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Old 10-21-2021, 06:27 PM   #1
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NIH explicitly admits today it funded gain of function research at Wuhan

Which Faucci flatly denied to congress.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...125103852.html
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Which Faucci flatly denied to congress.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...125103852.html
I don't see how you can derive that conclusion from this document.
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I don't see how you can derive that conclusion from this document.
the NIH concludes it. maybe they know a
little more than. you do.
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That's not what they concluded. The only thing from the NIH letter is that the EcoHealth findings should have been reported sooner and weren't, not that their research violated the contract.

Can you read?
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That's not what they concluded. The only thing from the NIH letter is that the EcoHealth findings should have been reported sooner and weren't, not that their research violated the contract.

Can you read?
no i can’t. the democrats will take the entire house in 2024, because everyone will agree with you, that they’ve never made a mistake.
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I don't see how you can derive that conclusion from this document.
Because he was told to be outraged it’s that simple . Critical thinking is banned in the GOP it may be linked to CRT so to avoid confusing the base it’s not allowed
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the U.S. non-profit that funneled NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was not transparent about the work it was doing. So how would anyone know ! if they never told anyone?
And Republicans are suggesting Faucci lied amazing stretch of the truth

Yet 9 Republicans voted to hold Trump aide Bannon in contempt of Congress out of 214 Republicans how sad the law and order party once again chooses party over country

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the U.S. non-profit that funneled NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was not transparent about the work it was doing. So how would anyone know ! if they never told anyone?
And Republicans are suggesting Faucci lied amazing stretch of the truth

Yet 9 Republicans voted to hold Trump aide Bannon in contempt of Congress out of 214 Republicans how sad the law and order party once again chooses party over country

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spence denied that what they did, was gain of function of research. you’re saying it was gain of function research, but that we had no way of knowing because someone in the chain didn’t fully disclose.

Wayne, Faucci has changed his tune on this disease 100 times. he hasn’t gotten a single thing right. what would it take, for you to decide he’s lost some
credibility.

The NIH funded ( perhaps without their knowledge, but that’s if you take their word for that) gain of function research at Wuhan. We now know that. That’s not nonsense, that’s now factual.
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the U.S. non-profit that funneled NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was not transparent about the work it was doing. So how would anyone know ! if they never told anyone?
That's not true, to get the grant money EcoHealth had to submit a proposal for the research they intended to do. Based on the NIH review it was determined it wasn't necessary for the stricter P3CO protocols as they weren't going to do anything to make the viruses more infectious to humans. What they didn't do was report their findings on time per the requirements of the contract.

The problem here is people are referring to Gain of Function like some giant catch all that includes just about any research. It's like how CRT is generic for any discussion about race.
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That's not true, to get the grant money EcoHealth had to submit a proposal for the research they intended to do. Based on the NIH review it was determined it wasn't necessary for the stricter P3CO protocols as they weren't going to do anything to make the viruses more infectious to humans. What they didn't do was report their findings on time per the requirements of the contract.

The problem here is people are referring to Gain of Function like some giant catch all that includes just about any research. It's like how CRT is generic for any discussion about race.
i don’t know exactly what gain of function is, and it’s likely you don’t either. what i do know, is that Faucci flatly denied providing any funding for it. but we did.

obviously, you’re going to say that what we funded, wasn’t gain of function. others will
say it was. i don’t know for sure. i do know that at this point Faucci has flip flopped and been so wrong so often, that he has zero credibility with me. the guy loves seeing himself in tv, loves the attention.

I read that combining viruses to see if you can make them
stronger, falls under the umbrella of gain of function. according to the NIH, that’s what they funded in Wuhan.

don’t worry snowflake, , like every other crisis manufactured by the Trumplicans, there’s nothing to see here. As you said, the polls show. idea is doing well. Right?

you’re an expert on finance and virology. that’s very impressive. you know more than rand paul. i don’t think you’ve ever asked a question here, because you know it all. it’s just so impressive.
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i don’t know exactly what gain of function is, and it’s likely you don’t either. what i do know, is that Faucci flatly denied providing any funding for it. but we did.
The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.

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obviously, you’re going to say that what we funded, wasn’t gain of function. others will
I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.

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say it was. i don’t know for sure. i do know that at this point Faucci has flip flopped and been so wrong so often, that he has zero credibility with me. the guy loves seeing himself in tv, loves the attention.
What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.

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stronger, falls under the umbrella of gain of function. according to the NIH, that’s what they funded in Wuhan.
That's not what they were doing.
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That's not what they were doing.
clearly...because no crazy virus has been unleashed on the world recently
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The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.


I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.


What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.


That's not what they were doing.
"The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online"

Yet they did increase the potency of the virus, which is why many other scientists have called what we funded at Wuhan, the epitome of gain-of-function research. I don't know what's generally accepted to be gain-of-function, neither do you. But you'll blindly buy into every scientist whose opinion supports liberalism, and refuse to listen to any scientist whose opinion challenges liberalism. You never, ever do anything else. Not once, not ever. It's kind of boring.


Keep nodding like dutiful livestock at everything that comes from the mouth of the guy who not that long ago said masks would be an hysterical over-reaction, and that we just needed to give them two weeks to bend the curve. How many times does he have to flip-flop or just be wrong, before you'd stop listening to him?
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The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.


I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.


What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.


That's not what they were doing.
you’re denying that faucci has flipped flopped on this.

he specifically said not to wear masks. are you denying that? you’re saying faucci never suggested not to wear masks? spence, he has spewed every conceivable opinion at some point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...radictions.amp

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The problem here is people are referring to Gain of Function like some giant catch all that includes just about any research. It's like how CRT is generic for any discussion about race.
and the wuhan virus probably didn't come from the wuhan lab coincidentally experimenting with the wuhan virus.....

it's like how leftist call everything hate and racism now....
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Faucci was a darling ofTrumps maga supporters until he did the unthinkable he spoke the Truth and then stayed on under Biden and now he is the new Conservatives lighting rod … while they willfully ignore anything to do with Herr Tump and his attempted overthrow of the US Government…. 😂
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good grief,,,did you mean Gucci?
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Faucci fell out of favor when Trump was still POTUS, and all the flip-flopping was apparent. Sorry.
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you too huh?...
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Queue the “The science is an ever changing process” comeback
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Ummmm ….no.. the science is settled…unless it becomes inconvenient…then we just change some words or their meanings
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wayne -

“ trump had no messaging except it was going o go away aka disappear.

here’s Gov Cuomo, not known to be a Trump loyalist, praising Trump for helping NY.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...2371465/%3famp

Trump didn’t do anything? He didn’t implement travelled bans? didn’t send huge hospital ships to NY and CA? didn’t have his army engineers convert the Javitts center to a huge hospital?

you’re well informed.
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that bastion of vast right wing conspiracies and propaganda VANITY FAIR has a troubling article...

Jamie Metzl, who sits on the WHO advisory committee on human genome editing...
"If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I'd be a prime suspect"
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wayne -

“ trump had no messaging except it was going o go away aka disappear.

here’s Gov Cuomo, not known to be a Trump loyalist, praising Trump for helping NY.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...2371465/%3famp

Trump didn’t do anything? He didn’t implement travelled bans? didn’t send huge hospital ships to NY and CA? didn’t have his army engineers convert the Javitts center to a huge hospital?

you’re well informed.
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All while still trying to excuse Covid away …. and he was backed into a corner . He just moved pieces that just needed his approval It’s not heroic it’s called doing your job ….

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.

March 6: We’ve had 11 deaths, and they’ve been largely old people who are — who were susceptible to what’s happening. Now, that would be the case, I assume, with a regular flu too. If somebody is old and in a weakened state or ill, they’re susceptible to the common flu too. You know, they were telling me just now that the common flu kills people and old people is sort of a target.”( the origin of its only the flu)

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.

March 13: Trump declares a national emergency concerning the coronavirus.

March 15: “This is a very contagious — this is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” —

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a — this is a real — this is a pandemic. I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.


April
The president undermines the CDC’s recommendation on wearing face masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19, urges governors to open up their states and suggests ways to use ultraviolet rays and disinfectant to treat COVID-19.

March 24: “So I think Easter Sunday and you’ll have packed churches all over our country. I think it would be a beautiful time. And it’s just about the timeline that I think is right.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News.

March 26: The U.S. has 100,000 confirmed coronavirus cases, more than any other country.


April 3: The CDC recommends that people begin “wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

April 5: “We’re starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. And hopefully, in the not-too-distant future, we’ll be very proud of the job we all did. We can never be happy when so many people are dying, but we’re going to be very proud of the job we did to keep the death down to an absolute minimum —

May 8: “Well, I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine. It’s going to go away, and it’s — we’re not going to see it again,

June 20: “They call me, they say the job you’re doing — here’s the bad part, when you test of — when you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So, I said to my people slow the testing down, please.” — Trump at a Tulsa, Oklahoma, indoor rally,

June 25: “So, we have more cases because we do the greatest testing. If we didn’t do testing, we’d have no cases.

Aug. 5: “I also urge Americans to help us stop the spread of the virus. Practice good hygiene, socially distance, avoid large crowds, and wear a mask where distancing is not possible. It’s a patriotic thing to do.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

MAGA a missed that I guess so did trump

Sept. 3: “I’ve never seen a man [Biden] that liked a mask more. Look, I’m all for it … but did you ever see a man that likes a mask as much as him? And then he makes a speech and he always has it, not always but a lot of times he has it hanging down because you know what, it gives him a feeling of security

Sept. 15: “But we really are — we’re starting to get very good marks.”

“But whether it’s Dr. Fauci or anybody else, a lot of people got it wrong. They talked about don’t wear masks, and now they say wear masks. Although some people say don’t wear masks. I mean you have a lot of different ideas. … Now there is, by the way, a lot of people don’t want to wear masks. There are a lot of people think that masks are not good.” — Trump in an ABC News

Now the blame game starts prior to the election
And cue the mask wars

Sept. 22: “The CDC is people that have been there for a long time, long before me and I, I also don’t like the fact that they send out mixed messages. They put stuff in, they put it out, you know, it’s, I don’t know, they’ve been there a long time. The CDC, uh, comes out with all different messages. Now I’ll give you an example, uh, wear a mask, don’t wear a mask.”

Now the China virus name calling starts

Sept. 24: “The China virus, it’s China, some people call it coronavirus. That sounds like a beautiful place in Italy, right? No, it didn’t come from Italy. It came from China.

Sept. 29: “And now we’re weeks away from a vaccine. We’re doing therapeutics already. Fewer people are dying when they get sick. Far fewer people are dying. We’ve done a great job.”

“When needed, I wear masks. I don’t have — I don’t wear masks like [Biden]. Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from — and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.” — Trump at the presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio.

Members of Trump’s family did not wear masks during the debate.

On Trump’s Last Full Day, Nation Records 400,000 Covid Deaths

But but Fauci lied …. Maybe and flip flopped , normal people call that changing ones mind based on the evidence presented. Something else thats not allowed in the Trump MAGA universe. Unless it Herr Trump who changed his mind
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