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Old 07-08-2008, 04:01 PM   #1
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Obama's top 50 lies

I hope you have the time to read all this. Enjoy!


1.) 'Selma Got Me Born' - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in

1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma didn't occur until 1965.

2.) 'Father Was A Goat Herder' - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated

youth, who went on to work with the socialistic Kenyan Government.

3.) 'Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter' - LIAR, he was part of one of the

most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) 'My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom' - LIAR, your cousin Raila

Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate

election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) 'My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian' - LIAR, she does her daily

Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention,

Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) 'My Name is African Swahili' - LIAR, your name is Arabic and Barak(from

which Barack came) means �blessed' in that language. Hussein is also

Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) 'I Never Practiced Islam' - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school,

where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until

your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) 'My School In Indonesia was Christian' - LIAR, you were registered as

Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making silly faces.

(check your own book).

9.) 'I Was Fluent In Indonesian' - LIAR, not one teacher says you could

speak the language.

10.) 'Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience' - LIAR,

you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the l

anguage. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?

11.) 'I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs' - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise)

and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on

the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) 'I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion' - LIAR, you were quite

content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention

of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine...you

merely chose to do drugs.

13.)'An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office' - LIAR, Ebony has yet to

find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) 'A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life' - LIAR, Life has

yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did,

exist.

15.) 'I Won't Run On A National Ticket' in '08' - LIAR, here you are,

despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by

then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) 'Voting Present rather than Yes or No is Common In Illinois' - LIAR,

That is common for YOU, but not many others have 130 'Present' votes which

means you wouldn't commit yourself because you didn't want the voters to

know the real you and where you stood on the issues!

17.) 'Oops, I Misvoted' - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and

democrats, did you beg to change your so-called 'misvote'.

18.) 'I Was A Professor Of Law' - LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer ON

LEAVE.

19.) 'I Was A Constitutional Lawyer' - LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer

ON LEAVE.

20.) 'Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill' - LIAR, you didn't write

it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) 'The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass' - LIAR, it took just 14 days from

start to finish.

22.) 'I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill' - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your

own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of

the money you took from your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod

came.

23.) 'I Have Released My State Records' - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state

bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the

special interests pork hidden within.

24.) 'I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess' - LIAR, you were part of

a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention

anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) 'My Economics Bill Will Help America' - LIAR, your 111 economic

policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU

voted against your own bill.

26.) 'I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois' - LIAR, even your own

supporters claim to have never seen any BOLD action on your part.

27.) 'I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year' - LIAR, they were not YOUR

bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator,

to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) 'No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA' - LIAR, the Canadian Government

issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) 'I Am Tough On Terrorism' - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote

on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of

Israel and another friend el Hadi(sp?) was stopped by the Federal Government

from collecting and sending donations to the terrorist group Hamas...now he

is raising money for you and lists your wife Michelle as a supporter of his

and she lists him as one of her friends. Also you and your wife are known

co-horts of the man and wife 'Weather-Underground' hippie pair who admitted

killing people and bombing several federal buildings back in the late

sixties or early seventies. The man has written a book saying he and his

wife only wish they had done more killings and bombings!

30.) 'I Am Not Acting As President Yet' - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead

terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you

and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) 'I Didn't Run Ads In Florida' - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run

8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) 'I Won Michigan' - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) 'I won Nevada' - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) 'I Want All Votes To Count' - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) 'I Want Americans To Decide' - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the

vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small

windows of time.

36.) 'I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate' - LIAR, you only passed 26,

most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) 'My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend' - LIAR, that friend is

threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying

this.

38.) 'I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics' - LIAR, you used tactics to

eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) 'I Don't Take PAC Money' - LIAR, you have taken loads of it.

40.) 'I don't Have Lobbyists' - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and

counting.

41.) 'My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad' - LIAR, your own

campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) 'My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace' - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace

issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) 'I Inspire People With My Words' - LIAR, you inspire people with other

people's words.

44.) 'I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate' - LIAR, you have passed A BILL

in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) 'I Have Always Been Against Iraq' - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote

against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich,

who seems to be gutting you, Obama.

46.) 'I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care' - LIAR, your plan

leaves all of us working taxpayers to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have

to buy it.

47.) 'I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail' - LIAR, both

companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no

record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) 'I Am As Patriotic As Anyone' - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you

don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem... because you have

said 'you didn't want to offend muslims and others who don't like America'!

49.) 'My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country' - LIAR, your

wife's words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in

relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) 'Wal-Mart Is A Company I Would't Support' - LIAR, your wife has

received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is

connected to Wal-Mart
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:28 PM   #2
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I think when the "confirmed deaths attributed to Obama" list comes out we'll know for sure that McCain is history

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Old 07-08-2008, 05:31 PM   #4
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HAY GUISE I GOT THIS IN AN EMALE IT SEZ ITS REEL RITE?


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If it wasn't for them damn liberals who banned shark hunting OUR TROOPS WOULDN'T BE IN HARMS WAY!!!

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Always enjoyable getting you guys fired up We'll see soon enough. Your guys a fraud. Herd em up, Obama
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:41 PM   #7
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Always enjoyable getting you guys fired up We'll see soon enough. Your guys a fraud. Herd em up, Obama
Like this thread, there's fantasy and reality. The reality right now is that if the election were held today, that fraud would crush John McCain and the Dems would be running the show.

Some time ago I picked McCain by 5 points and I'm sticking by it, but unless he gets his %$%$%$%$ together I may have to restate my odds.

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Has anyone checked the facts against his book? Would be interested to see if this checks out.
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Bush and Cheney are bigger liars

How about McCain's buddy GWBush and #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney the biggest liars in politics. Like weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi?
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Like this thread, there's fantasy and reality. The reality right now is that if the election were held today, that fraud would crush John McCain and the Dems would be running the show.

Some time ago I picked McCain by 5 points and I'm sticking by it, but unless he gets his %$%$%$%$ together I may have to restate my odds.

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How about McCain's buddy GWBush and #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney the biggest liars in politics. Like weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi?
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Funny how the press never discussed the 550 metric tons of "yellow cake" found the Sadamm had on hand.

IMO the war is now more of a policing action then an active war anyway. There hasn't been any "shock and awe" in quite some time.
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Nobody cares about yellowcake.
We'd rather talk about lame e-mail chain letters.

So how many friends did you have to send that to so you'd find out who your true love was buckman?

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I'm not sure all the folks that say they are for Obama will pull the lever for him or even show up come election time. I think it's going to gt real interesting soon. This guys a fraud. Like Duvall in Ma. No experience, all talk and now rearranging his positons to suit the situation. It will all catch up to him soon. John Mccain is the real deal, like him or not. He's not Bush.
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Nobody cares about yellowcake.
We'd rather talk about lame e-mail chain letters.

So how many friends did you have to send that to so you'd find out who your true love was buckman?
I was just passing along a little discussion material there buddy. We know who's ass you cherish
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I was just passing along a little discussion material there buddy.
In the form of a lame chain letter thats probably been around the world 203487023848234 times now?

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Awwww someone's upset that they got bashed on for posting a grandma intelligence level chain letter.
Its ok, let it out. Everyone here is cool.

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Funny how the press never discussed the 550 metric tons of "yellow cake" found the Sadamm had on hand.
Actually this was a pretty big news story back when it broke. Of course, the real news was that the 550 metric tons of "yellow cake" was exactly where the United Nations Inspectors left it and still under UN seal

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IMO the war is now more of a policing action then an active war anyway. There hasn't been any "shock and awe" in quite some time.
Not since we declared "mission accomplished" at least. According to our President, Iraq is the central front on the War on Terror. Considering Bush has the authority to deploy US forces, and he's using that authority with abandon, I'd say we're still at war.

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Not since we declared "mission accomplished" at least. According to our President, Iraq is the central front on the War on Terror.
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One of the biggest lies told.
I had and continue to have ZERO problem with going into Afghanistan after Al Queda, but to say Iraq is the center of terrorism, while we lose ground in Afghanistan, is the real

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And Pakistan harboring terrorists to benefit themselves while telling us stories.

US: "stop supplying the Taliban"
Pakistan: "Ok"
*supplies Taliban to get more fighters for kashmir*
US: "stop it"
Pakistan: "Ok"
*does it again*

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Fact: He has 143 days "experience" in the senate. He has also has no military experience and is running for commander in chief? You can do no better that that?

Most of elderly in this country (60+) will not vote for a black candidate ever. This makes up a huge portion of those that vote.
Many say they will vote for him but when it comes time to pull the lever they will go with McCain-Romney ticket. (that is my bet)

The inner city vote will go obama. However as the libs rediscover each voting season, the country is made up of a lot of red states in the middle.
I have listened to Obama closely and he is a flowery speaker but most of the time says very little of substance. Change and hope and terms like that are nice at the stump but exactly what change? He constantly props himself up by throwing rocks and not detailing what he would do. OK I get the pulling troops out of the mid east but how do you plan to maintain stability with no one there? In essence he thinks we could become friends with these killers and by dialog we can convince them to be kind to others. I think he is naive, frankly and prefer like the peace thru strength approach, instead of the go away and ignore what others do. Clinton did that and IMO it brought us 911. He did nothing on the first attack on the trade towers and did even less when the USS Cole was attacked. Doing nothing is not a response. You need to take serous action. The entire concept of a displaying a carrier group and support ships off the coast of a trouble making country is to put the fear of Allah front and center of the leadership to persuade them to do the right thing without even firing a shot....but you could if you had to.

Increasing taxes now, no domestic drilling, a vague nationalized health-care plan that will never materialize and an even vaguer ideas on how to deal with illegal immigration, no energy plan except to stick with no drilling and develop alternatives ( but is naive on how long this will take or how to do it and is anti nuclear) ... and a commander in chief with no military experience whatsoever will kill this "messiah" of the liberal party.

Lastly, I honestly think he changed his religion because he wanted to run for office. He was born a Muslim, he went to muslim schools and practiced Islam. He then changed to a "progressive" black "christian" church that hates America and everything it stands for. He then denounces that church and its minister because it is effecting him in the polls. His wife is not proud to be an American and has never been proud.....yeah, I'll take the McCains over that any day. Besides Cindy M would be a pretty cute first lady.


Finally, If Osama Bin Laden and any of the Al qaeda leaders could vote in the election, they would vote for Barrack Hussein Obama, no question. Think about it before you pull that lever.
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Fact: nobody cares and nothing is going to change.

Both candidates are politicians which by default are frauds. Just like Amenealsdjflhadljkfhalhsdf they're PUPPETS.

Obama is a black guy. Just that alone says he's gonna lose. Sad but true, this country is still racist.
McCain is a geriatric dude who can't stop from throwing racial slurs on tv and telling "WELL WHEN I WAS IN VIETNAAAAAM" stories and is probably gonna keel over a month into presidency.

I'll be in the Carribean during election time anyhow most likely.

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Finally, If Osama Bin Laden and any of the Al qaeda leaders could vote in the election, they would vote for Barrack Hussein Obama, no question. Think about it before you pull that lever.
This has to be the most retarded statement ever.
They're not Americans so who cares?

And you know what?
I'll HAPPILY vote for Barrack HUSSEIN Obama just so I can see the outrage of people who keep harping on this HUSSEIN crap!

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And Pakistan harboring terrorists to benefit themselves while telling us stories.

US: "stop supplying the Taliban"
Pakistan: "Ok"
*supplies Taliban to get more fighters for kashmir*
US: "stop it"
Pakistan: "Ok"
*does it again*
The irony is that the Pakistani military is very secular but feeds the flames of Islamisim when it suits their interests...this started back in the 1980's to fight the Soviet Union and seems to have continued.

And we helped by pumping 5 billion into Afghanistan to fund Bin Laden and his ilk through the CIA.

Isn't hindsight wonderful

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The leadership behind the Pakistani military and ISI dig fundamentalism.

That scares the hell out of me considering they have nukes.

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I would have no problem voting for a Black Man but sadly the one I considered experienced enough didn't run for office. I'm probably not voting for Obama because in my book he is simply not qualified (yeh, Bush was not qualified either and never got my vote).

Obama in 8 years? WITH more experience, though still without military experience? Dunno.

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The leadership behind the Pakistani military and ISI dig fundamentalism.

That scares the hell out of me considering they have nukes.
The ISI but not the military leadership as I understand it. I think there's very little chance of Pakastani nukes getting in the hands of terrorists. Musharrif has just sold the Administration on this notion to keep the money flowing and so we'll turn a blind eye to his limiting democracy.

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Musharrif is known for breaking promises though.
He certainly doesn't like Karzai that much at all.

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I think the tribal nature of that entire region makes it pretty hard for anyone to trust the intentions of outsiders. It's rooted very deeply in their culture, and something the Admin completely failed to comprehend when we went into Iraq.

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Karzai hates the Taliban
Therefore Musharrif hates Karzai.

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I would have no problem voting for a Black Man but sadly the one I considered experienced enough didn't run for office. I'm probably not voting for Obama because in my book he is simply not qualified (yeh, Bush was not qualified either and never got my vote).


Obama in 8 years? WITH more experience, though still without military experience? Dunno.
John, you sound like a crazy person saying you're going to vote based on the candidate's qualifications. Don't you realize it's not about who's qualified or where they stand on important issues? This coming election is all about who speaks more eloquently and looks sharp as well as who isn't the same party as the current prez. I think asking voters to be informed and look at experience and qualifications is too much.

If you ask people why they like one guy over the other, the'll say "it's because I agree with his stance on importand issues". But, don't ask them for specifics. The average voter is so uninformed, they won't be able to tell you about McCain's stance on education or Obama's stance on illegal immigration. It's too bad that people don't take the time to be informed.
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John, you sound like a crazy person saying you're going to vote based on the candidate's qualifications. Don't you realize it's not about who's qualified or where they stand on important issues? This coming election is all about who speaks more eloquently and looks sharp as well as who isn't the same party as the current prez. I think asking voters to be informed and look at experience and qualifications is too much.

If you ask people why they like one guy over the other, the'll say "it's because I agree with his stance on importand issues". But, don't ask them for specifics. The average voter is so uninformed, they won't be able to tell you about McCain's stance on education or Obama's stance on illegal immigration. It's too bad that people don't take the time to be informed.
Considering how much dislike there is for President Bush, who represents the GOP platform it's perfectly reasonable for a voter to simply vote for change. Hence why McCain is in such a battle with the GOP to retool the party platform so it conforms more with pragmatic independent voters.

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Therefore Musharrif hates Karzai.
I don't think Musharrif has any love for the Taliban, that's the ISI. It's all very complicated.

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