Disappointment in ya'll

[redlite]

I poop in this forum every now and then to watch ya ll smash mouth each other on the political joke across the board we dwell in even though i dont waste my breathe bitchin about the rich man's popularity pissin contests but i haveto say im mighty dissappointed
Joe bama gave such an earth shatterin speach on national tv tonite on the eve of 9/11 and yet still not rants about what he had to spew about. Lame i had to start a thread about it. Fortunately my daughter whined about watchin the same doc mcstuffins for the 17th time so much that it was a more interestin option.
So what did the puppet behind the curtain have to say?

[Poncho]

He was concerned about the striped bass numbers on the outer cape
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[JohnR]

#Leadingfrombehind

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by redlite

So what did the puppet behind the curtain have to say?

FORE LEFT ! Eff him..

[buckman]

Very frustrating . An incredibly incoherent , all over the map , embarrassing speach . I think we are all just shaking our heads .
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[justplugit]

Look at the polls, wait till the crisis, then lead from behind.

[Raider Ronnie]

I think Obama is due for another Nobel Peace prize !
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[Fly Rod]

More likely the, " Gold Fickle Finger Award."....remember, "Laugh In?"

[FishermanTim]

The "Fickle Finger of Fate" award.

If he wins an award, it will be an award for his actions (or more accurately his INACTIONS) that helped the Islamic extremists gain power across the globe!

[JohnR]

Really interesting article to read:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...foreign_policy

You're still a superpower,"

a top diplomat from one of America's most dependable Middle Eastern allies said to me in July of this year, "but you no longer know how to act like one."

He was reflecting on America's position in the world almost halfway into President Barack Obama's second term. Fresh in his mind was the extraordinary string of errors (schizophrenic Egypt policy, bipolar Syria policy), missteps (zero Libya post-intervention strategy, alienation of allies in the Middle East and elsewhere), scandals (spying on Americans, spying on friends), halfway measures (pinprick sanctions against Russia, lecture series to Central Americans on the border crisis), unfulfilled promises (Cairo speech, pivot to Asia), and outright policy failures (the double-down then get-out approach in Afghanistan, the shortsighted Iraq exit strategy).

The diplomat with whom I was speaking is a thoughtful man. He knew well that not all of these problems are the result of the blunders of a single really bad year or the fault of any one president. The reality is that any president's foreign policy record depends heavily on luck, external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

Read it all.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Really interesting article to read:


The reality is that any president's foreign policy record depends heavily on luck, external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

Read it all.

The reality is that any president's domestic policy record depends heavily on luck, internal and external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

The reality is that any president's economic policy record depends heavily on luck, internal and external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.



we really don't even need a president if this is the standard, he should be encouraged to spend the next two years vacationing and golfing, fund raising as pretty much everything he struggles with is "inherited and beyond his control" or "luck"


love "top diplomat speak"

[detbuch]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
Really interesting article to read:


The reality is that any president's foreign policy record depends heavily on luck, external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

Read it all.

Originally Posted by scottw

The reality is that any president's domestic policy record depends heavily on luck, internal and external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

The reality is that any president's economic policy record depends heavily on luck, internal and external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.



we really don't even need a president if this is the standard, he should be encouraged to spend the next two years vacationing and golfing, fund raising as pretty much everything he struggles with is "inherited and beyond his control" or "luck"


love "top diplomat speak"

Exactly, under the progressive system of government we don't need a president. That office is merely a leftover appendage of the old constitutional order. This "new" and improved system only requires that some ruling class of expert bureaucrats and regulators run the country, and our lives, through their more advanced expertise. How they get their office is irrelevant, especially since they are already in position and can appoint their successors, again, by the superior wisdom of their expert wisdom.

But, for the sake of appearance to appease us backward types who still cling not only to guns and bibles, but to some antiquated mode of elections, democracy, rule of law, and such cumbersome stuff, we must go through with the silly old process. But after the dust settles, the rulers, after pretend battles over legislation or appointments, always wind up agreeing to maintain and expand the progressive system over the constitutional one.

And as for the president's apparent lack of culpability in matters of foreign, domestic, and economic policy and performance--that perfectly fits the evolved progressive mantra that personal responsibility is not possible in the new age. As Obama said--you didn't do that. Somebody else did. You inherited your challenges and your luck, and they are beyond your control. Ultimately, it requires the collective (guided by its ruling class of experts) to solve problems and create possibilities.

On the other hand, John, your article did make some good points. Albeit within the Spencerian context of bureaucratic machinations beyond the reach and control of us simple and rather irrelevant, helpless individual citizens.

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
Really interesting article to read:


The reality is that any president's foreign policy record depends heavily on luck, external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.

Read it all.




Exactly, under the progressive system of government we don't need a president. That office is merely a leftover appendage of the old constitutional order. This "new" and improved system only requires that some ruling class of expert bureaucrats and regulators run the country, and our lives, through their more advanced expertise. How they get their office is irrelevant, especially since they are already in position and can appoint their successors, again, by the superior wisdom of their expert wisdom.

But, for the sake of appearance to appease us backward types who still cling not only to guns and bibles, but to some antiquated mode of elections, democracy, rule of law, and such cumbersome stuff, we must go through with the silly old process. But after the dust settles, the rulers, after pretend battles over legislation or appointments, always wind up agreeing to maintain and expand the progressive system over the constitutional one.

And as for the president's apparent lack of culpability in matters of foreign, domestic, and economic policy and performance--that perfectly fits the evolved progressive mantra that personal responsibility is not possible in the new age. As Obama said--you didn't do that. Somebody else did. You inherited your challenges and your luck, and they are beyond your control. Ultimately, it requires the collective (guided by its ruling class of experts) to solve problems and create possibilities.

On the other hand, John, your article did make some good points. Albeit within the Spencerian context of bureaucratic machinations beyond the reach and control of us simple and rather irrelevant, helpless individual citizens.

Detbuch, I think you describe the National Socialist party perfectly.

Missed the whole thing, I was out trying to learn better ways to make things to sell to people.
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