Civil Rights

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

To get a gun I need to get a license. for that, first I need to take a safety course, then have a background check, and then get the approval of the Police Chief.

A woman can ALWAYS get Birth control, you're confusing her access to it with who gets the bill.

You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

all i hear from you and other 2a supporters is the same broken record Their coming for our guns .. I ask who and your this is your answer ?


we all know who the control freaks are.. No we dont lets hear some names names maybe an organization or is this more deep-state voodoo

Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html

Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718

Originally Posted by PaulS

A new low for this forum.

Nahhhh, hold my beer ; )

Originally Posted by Nebe

You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol

Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html

Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718
That will be interesting, In Vermont if Republicans are pissed at their candidate it usually means a Democrat gets elected.


Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol




Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?

No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.

free to move...

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.

Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.

Perhaps it isn't. Other states with less strict gun laws also have low gun death rates. What was Massachusetts' gun death rate before having its current laws?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.

Maybe because Massachusetts is ranked #1 in mental health care? Oh that's right, we aren't supposed to connect mental health to the gun control issue.

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/i...ranking-states
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or maybe it's because Mass is top 3rd of the country for unemployment?

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

or maybe it's the rather low Suicide rate in Mass, since that gets lumped into all the stats about gun violence.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/suicide.htm

one thing I noticed is that if you bounce the Suicide by state against the Unemployment by state, the States with the highest unemployment seem to be in the states with the highest suicide rates.

so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.

but why would we want to do that Kevin? Oh , I know, it takes more effort and politicians are lazy and do things the easy way with little effort because they don't friggin care. We all know gun control is about control, yet some follow along mindlessly like sheep.

The rest of your post is spot on also but it does not fit the Left's agenda

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol

Some of those same countries you could be jailed for your post, so there is that ; )

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.

Originally Posted by scottw

free to move...

Free to move from here, not necessarily free to move to most of those countries ; )

(not picking on Pete ; ) )

Originally Posted by Slipknot

but why would we want to do that Kevin? Oh , I know, it takes more effort and politicians are lazy and do things the easy way with little effort because they don't friggin care. We all know gun control is about control, yet some follow along mindlessly like sheep.

The rest of your post is spot on also but it does not fit the Left's agenda

All his points are pretty spot on - in fact if the left looked more closely at some of those other socioeconomic statistics that might be too much in the mirror.

I would be amenable for some of Mass's restrictions except they would not end there. I could be OK with a Red Flag law / GVRO / bump stock ban / safe storage laws / additional certification if it was going to stop there, but it won't. I was willing to concede in certain areas but the past 2 months of convinced me (again) that would be a fools compromise to give in.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I could be OK with a Red Flag law / GVRO / bump stock ban / safe storage laws / additional certification if it was going to stop there, but it won't. I was willing to concede in certain areas but the past 2 months of convinced me (again) that would be a fools compromise to give in.

Well John, time to speak up as your state is next to red flag according to the Governor's panel she assembled that is made up of people who already made up their minds so why they bother to go thru motions is just optics I guess.


https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/1...6d49ca56a4ad72


good luck, we already had our red flag bill rammed thru this summer, my Rep and a dozen or so others voted no but in this state there was no stopping this poorly written law from passing as they slap each others' backs congratulating themselves for "doing" something, as opposed to addressing the actual problem.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Maybe because Massachusetts is ranked #1 in mental health care? Oh that's right, we aren't supposed to connect mental health to the gun control issue.

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/i...ranking-states
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or maybe it's because Mass is top 3rd of the country for unemployment?

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

or maybe it's the rather low Suicide rate in Mass, since that gets lumped into all the stats about gun violence.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/suicide.htm

one thing I noticed is that if you bounce the Suicide by state against the Unemployment by state, the States with the highest unemployment seem to be in the states with the highest suicide rates.

so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.

It’s a lot easier to blame the inanimate object, than it is to accept responsibility for ourselves. One of the cornerstones if liberalism is that no one is responsible for the things they do.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

One of the cornerstones if liberalism is that no one is responsible for the things they do.
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This is why Jim.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html

yes but they did not ban guns now did they .. they banned assault rifles well with in their right to do so not all guns

Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718




Nahhhh, hold my beer ; )




No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.



Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?

but nice try

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

but nice try

Through legislation they told their citizens if they have something that was legal yesterday - turn it in or be fined 200-1000 dollars per day. Unless you jump through a bunch of hoops.

For all practical purposes they are confiscating those firearms.

Can you guess who won't be turning them in? The people that already own them illegally.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

The Trump vector seems the closest we've gotten the past century, but in this case it's the gun zealots who are his blind supporters.

Still, it's so far off to be a non threat and a foolish errand at that. While the system had a hiccup in 2016 it seems like the key parts are still working if at times a bit clumsy.

Trump is the most likely vector?

It really should not matter who is President, but thanks for your inclusive approach.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Trump is the most likely vector?

I said the closest. We've never seen leadership this corrupt with such fanaticism in my lifetime if at all in the last 100 years.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I said the closest. We've never seen leadership this corrupt with such fanaticism in my lifetime if at all in the last 100 years.

Closest - whatever.


Well, Obama may or may not have been as corrupt (though his ideology surely is) the fanaticism was real. The fanaticism, supported byt the media on how bad Mitt Effing Romney was. Mitt was a Boy Scout and spot on WRT a lot of things. But binders of wimin... And he's gonna putcha back in chains.

GMAFB

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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No, I am talking about any gun.
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