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Sure, some will say this is the minority but I dont think so, this is consistent with most of the opinions I have heard at the occupy sites. yes, there were some wackos at the tea party protests but way less than here,,,,,'
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Weren't you one of the ones arguing that even though the Tea Party rallies were full of nitwits, we shouldn't discount the cor principles of the movement?
the "core princilpes" of the Tea Party were demonstrated as they handed out pocket Constitutions, called for a return to the "core principles" that this country was founded on, held permitted rallys and cleaned up after themselves and slept in hotels rather than in the streets and parks of America.....
the "core principles" of this mob are on full display and unlike many of the claims that were made against the Tea Party which could not be substantiated, these jokers are happy to provide plenty of audio and video as evidence...
the former was/is calling for a rebuilding of America based adherence to it's founding principles
the latter is calling for(and has been for a long time) a destruction of America as founded and "fundamental transformation".....Obama just hasn't moved fast enough for their liking and they probably fear that they are running out of time.....
not that hard to understand...........
and don't call them socialists
interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people
interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people
Actually, I think most are lining up in support of their right to protest. I also think there is a lot of similarity between the grabbing of soundbites from crackpots or extremists on both sides to paint one as racist and the other as violent stoners (oxymoron?)
I'm pretty ambivalent on these Occupy protests.
do I think there a bunch of people there for the wrong reasons? Absolutely.
Do I think their message is clouded and multi-stung depending on which person you talk to.
Yup.
Are there a lot of them who are really just frustrated, and don't want the world handed to them, but just want to see more opportunities for jobs and careers? I think so. Will these protests go to that end? Probably not.
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
the "core princilpes" of the Tea Party were demonstrated as they handed out pocket Constitutions, called for a return to the "core principles" that this country was founded on, held permitted rallys and cleaned up after themselves and slept in hotels rather than in the streets and parks of America.....
the "core principles" of this mob are on full display and unlike many of the claims that were made against the Tea Party which could not be substantiated, these jokers are happy to provide plenty of audio and video as evidence...
the former was/is calling for a rebuilding of America based adherence to it's founding principles
the latter is calling for(and has been for a long time) a destruction of America as founded and "fundamental transformation".....Obama just hasn't moved fast enough for their liking and they probably fear that they are running out of time.....
not that hard to understand...........
and don't call them socialists
interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people
johnny, scott sums it up. The wacko percentage is much higher with this bunch. As analysis has proved the tea party is made up of WORKING people....ie taxpayers. Id love to see the analysis of incomes and taxes paid by this crew. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Here you go paul......remember, these kids are EDUCATED. Im not quoting the few random rednecks at a tea party rally.
Hmmm Paul, I guess I missed this type of dialog at the rea party rallies.....are you a history buff? Any memory of what was the underlying themes behind hitler and stalin? They hated the banks and the 1%
for you baby -
Every newscast I have seen of the occupiers is of 20 somethings with a small mixture of older folks. The teabaggers were much, much older - and from many of the comments I saw, I would call them idiots, morans, selfish bastards, etc. HA, HA, HA
I don't doubt that cons. donate more to charities. But isn't a large % of it self serving and going to their churches - I know a large part of my donations goes to my church?
Shouldn't you also be commenting on their looks?
The *ant* works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long,
building his house
and laying up supplies for the winter.
The *grasshopper* thinks the *ant* is a fool and laughs and dances and plays
the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering *grasshopper *calls a press conference and
demands to know why the *ant* should be allowed to be warm and well fed
while he is cold and starving. *
CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN,* and *ABC*
show up to provide pictures of the shivering *grasshopper *next to a video
of the *ant* in his comfortable home with
a table filled with food.*
America is stunned by the sharp contrast. *
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor *grasshopper *
is
allowed to suffer so? *
[QUOTE=PaulS;896180]Shouldn't you also be commenting on their looks?
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should I? In my teens and 20s I had hair down to my mid-back, I was nicknamed "Jerry" because I always wore tie dies, I had both ears pierced multiple times and I have many tattoos.
I never asked for a dime from anyone, played in bands, travelled all over the country. I look at the world as my oyster. Nothing holds me back. Some hippie, free thinking types whine and complain about their student loans, others start apple computer and change the world. Whats the difference? The answer is in the mirror.
dont blame the banks, wall st or the government.
Sorry, I can't see videos at work. But again, I'm sure your pulling a video (probl. off a radical right wing website) and attributing it to a whole party.
Why would I care that one person is complaining about his brothers student loans? Just as I didn't cry about a couple of people holding up a Hitler sign w/Obama's photo.
Sorry, I can't see videos at work. But again, I'm sure your pulling a video (probl. off a radical right wing website) and attributing it to a whole party.
Why would I care that one person is complaining about his brothers student loans? Just as I didn't cry about a couple of people holding up a Hitler sign w/Obama's photo.
nope, sorry, not a radical web site. One called "youtube". Search for your self.
Hey Paul S, would you please tell us all where you gotthe idea that tea partiers don't want to pay any taxes, and that they don't want to lift a finger to help anyone less fortunate?
EITHER TELL US WHERE YOU GOT THAT IDEA, OR KINDLY ADMIT THAT YOU MADE IT UP IN ORDER TO DEMONIZE THOSE WITH WHOM YOU DISAGREE.
Hint: we all know you made it up, which is precisely what liberal ideologues do, when you inevitably back them into a corner by exposing their ideas as the stupid jibberish that they clearly are. Instead of admitting that a $20 minimum wage is stupid, you try to cast tea partiers as "more" stupid. And since no tea partier has ever actually said anything more stupid than that, you can only accomplish your goal by fabricating lies about what we stand for.
That's the definition of intellectual dishonesty.
Finally, if you can only refute tea party positions by inventing lies about them, doesn't that mean that we maybe have a valid point?
I am providing evidence of the core of the movement, you will choose to ignore it. Here is CBS news stating that student loans are a big part of the beyotch. This guy is in boston.
In Boston, I've had open positions for MONTHS, publicly posted. Funny his resume never came past my desk......maybe I should have checked the walls of coffee houses for his resume. Maybe a Harvard grad never heard of networking?
Whatever the case, I'm sure its "the mans" fault.
lets hear it straight from the horses mouth - from one of the occupy websites....
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
PaulS, if you have a youtube video of a tea party spokesman saying he wants to pay no taxes, please share it. Because I would not want to identify with a group that said such things.
As to your claim of what the occupiers want...you are refusing to admit what they are actually saying, things like debt elimination.
You did bring up a point about the rich getting richer. Allow me to address that.
EARTH TO PAULS, SPENCE, AND OBAMA...
Yes, the rich usually get richer. Guess what? That doesn't do a SINGLE THING to reduce the chances of a poor person getting rich. PaulS, repeat this..."wealth is not finite, it's not like a pizza". If Warren Buffet earns another million today (and he will), that DOES NOT mean that there's a million less for the rest of us.
For the most part, the existence of rich folks has NO DETRIMENTAL impact to anyone else. In fact, we are BETTER OFF thanks to rich folks, because they pay a whole lot of taxes (reducing the burden on the rest of us), they give a lot to charity, and many of them create jobs.
Bill Gates and Oprah Winfey aren't holding anyone else back. They might make easy villains to simple-minded marxists, but the facts don't even come close to backing that up.
Paul, how do you feel about demand #2 in RIJimmy's post?
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
Yet while some say the Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already," most Tea Party supporters - 52 percent - say their taxes are fair, the poll shows. Just under one in five Americans say they support the Tea Party movement.
However, those most active in the Tea Party are less satisfied with the amount of income taxes they will pay. Fifty-five percent of Tea Party activists - those who have attended a rally or donated money - (about 4 percent of Americans overall) say their income taxes are unfair.
Americans overall are more likely than Tea Partiers to describe the income taxes they'll pay this year as fair - 62 percent do, according to the poll, conducted April 5 - 12.
Majorities across all income levels say their income taxes are fair, as do most Republicans and Democrats.
ps Paul - you tube is an open, user updated media source. It is neither true nor false, it just is. I posted actual clips from speakers at the movement. Not fox news, not edited. Im sorry I cant take some time off from work adn go down their and video myseld, but do you really think what I'll find will differ from what I posted? really?
Im sorry I cant take some time off from work adn go down their and video myseld, but do you really think what I'll find will differ from what I posted? really?
Just put the earings back in, the tie-dye back on and with the long.... oops... no hair.... you'll fit right in!
Bryan
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Can't we just admint that the tea party is on its last legs. It is so far out of whack from the middle of the road that even Pat Robertson is commenting about it. Both occupy and tea bag fall apart when the pendulum isn't on wacko.
Can't we just admint that the tea party is on its last legs. It is so far out of whack from the middle of the road that even Pat Robertson is commenting about it. Both occupy and tea bag fall apart when the pendulum isn't on wacko.
I don't know about that. At least the Tea Party is protesting (peacefully) the government reign inn out of control costs and spending to stop the slide we are one. OWS wants Evil Wall St / Government to foot a lot of other people's bills, pay for the college, and give them a safe placed to spark another fatty.
The truth is - as usual - somewhere in the middle though me thinks that it is more realistic on the side of the Tea Party. I'm sure a lot of people in the Tea Party would rather see Wall St lose some of its greed and foster better conditions for Americans in America while OWS would rather have Wall St take the money from the rich and give to the poor, yet still make sure there is money available in order to redistribute.
I don't know about that. At least the Tea Party is protesting (peacefully) the government reign inn out of control costs and spending to stop the slide we are one. OWS wants Evil Wall St / Government to foot a lot of other people's bills, pay for the college, and give them a safe placed to spark another fatty.
The truth is - as usual - somewhere in the middle though me thinks that it is more realistic on the side of the Tea Party. I'm sure a lot of people in the Tea Party would rather see Wall St lose some of its greed and foster better conditions for Americans in America while OWS would rather have Wall St take the money from the rich and give to the poor, yet still make sure there is money available in order to redistribute.
Good post John. The Tea Party is not waning, not by any stretch. They have re-defined the Republican agenda, no doubt about it, and they elected dozens of Congressmen to the House Of Reps just last November. The Tea Party is a force that isn't going away in the near future.
Funny. Most ardent Tea Partiers would say they were opposed to the Wall St bailouts, which is one of the things that OWS is whining about. SO they have that in common.
You are also correct about this, John...what the occupiers want (free college, debt forgiveness, free wealth) simply isn't feasible. It has been tried a million times (because on its face it sounds great), and it fails dismally every single time. If we could just print enough money to make everyone a billionaire and end poverty, no one would oppose that. It simply cannot be done.
You are also correct about this, John...what the occupiers want (free college, debt forgiveness, free wealth) simply isn't feasible. It has been tried a million times (because on its face it sounds great), and it fails dismally every single time. If we could just print enough money to make everyone a billionaire and end poverty, no one would oppose that. It simply cannot be done.
some of the OWS folks are Ron Paul followers and many are against govt intervention.
Good post John. The Tea Party is not waning, not by any stretch. They have re-defined the Republican agenda, no doubt about it, and they elected dozens of Congressmen to the House Of Reps just last November. The Tea Party is a force that isn't going away in the near future.
If they are responsible for the election of an unelectable republican candidate, they are done. A large majority of people agree more with Obama's ideas than the tea party; with Obama's ratings that may seem counter-intuitive. However, it is true on taxes for the wealthy, medicare, social security, etc. If a Herman Cain or Perry become the candidate, Obama gets re-elected because of Florida, PA, and Ohio. If the non-tea party candidate, Romney, wins it, he could win the general. His election would be in-spite of the tea party, not because of it. The tea party will be a fringe group within 5 years, less if the economy recovers, Obama wins, or Romney gets elected. If Cain or Perry get elected in the general, I will be the first to say I was wrong about the tea party.
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