solved the problem
“With so much talk about the Wall, people are losing sight of the great job being done on our Southern Border by Border Patrol, ICE and our great Military. Remember the Caravans? Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps if we had not made sure that popular governments had not survived in Central America they would not be such a mess.

Do you want to keep making that mistake?

China and Russia are expanding their involvement in the region, while we reduce ours.

What do you mean by "expanding involvement"? Are they accepting mass migration and immigration from the region?

And as far as your wall goes Trump tweeted, now explain what will more wall do
He claims to have already solved the problem
“With so much talk about the Wall, people are losing sight of the great job being done on our Southern Border by Border Patrol, ICE and our great Military. Remember the Caravans? Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”
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He is speaking about a temporary situation which involved exaggerated reaction to stop an immediate threat. The military is not part of a long term complex solution. His border security officers have told him that the wall would greatly help along those parts of the border that have no official port of entry and are not secured 24/7.

[Slipknot]

Incorrect solution? No, it's just one way to get something done, it is NOT incorrect. Maybe you can come up with a solution of your own like maybe getting church groups to work with under privileged people who want to come here but can't afford the fee for the legal process. Or start your own gofundme with all those rich people you know and have worked for in the past.
It all won't matter if the socialists get there way and destroy the country which is about bankrupt already because there will be no benefit to coming here when there is no reward or hand outs. Go on supporting the powerful rich leaders and keep complaining about the one in charge now because they are all the same to me, and keep watching skewed media, you all parrot their stuff daily.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m against a simple elegant and incorrect solution to a complex problem. but you are FOR cutting in line ahead of those who pay to do it legally, I see.
There’s horrific situations in a number of countries in Central America
Building a wall for billions that you can scale with a ladder and a rope worth $500 is simplistic A fence is no different, both structures slow down crossings and Dems supported a fence, why not a wall?
People don’t hand carry drugs across the border in any quantity, it comes by truck, plane and boat and still would.Wrong, plenty of people carry quantities across and sometimes multiple times per day so don't belittle the band aid
We also need immigration reform along with how we do work permits, and clamp down on the illegal workers like the ones Trump has hired in the pastnot arguing we need reform
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