Is this the Place?

[Backbeach Jake]

Like minds...
Reminds me I gotta go shovel..snow. And get to the JakeCave. Catch you later and thanks for today's lessons..

[mfm22]

George looks like you have a nice start to the "lipless" .
where did you get ideas on proto ? what type of wood?

I just turned some musso 6" swimmers and some spin's . Started to make a few BM Schoolie's. Not sure of their fish catching ability ?
That lipless has peaked my curiosity along with your predator knockoffs

[Diggin Jiggin]

Originally Posted by Tagger

all on the bandsaw Dave ,, no table saw ..try it .. hold your sled flat on the table ,,cut beak,slope,, everything .. key is your blank firmly in sled,,then its just along for the ride

Thats a good idea Eddie. I'll have to try that.

[eastendlu]

Morning all i have been off all week and forgot what day it was.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I've got BS all over the place, but it doesn't help. Does that mean I need a new bandsaw?

What bandsaw do you have as it might just need some tuning.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by eastendlu

What bandsaw do you have as it might just need some tuning.

You're still asleep. That was tongue in cheek. I've got a Rockwell 14" (not to mention an ancient 20" Porter Cable in pieces), it could use some tuning (new tires), but everything else is set right. Even with high tension on a high count skip tooth blade (dressed with a stone and running in cool blocks) I don't get smooth enough cuts in maple to avoid sanding.

Eddy has a little bench top delta (I think) with a very thin kerf blade and very high speed. Does a better job for most plug building chores than my real saw. If I had someplace to put it I'd buy one just to do lip slots.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Paul .. That horizontal hole you drilled side to side in your spook,, Is that below the center of the plug .. Thanks .. can't tell from pic .. looks like thru wire is towards top of hole ..

G.

right thru on center and redrill lead after. The Youzuri had a round ball like a 00 buckshot and was on center. I have not put one below center but might be worth a shot. I also put a belly weight right directly below the horizontal weight too but to be honest i can tell which one it is as I made several last year and hid the darn weights so well i couldn't tell which was which so i disassembled the ones that i used that i liked and found out where the weight was but have not found the one with the belly and thu weight yet. I may not have swam it last year. I now don't try to be too fussy with belly weights so i can tell what I did.

[ProfessorM]

I am just getting started in darter hell. Will be making fixture's this week hopefully. I am going to do the first part on the table saw as G. convinced me last week when he stopped by. To me this is the most fun part.

[eastendlu]

Making jigs sometimes (dare i say it) is more fun than making the plug itself.George i am now awake.One of these days i have to get over to your place would love to tinker with some of your older tools.I just got my overtime back so maybe i can get some toys done for some of you guys for plugfest.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Eddy has a little bench top delta (I think) with a very thin kerf blade and very high speed. Does a better job for most plug building chores than my real saw. If I had someplace to put it I'd buy one just to do lip slots.

Thats true ,, little Delta is pissa ($100.00)... I have a larger floor model Delta brandy new I rarely use ,, Its got the power but the speed on the little bench model does a better job .

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

I am just getting started in darter hell. Will be making fixture's this week hopefully. I am going to do the first part on the table saw as G. convinced me last week when he stopped by. To me this is the most fun part.

If i was making a jig to do it on a table saw I'd make it larger than it has to be . Cutting little pieces on a table saw is sketchy imho..

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Good morning. Gets later and later each week.

Woody, in my experience decent bass like big lazy slow spooks more than the splashy faster kind. Hard to make yourself work them slow, however, particularly when things are slow and you are searching (same issue arises with swimmers).

Got a big thrill out of F Pintauro's articles about Musso. 2 weeks ago Back Beach was telling me how the "Musso" eely was such a great lure for him at the Race years back. I told him the only eelys I knew of were the BM and Pichney (a style plug I fished years ago a bit but left me underwhelmed). Also they are forward weighted and don't look like fast water plugs to me, so I was surprised (and a little skeptical) they were a hot item at the Race. Accordingly my eyes popped out when lo and behold there is a picture of one in Frank's article. That and a Musso bottle darter, and some lipless swimmers.
Certainly got the juices flowing. Here are some prototypes (next to a copy of a musso pine sr).

I figured folks would like the Musso articles- I sure got a woodie from them. Those, along with the work you and Paul do have me chomping at the bit to get into the shop.

Tried today, but could not what I intended for the Penn State duplicator I received for Xmas isn't going to work out for me. I'd have to make 1/16" thick (THIN!) templates, thus involving metal work, or cut originals in half lengthwise in order to use it. NOT and NOT! Going to return it and buck up for the Vega.

Thinking about a little 1.5oz. Surface Torpedo, like the ones pictured in one article.

Keep up the inspiring work,
W

[Karl F]

Woody..
do a home made dupi...
ala fishbumwannabe, or Prof. M's version....
think you will be pleased with that one the most.

do a search for home made duplicator...

[ProfessorM]

Yes Karl I am still using mine and I have a Vega and it has never been hooked up. For the type of runs I do, 30 would be a max per plug,mostly 5 or 10 it works great and it is kind of old school which I like too. Hell my lathe is probably older than Capesams

[Karl F]

couple shots of the dup and one getting started

[Karl F]

roughing/rounding it out with the gouge, using the dup as a the guide,
then getting started with the dup cutter...

[Karl F]

done...
then move on to "orienting" Eddy... cut lip slots, then drilling..

but... 25 danny bodies, turned with the homemade rig.. about an hour and 40 minutes tops I'd guess...

Tain';t booger speed...but for cellar dwellin sawdust sniffers, that ain;'t bad!

[Karl F]

if my memory serves me right...this may be the same 25 done..

been 4 or 5 years since i took them pics...so.. i think i grabbed them from the right file...

[go4broke44]

in regards to dip priming, I do this as well. 50/50 mix Zinsser shellac based (red label?) and denatured alcohol I believe. a little 220 grit to finish and its good to go.

[Striperknight]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

I figured folks would like the Musso articles- I sure got a woodie from them. Those, along with the work you and Paul do have me chomping at the bit to get into the shop.

Tried today, but could not what I intended for the Penn State duplicator I received for Xmas isn't going to work out for me. I'd have to make 1/16" thick (THIN!) templates, thus involving metal work, or cut originals in half lengthwise in order to use it. NOT and NOT! Going to return it and buck up for the Vega.

Thinking about a little 1.5oz. Surface Torpedo, like the ones pictured in one article.

Keep up the inspiring work,
W

I have this duplicator and it works great. I make my templates out of wood. I'm all for keeping it simple.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Good morning. Gets later and later each week.

Woody, in my experience decent bass like big lazy slow spooks more than the splashy faster kind. Hard to make yourself work them slow, however, particularly when things are slow and you are searching (same issue arises with swimmers).

Got a big thrill out of F Pintauro's articles about Musso. 2 weeks ago Back Beach was telling me how the "Musso" eely was such a great lure for him at the Race years back. I told him the only eelys I knew of were the BM and Pichney (a style plug I fished years ago a bit but left me underwhelmed). Also they are forward weighted and don't look like fast water plugs to me, so I was surprised (and a little skeptical) they were a hot item at the Race. Accordingly my eyes popped out when lo and behold there is a picture of one in Frank's article. That and a Musso bottle darter, and some lipless swimmers.
Certainly got the juices flowing. Here are some prototypes (next to a copy of a musso pine sr).

That Musso bottle darter is a dead ringer for a plug I finally got nailed this fall. Just goes to show... aint nothing new.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

That Musso bottle darter is a dead ringer for a plug I finally got nailed this fall. Just goes to show... aint nothing new.

Yep, just another Italian who was well ahead of his time...

Columbo(Columbus) found this place we live...

Corleone was the modern day father of capitalism..

Balboa beat the Russians...

[pbadad]

Originally Posted by go4broke44

in regards to dip priming, I do this as well. 50/50 mix Zinsser shellac based (red label?) and denatured alcohol I believe. a little 220 grit to finish and its good to go.

Thanks for the reply. I just finished priming around 50. I did 2 coats on one batch then 1 coat on another. I think 2 coats add a xtra layer to cover grain. Do you dip 1 or 2 coats?

[numbskull]

And some Italian from Franklin invented the wetsuit potato

[Backbeach Jake]

funny..

[Jigman]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

...Tried today, but could not what I intended for the Penn State duplicator I received for Xmas isn't going to work out for me. I'd have to make 1/16" thick (THIN!) templates, thus involving metal work, or cut originals in half lengthwise in order to use it. NOT and NOT! Going to return it and buck up for the Vega....

I started with that dup years ago. Worked out fine for me. Only upgraded when I started doing larger runs of plugs. Like Striperknight suggested, make the templates out of wood. I drew the profile of the plug on a piece of 1/2 inch pine shelving. Cut out the profile, sand it smooth, and then attach to the dup with two sided tape. You'll likely have to make a few adjustments to the dup to get it lined up right. Once you've done it a few times its pretty easy to set up and remove or switch templates.

Jigman

[go4broke44]

Originally Posted by pbadad

Thanks for the reply. I just finished priming around 50. I did 2 coats on one batch then 1 coat on another. I think 2 coats add a xtra layer to cover grain. Do you dip 1 or 2 coats?

depends on the grain of whatever wood I'm using, usually ayc, cherry, etc is just one coat. if I'm using mahogany for instance, I might dip, sand, and dip again.

[pbadad]

I found that out with the grain in the wood. I did 2 looks good. I colored the primer w/ lamp black for a dark gray. 1 coat covers better. Thanks for the input.

[go4broke44]

speaking of dipping, I found this can of some black exterior oil based super paint and figured I'd try dipping a plug in it just to see how it worked. No sealing, no clear or primer, just the paint.

did a 40 made from ayc I think, took over a week to dry guess I should have thinned it. Finish has held up pretty good though.

[WoodyCT]

I've found that having a thick layer of soft primer (like Cover Stain) under paint can result in the paint actually breaking away from the primer.

Ever see the paint and epoxy come off leaving the primer on the wood after dinging rocks?