Latest Protests

[JohnR]

Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump.

Before everyone calls out Rassist, "protesting" via rioting and causing injury to others and law enforcement are not going to enamor most people with the plight of the protestors, even the legitimate and positive people. There will be a lot of people from across the political spectrum that will vote for law and order (regardless of how bad the law and order candidate is) over lawlessness in their city or town.

[ecduzitgood]

It really is getting out of control and I fear bloodshed before this country can become whole again.
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[buckman]

It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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A president who wasn't a radical liberal, would have done that long ago. This is a guy who aligned himself with Bill Ayers, who was close with Rev Wright, and therefore likely thinks the rioters are correct to be deathly afraid of all white cops.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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Refresh my memory, how many race riots did we have in this country during the Bush presidency? We still had white cops then, right?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We still had white cops then, right?

Doesn't need to be a White Cop....

This was a Black cop that shot a Black man, as confirmed by the Black Chief of Police.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Doesn't need to be a White Cop....

This was a Black cop that shot a Black man, as confirmed by the Black Chief of Police.

Correct again!

In better news, you might like to know that I signed my first grader up for cub scouts, Tiger Den I think. First trip is coming up, an overnighter on a battleship in Fall River. He and I are both excited to be starting what I hope will be a journey as rewarding as I assume yours was with your son. I always liked hearing how involved you were.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Correct again!

In better news, you might like to know that I signed my first grader up for cub scouts, Tiger Den I think. First trip is coming up, an overnighter on a battleship in Fall River. He and I are both excited to be starting what I hope will be a journey as rewarding as I assume yours was with your son. I always liked hearing how involved you were.

The USS Massachusetts....best overnighter we did in Cub Scouts. You will have a blast.

just get involved and enjoy the ride....its a lot of fun....gives you an excuse to be a kid again.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump.

Before everyone calls out Rassist, "protesting" via rioting and causing injury to others and law enforcement are not going to enamor most people with the plight of the protestors, even the legitimate and positive people. There will be a lot of people from across the political spectrum that will vote for law and order (regardless of how bad the law and order candidate is) over lawlessness in their city or town.

"Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump."

BINGO. Brilliant observation. For this to happen in a key swing state like NC, is (politically speaking, set aside the human suffering for a moment) a gift from God to Trump - if he is cunning enough to take full advantage, which he may well not be. If it plays out, as it appears it will, that the cop did nothing wrong, people in NC are going to be pissed that feral liberal anarchy did this to their state capital. This isn't CT or California. NC is a different brand of vodka, and outside Charlotte, this isn't going to help the candidate who kisses Al Sharpton's ring.

If I'm Trump, I show endless commercials in NC of Hilary kissing Sharpton's keyster.

[buckman]

Whew ....thank God we did away with the Confederate flag
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[The Dad Fisherman]

you seem to be the one keeping the Birther movement alive and well.

I haven't heard anyone bring that up in years.

Those surveys you are referencing....how old are they?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

you seem to be the one keeping the Birther movement alive and well.

I haven't heard anyone bring that up in years.

Those surveys you are referencing....how old are they?

I thought that Trump just mentioned it?

Didn't he?

So all those feelings Pres. Obama was a Muslim and was born in Kenya went away?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Let me clarify...

Why do YOU keep bringing up the birther movement HERE? I haven't seen anyone bring that up HERE in years.

[scottw]

nobody cares anymore...everyone knows he was born in Kenya, this is what happens when you don't protect your borders

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

nobody cares anymore...everyone knows he was born in Kenya, this is what happens when you don't protect your borders

See, THAT'S Sarcasm (I Hope)

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

See, THAT'S Sarcasm (I Hope)

indeed....sarcasm is when you are almost laughing too hard to hit "submit reply"

[DZ]

Paul - I don't know - I always thought the birther issue was a crock.

But to get back to race relations - Obama has been the CIC for 8 years. When you're the boss man you bear responsibility for everything that happens on your watch - both the good AND the bad. He's quick to take credit... but slow on admitting or taking blame for failed policy. He had a chance to improve things for the race - hasn't done enough IMO.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Let me clarify...

Why do YOU keep bringing up the birther movement HERE? I haven't seen anyone bring that up HERE in years.

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

a) Wayne said we're supposed to talk about the future not the past because that's what "progressives" do, lean us forward to the future rather than drag us back to the past where the conservatives would like us to go as soon as possible so that they can enjoy slavery and stuff once again...

b) Hillary's sniper controversy should never be brought up again...hear that JIM!?!.....nobody will ever care other than to lament that she was not shot down

c)where 50% ( I question this but whatever) of republicans think Bummer was born has absolutely nothing to do with the current racial climate...and remember...Bummer is only 50% black so you need to divide everything by two

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

OK, I'll give you a Touché on this...

so why do you think it has a huge amount to do with the Racial Climate?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

OK, I'll give you a Touché on this...

So we been reduced to trying to touche each other.

so why do you think it has a huge amount to do with the Racial Climate?

Prob. need a face to face rather than a 30 sec. blurb here.

I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres. It unearthed racist sentiments where they felt free to voice them in a way w/o using language they knew was inappropriate. So the birther and a black Pres. also brought forth a feeling obo Blacks that they are not going to take it any more. So they protest (and the scummy/liberal ones riot). Blacks feel discriminated against and now even (as in Charlotte) you might have a "legitamate" shooting but they don't see it that way. You and I will never know what it is like to be black.

here is something I just read. A little hard to read bc the author added their own comments.

One of Donald Trump's Ohio campaign chairs has a very unique, revisionist view of American history that she is proudly sharing with the world.

Mahoning County campaign chair Kathy Miller, who is white, told the Guardian that there was "no racism" in the 1960s and if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

"If you're black and you haven't been successful in the last 50 years, it's your own fault. You've had every opportunity, it was given to you," she told the Guardian.

"Growing up as a kid [in the 1960s], there was no racism," Miller adds. "... I never experienced it."


Ah, yes. Much like gravity, ultraviolet light and dark matter, racism doesn't exist unless you can see it with your own eyes.

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ..." Miller says. "Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and I think that's the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America."

She doubles down by adding that black children "had the same schools as everyone else" (false), extra benefits to go to college that "white kids didn't have" (gross oversimplification of affirmative action), and that lower turnout among black voters is due to "the way they're raised" (voter turnout in Ohio in the last two presidential elections was higher among black voters than white ones).

"When do they take responsibility for how they live?" Miller demands.

The video is worth watching if only for the expression on the face of the poor interviewer, who at one point nicely asks Miller if some might find her comments offensive.

"I don't care," Miller says. "It's the truth."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Prob. need a face to face rather than a 30 sec. blurb here.

I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres. It unearthed racist sentiments where they felt free to voice them in a way w/o using language they knew was inappropriate. So the birther and a black Pres. also brought forth a feeling obo Blacks that they are not going to take it any more. So they protest (and the scummy/liberal ones riot). Blacks feel discriminated against and now even (as in Charlotte) you might have a "legitamate" shooting but they don't see it that way.

here is something I just read. A little hard to read bc the author added their own comments.

One of Donald Trump's Ohio campaign chairs has a very unique, revisionist view of American history that she is proudly sharing with the world.

Mahoning County campaign chair Kathy Miller, who is white, told the Guardian that there was "no racism" in the 1960s and if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

"If you're black and you haven't been successful in the last 50 years, it's your own fault. You've had every opportunity, it was given to you," she told the Guardian.

"Growing up as a kid [in the 1960s], there was no racism," Miller adds. "... I never experienced it."


Ah, yes. Much like gravity, ultraviolet light and dark matter, racism doesn't exist unless you can see it with your own eyes.

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ..." Miller says. "Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and I think that's the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America."

She doubles down by adding that black children "had the same schools as everyone else" (false), extra benefits to go to college that "white kids didn't have" (gross oversimplification of affirmative action), and that lower turnout among black voters is due to "the way they're raised" (voter turnout in Ohio in the last two presidential elections was higher among black voters than white ones).

"When do they take responsibility for how they live?" Miller demands.

The video is worth watching if only for the expression on the face of the poor interviewer, who at one point nicely asks Miller if some might find her comments offensive.

"I don't care," Miller says. "It's the truth."

"I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres"

Agreed. But the attempt was limited to a small fringe. And for a long time, Obama refused to release his long form birth certificate. He could have ended this sooner, had he been more forthcoming.

"So they protest "

You are speculating that they are protesting, at least in part, in retaliation to birthers. Problem is, none of the protesters are saying that. They are all saying that they are protesting police oppression.

If you can support your speculation that the riots are connected to birther claims, please share.

"if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

For the most part, I agree with that.

The opportunities here are endless. The black culture, at least for blacks born in this country, hasn't embraced those opportunities yet. They have instead embraced the victimhood status that liberals shove down their throats.

Paul, how come there are so many stories of immigrants from other countries (especially Asians) coming here with zip, and in one generation, their kids are doctors? Is the system rigged in favor of Asian immigrants moreso than blacks who are here already? Those immigrants work their fingers to the bone, because they wholeheartedly, passionately embrace the idea of opportunity.

Blacks who do the right things (stay in school, work hard, present themselves well, get married before having kids) do well. Whites who make stupid decisions (drop out of high school, do drugs, wear their pants down by their ankles) struggle. It's not about race. It's about the choices you make.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

Why should 50% of Republicans believing Obama was born in Kenya create a racial climate? Is Kenyan a race? Wasn't the birther movement about constitutional qualification to be President? Wasn't the notion that it was about race intentionally cast that way by Democrats and leftists and Progressives? Weren't they trying to solidify and stir up their "base" by painting the movement as being "racist"?

Anyway, Paul, you above all others should know that the hateful racial climate with its violent protests is all about having "anger issues."

[buckman]

I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

"White people riot all the time,"

Conservative white people?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"White people riot all the time,"

Conservative white people?

Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Please share some news stories.

And if it helps you, I am sure...conservatives don't have a habit of rioting every time they don't get their way. That's a liberal tactic.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Can you give us a link , news paper clipping or something . You might be having a Hillary moment ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

As we all know, college campuses are hotbeds of radical conservatism.