Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

[wdmso]

Of course Jim is ignoring all of January in Trumps total. Even if Biden wasn’t in office

according to OurWorldInData, which relies on Johns Hopkins University figures, cumulative deaths stood at 412,892 as of January 20, still significantly more than the 393,547 recorded under Biden through to December 19.

Omg say it ain’t so Actually people did the math

And yes this count will go up over the next 3 years if The unvaccinated
Remain
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Of course Jim is ignoring all of January in Trumps total. Even if Biden wasn’t in office

according to OurWorldInData, which relies on Johns Hopkins University figures, cumulative deaths stood at 412,892 as of January 20, still significantly more than the 393,547 recorded under Biden through to December 19.

Omg say it ain’t so Actually people did the math

And yes this count will go up over the next 3 years if The unvaccinated
Remain
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When Biden has been in for a year, post what the deaths were for Trumps year and Bidens year.

Biden had significant advantages that Trump obviously didn't have. For most of Trumps year, there was no vaccine. By the time Biden got sworn in, we were vaccinating a million people a day. Plus, supposedly, Biden is a lot smarter, right? Plus, we had a year of experience that Trump didn't have the benefit of. Is any of that wrong?

Wayne, if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show? Shouldn't there be a lot less deaths after a year of Biden's superior abilities?

What can you point to, that would indicate that Biden is beating covid?

[Got Stripers]

Jim you are such a tool, I come hear now for the humor watching you flail away with each endless crusade you start and so I can occasionally poke fun. Hey speaking of religion, which I know your all over, the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated. OMG what a dilemma for the faithful who have to date bought into the anti vaccine nonsense.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim you are such a tool, I come hear now for the humor watching you flail away with each endless crusade you start and so I can occasionally poke fun. Hey speaking of religion, which I know your all over, the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated. OMG what a dilemma for the faithful who have to date bought into the anti vaccine nonsense.

"the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated"

Me, my wife, and kids are fully vaccinated. I've never, ever spoke against vaccines here. I don't understand why people aren't getting vaccinated. (Though with omicron and likely with future variants, the vaccines will likely be less crucial as it becomes even less deadly)

It's interesting, none of you libs here could comment on the low black vaccination rate, not one of you (either Wayne or Pete brilliantly suggested they were all black Republicans, THAT was hilarious). But you are all over conservative demographics with low vaccine rates. Why is that?

Are unvaccinated liberals less dangerous than unvaccinated conservatives? One would think so, based on how selective you all are about who you criticize for being unvaccinated, and who you give a pass to for being unvaccinated.

If you think you have ever made me "flail away", you are flattering yourself. All you can do is lob baseless insults, because I'm honest and thoughtful and can praise and criticize either side as facts warrant. Yes you've really got me on the ropes.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When Biden has been in for a year, post what the deaths were for Trumps year and Bidens year.

Biden had significant advantages that Trump obviously didn't have. For most of Trumps year, there was no vaccine. By the time Biden got sworn in, we were vaccinating a million people a day. Plus, supposedly, Biden is a lot smarter, right? Plus, we had a year of experience that Trump didn't have the benefit of. Is any of that wrong?

Wayne, if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show? Shouldn't there be a lot less deaths after a year of Biden's superior abilities?

What can you point to, that would indicate that Biden is beating covid?

Why do you keep re asking the same questions over and over after the responses have been made and backed by actual data and events

What do you thinks is going to change

So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives . same with masks promotion vaccines and booster

All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated and GOP messaging you insist isn’t happening
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated"

Me, my wife, and kids are fully vaccinated. I've never, ever spoke against vaccines here. I don't understand why people aren't getting vaccinated. (Though with omicron and likely with future variants, the vaccines will likely be less crucial as it becomes even less deadly)

It's interesting, none of you libs here could comment on the low black vaccination rate, not one of you (either Wayne or Pete brilliantly suggested they were all black Republicans, THAT was hilarious). But you are all over conservative demographics with low vaccine rates. Why is that?

Are unvaccinated liberals less dangerous than unvaccinated conservatives? One would think so, based on how selective you all are about who you criticize for being unvaccinated, and who you give a pass to for being unvaccinated.

If you think you have ever made me "flail away", you are flattering yourself. All you can do is lob baseless insults, because I'm honest and thoughtful and can praise and criticize either side as facts warrant. Yes you've really got me on the ropes.

The lefties are good at resorting to a sort of secular situational ethics that create a scenario or proposition that appears to be reasonable but actually contradicts or disregards a claim they've made in another situation.

For instance, re this thread, they go on and on about how lousy our health care is compared to other advanced countries, and how that depresses the overall health of the people of this nation. Yet, when they constantly posted statistics, week after week in 2020 that showed how Covid caused more deaths in the U.S., they disregarded all the differentiating demographic factors between us and the other advanced countries, including their own mantra about the relatively poor health of Americans, and blamed it all on Trump. Even though it was well known that dying of Covid was mostly a result of co-morbidity. The very co-morbidities that they claimed were disproportionately due to what they claimed was our poor health care system.

They conveniently forget about previous claims in other situations in order to advance an agenda in another situation. When it was pointed out in 2020 that the number of covid deaths was being inflated because hospitals were attributing all deaths to Covid even if patients were admitted for other reasons, it was sternly rebutted as being somehow insignificant. It didn't matter because even if the patient died of a heart attack, that might not have happened at that time if the patient didn't also have covid.

But now, Trump is gone, so we can probably admit, or even tamp down, the number of deaths due to Covid. We now can recognize the difference in dying "with" covid from dying "of" Covid.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Why do you keep re asking the same questions over and over after the responses have been made and backed by actual data and events

What do you thinks is going to change

So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives . same with masks promotion vaccines and booster

All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated and GOP messaging you insist isn’t happening
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That's a brand new question (never posted before), here it is again...

"if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show?"

"So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives"

Never came close to saying that. I'm certain they have saved lives. What I was talking about, was the constitutionality.

It would also save lives if the president mandated that people eat a plant based dies and walked 5 miles a day. That would save countless lives. But it would be unconstitutional.

Why do you keep claiming I said something, which I never even came close to saying? Is it because you can't respond to what I am sayong?

"All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated"

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

We now can recognize the difference in dying "with" covid from dying "of" Covid.

Not quite yet, because the democrats are horrified at the prospect of what is looming come November. So until then at least, covid is worse than Ebola, and Trumps policies and his followers are the only thing preventing us from eradicating covid.

Personally I'm still anxiously awaiting the eradication of cancer, which Biden explicitly promised. We lost my wifes mom to cancer in May, so that cure he promised really would have been nice to have at that time.

[Got Stripers]

Jim maybe this post from a nurses perspective today will explain to you why everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started. But in your pea brain reasoning because Biden came into office with a new vaccine and in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control, that like magic (only if Trump won right) it would go away. This of course won’t fit into your narrative, but you will of course retort with, hey haven’t I always said this and haven’t I always said that; OMG you are THE most predictable and pathetic person posting on this board.

From a nurse’s eyes

I’ve been surrounded by a lot of different views of the global pandemic. I am entirely full of anger; I’ll do my best to keep all the emotions I’m personally dealing with out of these experiences and thoughts I’m about to share.

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were all scared. We didn’t know what this virus was. We didn’t know how it would affect our lives. I vividly remember the first case we thought we had in our ICU because the chest x-ray read “ground glass opacities.” We didn’t know how to protect ourselves. But time went on. Research was done as quickly as possible to figure out if it was spread via aerosolized particles, droplets, or if it was airborne. Protocols changed quickly within the hospital. Wear a mask, wear an N95… now add eye protection. Now you don’t need an N95 unless your patient is on the bipap or ventilator. Oh but now you only need an N95 if your ventilated patient has gotten an aerosolized treatment or their circuit has broken within the last 69 minutes. Things changed so rapidly because we were learning and gaining new information so quickly, while also trying to preserve resources- we weren’t prepared for this.

Now we’ve been going through this for nearly 19 months. We’ve got more N95s, more PPE, and by December 2020, we were vaccinating healthcare workers, first responders, and high risk patients. Now, you’re information overloaded. Overwhelmed by numbers, statistics, graphics of how many patients are in each hospital, and how many are covid and unvaccinated. You watch the news, you see restrictions implemented in attempts to keep others from being infected. Some see these numbers and graphics showing covid data and think we’re “trying to push an agenda.” But there’s so much more you don’t see. There’s such a limited view into the hospitals. You don’t see nurses sharing their stories, because we protect our patients’ privacy. But more and more, I’m realizing it might be our experiences that speak louder than numbers.

We do everything we can for our patients. Many patients come in short of breath, with low oxygen readings, we put them on oxygen, start medications including antivirals and steroids. But then that oxygen and medication isn’t enough. We keep turning the oxygen up, and up, and up, until we get to the point they have to wear a mask that forces air into their lungs. Soon, even that is not enough. They need to be intubated.

So Emily, RN, our charge nurse for the day, calls their family and tells them we can’t keep their oxygen up and it’s time to be intubated.

Caroline, RN hurries to the med room to grab medications to sedate and paralyze them so that our pulmonologist can intubate safely and quickly. Jessica, our respiratory therapist, grabs her RT friend Salina and they wheel in the ventilator.

Everyone dons their PPE and is ready at the patient’s bedside. Caroline pushes meds, RT handles the airway and tools necessary for intubation. Our pulmonologist intubates them. Angie, our rapid response nurse, records the events from just outside the room with the phone on speaker so she can hear inside.

After successful intubation, we put in a foley catheter, a nasogastric tube (tube in your nose or mouth down to your stomach so we can give you medications and nutrition). We get x-rays and labs. We start continuous sedation so the patient can comfortably tolerate the tube in their mouth that is anchored by a balloon in the trachea. The ventilator settings are immediately increased. When 100% oxygen isn’t keeping their oxygen levels up, we increase the pressure so that their lungs are kept open and hope for better oxygenation. Emily and Caroline hold their hand and watch the monitor hoping for their oxygen to get above 88%. When it doesn’t, the pulmonologist tells us to start the paralytic medication and flip them onto their stomach and hope that gravity helps recruit more of their lungs to oxygenate. Prone therapy is working and we are so glad to get their oxygen up into the 90s. We do this for four or five days. They’re not getting better and their blood pressure starts to drop. We start medications for this. It’s not working… their kidneys start to shut down, we start continuous dialysis.

Family comes and hangs onto every piece of hope we can offer. Each 5% decrease in the patient’s oxygen needs is a win. But it’s becoming more and more clear they won’t make it. We talk to their family- we talk about quality of life and what the patient would’ve wanted if we’d exhausted every life saving option. Their family knows they won’t want to live like this; they’ve come to realize they won’t get better. So a decision is made to turn our care from aggressive treatment to making the patient as comfortable as possible in their last hours.

Just a couple days ago, Emmy found herself taking care of Henry (name changed to protect privacy). Covid positive, unvaccinated just because he hadn’t had the time. On the ventilator, 100% oxygen. We’d tried everything. Prone, antivirals, steroids- all of it. But it was obvious he wasn’t going to recover from this. So his family came in and said their goodbyes and made the decision to make him comfortable. The family was appreciative of our care for Henry, but didn’t want to stay with him as he passed away. Respiratory therapy extubated him. Emmy, Emily, and I did what we could to make him comfortable with the morphine and ativan. Emmy held one hand, Emily had the other. I messaged the doctor back and forth to make sure we had what we needed for Henry as he took his last breaths. We stood at Henry’s bedside for minutes. We watched him take a few gasping breaths, we held his hand and turned his pillows. We made sure he wasn’t in pain. Emily and I watched tears slide down Emmy’s face and into her N95. Five minutes later, the monitor read asystole. No heartbeat. No breathing.

Henry was one of too many. Just this yesterday, we lost our patient Penny. Over the months, we’ve lost Gary, Joe, Tommy, Susan, Paulette, Chris, Carry, Richard, and so many more. (Names changed to protect privacy.)

People come to their own conclusions looking at the numbers and survival rates and brush it off. It’s not likely to affect them, so they don’t think too hard about it. Or, maybe it is too much information to process. But from my point of view, I see Henry, Susan, and Joe who didn’t deserve this.

We are so tired. Exhausted. Mentally and emotionally undone…. because we don’t see numbers. I see my patients and their family members. I see the grief and share it with them. Now, there’s a vaccine, which makes this virus preventable and/or so much more mild that patients wouldn’t need the hospital if they did get it. Some of my closest family members continue to decline to get the vaccine and I’m so frustrated and tired and angry.

I am a nurse and I will take care of my patients and be the best advocate no matter who you are or any choices you’ve made… but there’s a way to help, and that way is masking and getting the vaccine. Help us so that maybe we won’t be the one to hold your loved ones hand while they pass away. It’s an honor to be that person for these patients, but right now, it doesn’t have to be this way.

And maybe it’s not only my stories that the community needs to hear. They need to hear the stories of Kat, Sarah, Kellen, Crystal, Paige, Daniela, Katie, Kelsie, Jamie, Haley, Taylor, Sheryl, Natalie, Bre, Matt, and so many more taking care of our community during covid.

Emmy is a CIC nurse taking care of covid patients every day.

“I have participated in a minimum of 2 deaths per day in the last nine days. And one day there were five. In some of these cases, it’s not the doctor having the conversations with the families, it’s me. And somehow I’m the last person they’ll ever speak to while also being the person to listen to their heart beat the last time and tell their wife or husband “they’re gone.” Somehow I’m crying and grieving a person I never knew. Shouting in a dirty utility room. Putting myself in time out so I can walk into the next room while others live comfortably unaware.”

-Emmy, CICU RN

Conversations we have with our patients:

“Hi, my name is Emily, I’m one of the nurses caring for you. Here in a minute there are going to be a lot of people coming to your room. Your oxygen is not staying high enough anymore.”

“No honey, there’s nothing more you can do.”

“If we wait any longer, it will become an emergency and it’s better to do it now while you’re safe.”

“I’m so sorry, we can’t wait for your wife to come. There is no more time.”

“I can’t say how long you will need this.”

“I promise to do everything I can.”

“I’ll tell them you love them.”

And repeat.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim maybe this post from a nurses perspective today will explain to you why everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started. But in your pea brain reasoning because Biden came into office with a new vaccine and in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control, that like magic (only if Trump won right) it would go away. This of course won’t fit into your narrative, but you will of course retort with, hey haven’t I always said this and haven’t I always said that; OMG you are THE most predictable and pathetic person posting on this board.

From a nurse’s eyes

I’ve been surrounded by a lot of different views of the global pandemic. I am entirely full of anger; I’ll do my best to keep all the emotions I’m personally dealing with out of these experiences and thoughts I’m about to share.

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were all scared. We didn’t know what this virus was. We didn’t know how it would affect our lives. I vividly remember the first case we thought we had in our ICU because the chest x-ray read “ground glass opacities.” We didn’t know how to protect ourselves. But time went on. Research was done as quickly as possible to figure out if it was spread via aerosolized particles, droplets, or if it was airborne. Protocols changed quickly within the hospital. Wear a mask, wear an N95… now add eye protection. Now you don’t need an N95 unless your patient is on the bipap or ventilator. Oh but now you only need an N95 if your ventilated patient has gotten an aerosolized treatment or their circuit has broken within the last 69 minutes. Things changed so rapidly because we were learning and gaining new information so quickly, while also trying to preserve resources- we weren’t prepared for this.

Now we’ve been going through this for nearly 19 months. We’ve got more N95s, more PPE, and by December 2020, we were vaccinating healthcare workers, first responders, and high risk patients. Now, you’re information overloaded. Overwhelmed by numbers, statistics, graphics of how many patients are in each hospital, and how many are covid and unvaccinated. You watch the news, you see restrictions implemented in attempts to keep others from being infected. Some see these numbers and graphics showing covid data and think we’re “trying to push an agenda.” But there’s so much more you don’t see. There’s such a limited view into the hospitals. You don’t see nurses sharing their stories, because we protect our patients’ privacy. But more and more, I’m realizing it might be our experiences that speak louder than numbers.

We do everything we can for our patients. Many patients come in short of breath, with low oxygen readings, we put them on oxygen, start medications including antivirals and steroids. But then that oxygen and medication isn’t enough. We keep turning the oxygen up, and up, and up, until we get to the point they have to wear a mask that forces air into their lungs. Soon, even that is not enough. They need to be intubated.

So Emily, RN, our charge nurse for the day, calls their family and tells them we can’t keep their oxygen up and it’s time to be intubated.

Caroline, RN hurries to the med room to grab medications to sedate and paralyze them so that our pulmonologist can intubate safely and quickly. Jessica, our respiratory therapist, grabs her RT friend Salina and they wheel in the ventilator.

Everyone dons their PPE and is ready at the patient’s bedside. Caroline pushes meds, RT handles the airway and tools necessary for intubation. Our pulmonologist intubates them. Angie, our rapid response nurse, records the events from just outside the room with the phone on speaker so she can hear inside.

After successful intubation, we put in a foley catheter, a nasogastric tube (tube in your nose or mouth down to your stomach so we can give you medications and nutrition). We get x-rays and labs. We start continuous sedation so the patient can comfortably tolerate the tube in their mouth that is anchored by a balloon in the trachea. The ventilator settings are immediately increased. When 100% oxygen isn’t keeping their oxygen levels up, we increase the pressure so that their lungs are kept open and hope for better oxygenation. Emily and Caroline hold their hand and watch the monitor hoping for their oxygen to get above 88%. When it doesn’t, the pulmonologist tells us to start the paralytic medication and flip them onto their stomach and hope that gravity helps recruit more of their lungs to oxygenate. Prone therapy is working and we are so glad to get their oxygen up into the 90s. We do this for four or five days. They’re not getting better and their blood pressure starts to drop. We start medications for this. It’s not working… their kidneys start to shut down, we start continuous dialysis.

Family comes and hangs onto every piece of hope we can offer. Each 5% decrease in the patient’s oxygen needs is a win. But it’s becoming more and more clear they won’t make it. We talk to their family- we talk about quality of life and what the patient would’ve wanted if we’d exhausted every life saving option. Their family knows they won’t want to live like this; they’ve come to realize they won’t get better. So a decision is made to turn our care from aggressive treatment to making the patient as comfortable as possible in their last hours.

Just a couple days ago, Emmy found herself taking care of Henry (name changed to protect privacy). Covid positive, unvaccinated just because he hadn’t had the time. On the ventilator, 100% oxygen. We’d tried everything. Prone, antivirals, steroids- all of it. But it was obvious he wasn’t going to recover from this. So his family came in and said their goodbyes and made the decision to make him comfortable. The family was appreciative of our care for Henry, but didn’t want to stay with him as he passed away. Respiratory therapy extubated him. Emmy, Emily, and I did what we could to make him comfortable with the morphine and ativan. Emmy held one hand, Emily had the other. I messaged the doctor back and forth to make sure we had what we needed for Henry as he took his last breaths. We stood at Henry’s bedside for minutes. We watched him take a few gasping breaths, we held his hand and turned his pillows. We made sure he wasn’t in pain. Emily and I watched tears slide down Emmy’s face and into her N95. Five minutes later, the monitor read asystole. No heartbeat. No breathing.

Henry was one of too many. Just this yesterday, we lost our patient Penny. Over the months, we’ve lost Gary, Joe, Tommy, Susan, Paulette, Chris, Carry, Richard, and so many more. (Names changed to protect privacy.)

People come to their own conclusions looking at the numbers and survival rates and brush it off. It’s not likely to affect them, so they don’t think too hard about it. Or, maybe it is too much information to process. But from my point of view, I see Henry, Susan, and Joe who didn’t deserve this.

We are so tired. Exhausted. Mentally and emotionally undone…. because we don’t see numbers. I see my patients and their family members. I see the grief and share it with them. Now, there’s a vaccine, which makes this virus preventable and/or so much more mild that patients wouldn’t need the hospital if they did get it. Some of my closest family members continue to decline to get the vaccine and I’m so frustrated and tired and angry.

I am a nurse and I will take care of my patients and be the best advocate no matter who you are or any choices you’ve made… but there’s a way to help, and that way is masking and getting the vaccine. Help us so that maybe we won’t be the one to hold your loved ones hand while they pass away. It’s an honor to be that person for these patients, but right now, it doesn’t have to be this way.

And maybe it’s not only my stories that the community needs to hear. They need to hear the stories of Kat, Sarah, Kellen, Crystal, Paige, Daniela, Katie, Kelsie, Jamie, Haley, Taylor, Sheryl, Natalie, Bre, Matt, and so many more taking care of our community during covid.

Emmy is a CIC nurse taking care of covid patients every day.

“I have participated in a minimum of 2 deaths per day in the last nine days. And one day there were five. In some of these cases, it’s not the doctor having the conversations with the families, it’s me. And somehow I’m the last person they’ll ever speak to while also being the person to listen to their heart beat the last time and tell their wife or husband “they’re gone.” Somehow I’m crying and grieving a person I never knew. Shouting in a dirty utility room. Putting myself in time out so I can walk into the next room while others live comfortably unaware.”

-Emmy, CICU RN

Conversations we have with our patients:

“Hi, my name is Emily, I’m one of the nurses caring for you. Here in a minute there are going to be a lot of people coming to your room. Your oxygen is not staying high enough anymore.”

“No honey, there’s nothing more you can do.”

“If we wait any longer, it will become an emergency and it’s better to do it now while you’re safe.”

“I’m so sorry, we can’t wait for your wife to come. There is no more time.”

“I can’t say how long you will need this.”

“I promise to do everything I can.”

“I’ll tell them you love them.”

And repeat.

"everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started."

If you believe that, you'd give Trump a break because of it. But the lefties here say he's responsible for what happened, yet Biden somehow isn't.

I don't think Trump or Biden are doing spectacularly good or bad jobs at managing the virus. I'm not sure the president of a huge, free country can do a whole lot. Unlike the lefties, I apply that standard fairly to both men, I don't cherry pick when I apply it and when I don't, based on partisan politics.

Is that so pea brained?

"in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control"

Is he getting it more under control? Doesn't look like it to me.

[wdmso]

COVID was again the leading cause of death among U.S. law enforcement in 2021

A map included in the report indicates that COVID-19-related officer deaths were identified in 32 states, with the highest concentration in California and southern states including Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.

Law enforcement groups have pushed back against vaccine mandates
Leaders of some states and localities have even used the lack of a vaccine mandate as an incentive in their efforts to recruit law enforcement officers from other parts of the country.

Firearm and traffic fatalities also increased last year

it's Odd they wear body armor a seat belt ,to protect themselves But many refused to get the shot?

[wdmso]

Is he getting it more under control? Doesn't look like it to me.


And who in the GOP or the conservative landscape are trying to Help....

NOT MANY

[wdmso]

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?


Jim 99% of those dying are unvaccinated why do you keep missing that part

During the 1st wave the original we locked down during the 1st covid and many states had mask mandates all contributed in reducing Deaths over all

then when the Vaccine came out and the right railed against it and Mask mandates then delta showed and Delta was worse than and more contagious but the right kept beating the anti vax drum yet Vaccines rates increased

Now omicron virus is raging 4x contagious different from Delta but the usual suspects are once again beating the anti virus Mantra saying now it look People who are vaccinated are getting covid (like it's the original ) or back to its no worse than the Flu (if your vaccinated that is) and yet again it's the unvaccinated filling the hospitals beds and Conservatives insisting its all a lie

we see the conspiracy Like covid deaths was being inflated

or they died from pneumonia not covid when in fact that covid caused the pneumonia simplistic excuses now used against Doctors who the right now considers enemies ! who are lying about covid and who dies from covid they need to attack because of their believe in conspiracy theories and all academia
is in on the Fraud

it's a recurring theme in all conservatives arguments

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?


Jim 99% of those dying are unvaccinated why do you keep missing that part

During the 1st wave the original we locked down during the 1st covid and many states had mask mandates all contributed in reducing Deaths over all

then when the Vaccine came out and the right railed against it and Mask mandates then delta showed and Delta was worse than and more contagious but the right kept beating the anti vax drum yet Vaccines rates increased

Now omicron virus is raging 4x contagious different from Delta but the usual suspects are once again beating the anti virus Mantra saying now it look People who are vaccinated are getting covid (like it's the original ) or back to its no worse than the Flu (if your vaccinated that is) and yet again it's the unvaccinated filling the hospitals beds and Conservatives insisting its all a lie

we see the conspiracy Like covid deaths was being inflated

or they died from pneumonia not covid when in fact that covid caused the pneumonia simplistic excuses now used against Doctors who the right now considers enemies ! who are lying about covid and who dies from covid they need to attack because of their believe in conspiracy theories and all academia
is in on the Fraud

it's a recurring theme in all conservatives arguments

i’m not missing anything. i agree with you that most deaths are among the unvaccinated.

but since there were no vaccinated for most of Rrumos time dealing with covid, why are deaths higher now ( when tens of millions are vaccinated) than a year ago?

if vaccines prevent the vaccine vibrates from dying, shouldnt deaths decrease after the availability of the vaccine? there were MORE unvaccinated in 2020 than in 2021. so if this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, why did deaths increase after half of america got vaccinated?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And who in the GOP or the conservative landscape are trying to Help....

NOT MANY

OK, here is what you're saying...

In the first year of the virus (2020), Trump was president and the democrats controlled the house. The republicans controlled the senate. You say the deaths were trumps fault. You are saying the president owns the results. Fair enough.

In 2021, Biden is president, and the democrats control both chambers of congress. But the 2021 deaths aren't the president's fault, they are the GOPs fault.

Do you not see how stupid that is? The parties in control change, so you invert your logic so that no matter who is in control of what, bad outcomes are the GOPs fault.

Always, always, always.

Wayne, the democrats control the white house, the house and the senate. And you blame bad outcomes on the GOP?

Is there any conceivable scenario, in which you'd ever say, that a bad outcome was the democrats fault?

WDMSO: The democrats control the entire federal government right now. Therefore, I'll give them credit for all good outcomes. But I'll blame republicans for every single bad outcome.

God you crack me up.

homelessness in san francisco? the gop did it.

crime in Manhattan? the gops fault.

teachers strike in chicago? republicans are to blame.

[Pete F.]

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

democrats...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

get back to me after the november election, ask me if republicans are victims.

pete, why do you call it when someone blames bad covid outcomes on the president when the president is a republican…but blames the republicans for bad covid outcomes when the democrats control the entire federal government. i think that’s hysterical and absurd. i never said it makes me a victim.

what’s your record for most consecutive posts where you responded to something no one said?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

democrats...

seriously!
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

get back to me after the november election, ask me if republicans are victims.

pete, why do you call it when someone blames bad covid outcomes on the president when the president is a republican…but blames the republicans for bad covid outcomes when the democrats control the entire federal government. i think that’s hysterical and absurd. i never said it makes me a victim.

what’s your record for most consecutive posts where you responded to something no one said?
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Poor victim, constant projection from you and yours

Your ilk that yelled “Stop the Steal”, forged documents in a literal attempt to STEAL the election.

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever they claim, is happening despite investing the most in policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor victim, constant projection from you and yours

Your ilk that yelled “Stop the Steal”, forged documents in a literal attempt to STEAL the election.

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever they claim, is happening despite investing the most in policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.

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i asked a simple straightforward question. you fled from it.
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[Pete F.]

Lovely people in the Floriduh DeathSantis administration, no wonder Trumplicans want to move there

John Kuczwanski, a Florida state agency spokesperson, was shot and killed during a road rage incident. Witnesses say he rammed his BMW into a Prius and then shot a gun at the car. The driver of the Prius drew a gun and fired back, killing him.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Lovely people in the Floriduh DeathSantis administration, no wonder Trumplicans want to move there

John Kuczwanski, a Florida state agency spokesperson, was shot and killed during a road rage incident. Witnesses say he rammed his BMW into a Prius and then shot a gun at the car. The driver of the Prius drew a gun and fired back, killing him.
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that sure proves it. one bad apple, a guy no one has ever heard of.

FL is doomed now. Doomed.

What did you do, do a google search of “i desperately need to know of FL state employees who did bad things”?


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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that sure proves it. one bad apple, a guy no one has ever heard of.

FL is doomed now. Doomed.

What did you do, do a google search of “i desperately need to know of FL state employees who did bad things”?


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it's still being investigated, if you read the story it's a little bizarre, should probably wait till the police get witness stories and look at cameras from the area...or pete could just use it to condemn florida(we've seen this many times)

[The Dad Fisherman]

Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing
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Lord knows there are no kooks in blue states like NY and CA. All the kooks are in Flori-duh.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Lord knows there are no kooks in blue states like NY and CA. All the kooks are in Flori-duh.
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Aaaahh......homes to both David Berkowitz and Charles Manson
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Aaaahh......homes to both David Berkowitz and Charles Manson
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and Andrew Cuomo, if we want to limit the discussion to kooks who are part of the state government.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

OK, here is what you're saying...

In the first year of the virus (2020), Trump was president and the democrats controlled the house. The republicans controlled the senate. You say the deaths were trumps fault. You are saying the president owns the results. Fair enough.

In 2021, Biden is president, and the democrats control both chambers of congress. But the 2021 deaths aren't the president's fault, they are the GOPs fault.

Do you not see how stupid that is? The parties in control change, so you invert your logic so that no matter who is in control of what, bad outcomes are the GOPs fault.

Always, always, always.

Wayne, the democrats control the white house, the house and the senate. And you blame bad outcomes on the GOP?

Is there any conceivable scenario, in which you'd ever say, that a bad outcome was the democrats fault?

WDMSO: The democrats control the entire federal government right now. Therefore, I'll give them credit for all good outcomes. But I'll blame republicans for every single bad outcome.

God you crack me up.

homelessness in san francisco? the gop did it.

crime in Manhattan? the gops fault.

teachers strike in chicago? republicans are to blame.

Again what party is fighting all things vaccine and masked related things to curb covid


THE GOP! Your in denial with the rest of the GOP but its about freedom

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing
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John Kuczwanski thought it was Fauci in the prius