If the gop win the midterms

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he said no such thing in Rome. he talked about two different topics

I don’t like the idea of 9 unelected judges getting to decide for all of us, what they think the constitution means. That isn’t any kind of religious argument.
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Yea, he did talk about his belief in the importance of religion and implied that Boris Johnson lost because he commented unfavorably about the radical SCOTUS overturning Roe.
Very difficult to overstate how dangerous this is. A Supreme Court justice suggesting that "secular society" is a risk, that the government somehow favors or even is dependent on religion and believers over others is a step toward theocracy and away from our founding principles.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Yea, he did talk about his belief in the importance of religion and implied that Boris Johnson lost because he commented unfavorably about the radical SCOTUS overturning Roe.
Very difficult to overstate how dangerous this is. A Supreme Court justice suggesting that "secular society" is a risk, that the government somehow favors or even is dependent on religion and believers over others is a step toward theocracy and away from our founding principles.
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again, the court has been radical left your whole life, and you can’t handle the change. i’m sorry.
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[Pete F.]

Alito’s argument is that the right to abortion is “egregiously wrong” because it is not “deeply rooted in our history and tradition” and respondents are “unable to show that a constitutional right to abortion was established when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted.”
Here’s the problem with this argument. Women didn’t have any rights when the 14th Amendment was adopted; not just abortion. Women didn’t even get the right to vote until five Amendments later. This in no way justifies ripping rights to bodily autonomy from women in 2022.
While he only expressly targets Roe and Casey in this brief, if the standard for our rights going forward is what is referenced in the Constitution or what is deeply rooted in our history and tradition, then the only rights that are safe are those belonging to straight white men.
Overturning Roe will be an unmitigated disaster for women. It will immediately trigger abortion bans in at least 13 states and near-bans in another 12. It will open the door for states to criminalize contraception, miscarriage, and even medical procedures to save a mother’s life.
And if Roe can be overturned simply because a majority of illegitimate justices appointed explicitly to take rights away from marginalized groups says so, then every civil rights decision will fall by the same distorted standards used to abrogate this near five decade precedent.
Over 80% of Americans oppose this. Think about what it says that Republican-appointed justices feel comfortable essentially invalidating the legitimacy of their entire institution to impose their will, which is rooted in a religious belief that fetuses are humans (they aren’t).
Not to mention that banning abortion doesn’t reduce abortion, it just reduces SAFE abortion meaning more women will DIE during the procedure. Or that access to safe, legal abortion leads to FEWER ABORTIONS and SAVES LIVES. There’s nothing pro-life about any of this. ZERO.
The ancient recognition of a right as a prerequisite to its contemporary acceptance defies the role of the court to be the nonpartisan branch of government that protects the lives, liberties and property of all persons from the overreach of Congress, the President, and the states
As for the claim that we can only respect or uphold rights that are explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, this would invalidate most of the rights we currently have. The majority of our freedoms are unenumerated; meaning they are inferred based on the text of the Constitution
Any conservative who thinks it’s some sort of “gotcha!” to say “show me where in the Constitution it says you have the right to an abortion! You can’t! Ha!” it’s not. You are just very very stupid.
You know what is in the constitution? Slavery. So why do we think it’s sole perfect,handed down from Moses, document?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

which is rooted in a religious belief that fetuses are humans (they aren’t).

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this thinking is evil ......and stupid beyond words

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this thinking is evil ......and stupid beyond words

it’s taking self centeredness to evangelical heights.

and it is stupid, you don’t need to be religious to think an unborn is a person. you just need to have a little honesty and empathy and heart.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So for those who need reminding:
In the last few WEEKS, the GQP has said f you to:
- Women
- Members of the LGBTQIA+ community
- Veterans
- Mother Earth
- School children (some of whom will soon enough be the product of forced births)

Simultaneously, it has hugged:
- Guns
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you just need to have a little honesty and empathy and heart.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

you just need to have a little honesty and empathy and heart.
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wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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Who is the most middle of the road here?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who is the most middle of the road here?

TDF has agreed with, and disagreed with, everybody.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

TDF has agreed with, and disagreed with, everybody.
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I have never seen that. He usually just comments on people from the left's posts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I have never seen that. He usually just comments on people from the left's posts.

then what you see, is less than accurate.

He’s disagreed with me many times. And he’s had a valid point every single time he does. so instead of insulting him, pergaps reflect on why he’s saying what he’s saying.

in this case, the gop did not vote against helping vets. they voted against the dems’ attempt to exploit a bill helping vets, by sneaking in a budgetary gimmick. that’s what happened. but not one of you can say it.

if the dems propose a clean bill with no gimmicks and the gop votes against that, then i’ll be the first one to say they voted against vets.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

I used to go back and forth with Skip N, Dangles, and occasionally RIJimmy. And then the orange guy won, and the left became completely unhinged and delirious. So yeah, I can find issues with both sides, but one side has just gone completely bonkers.

I was a registered Dem up until the 2020 election, I’m now unenrolled, I would never want to be associated with that awful group of people again….ever.

And before you start with the R’s are no better, notice the word Unenrolled.

To simplify, they both suck
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I used to go back and forth with Skip N, Dangles, and occasionally RIJimmy. And then the orange guy won, and the left became completely unhinged and delirious. So yeah, I can find issues with both sides, but one side has just gone completely bonkers.

I was a registered Dem up until the 2020 election, I’m now unenrolled, I would never want to be associated with that awful group of people again….ever.

And before you start with the R’s are no better, notice the word Unenrolled.

To simplify, they both suck
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the people running for office on both sides are gross. we need to stop
electing people
based on fame and looks.
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[Got Stripers]

Term limits would solve a lot, but the career politicians aren’t likely to change the rules. Maybe this time around a third party can actually get up and running.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I used to go back and forth with Skip N, Dangles, and occasionally RIJimmy. And then the orange guy won, and the left became completely unhinged and delirious. So yeah, I can find issues with both sides, but one side has just gone completely bonkers.

I was a registered Dem up until the 2020 election, I’m now unenrolled, I would never want to be associated with that awful group of people again….ever.

And before you start with the R’s are no better, notice the word Unenrolled.

To simplify, they both suck
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Similar to me I was registered Republican for many years and have voted for probably more Republicans for president than Democrats. But while I agree both parties have moved I think the Republicans have moved far more than the Democrats and don't think I would ever vote for Republican again for president unfortunately. I too am a unaffiliated. I don't think a republican would now ever start the EPA or OSHA for example like Nixon did.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I have never seen that. He usually just comments on people from the left's posts.

because they are the most obnoxious

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

because they are the most obnoxious

Now that’s funny!
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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VA Secretary Denis McDonough says Republican Senators’ new proposed changes to the PACT Act would result in rationing care to sick veterans; the VA could only spend so much per year, regardless of need, and would only treat vets for 10 years, again, regardless of need.

The same people helped Trump add 7.8 TRILLION to the debt.
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[Pete F.]

Republicans are losing their minds that gas prices are coming down, inflation is getting better, the stock market is going up, and Congress is actually working together on meaningful legislation

Not to mention they have no substantial issues to run on in November
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Republicans are losing their minds that gas prices are coming down, inflation is getting better,
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yup. $4 gas and 9.1% inflation are can’t-lose statistics for democrats.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Not to mention they have no substantial issues to run on in November
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here’s their issue…

“when we were in charge, gas was $1.50, inflation was 0%, crime and drug overdoses were far lower. 58% of americans said they were better off in 2020 than they were in 2016. How many americns are better off in 2022 then they were in 2021? Had enough?”

the democrats message in 2020 was orange man bad. the gop message in 2022 can be, “had enough”?


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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yup. $4 gas and 9.1% inflation are can’t-lose statistics for democrats.
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The two sacred cows that Republicans will protect at all costs - the drug industry and the oil industry - lose out if the Inflation Reduction Act passes.

That’s why the GOP is furious.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here’s their issue…

“when we were in charge, gas was $1.50, inflation was 0%, crime and drug overdoses were far lower. 58% of americans said they were better off in 2020 than they were in 2016. How many americns are better off in 2022 then they were in 2021? Had enough?”

the democrats message in 2020 was orange man bad. the gop message in 2022 can be, “had enough”?


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Gas was $1.50 because Covid came and “ …when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Then Trump organized an increase in oil prices, crime started increasing on his watch and the Republican administration tried to perform a self coup.

I'm guessing the mother of all migrant caravans will be approaching the border in late October, only to magically disappear a week later, just like all the others.

And if that’s not enough, they do have homophobia, misogyny and racism-those have worked well for them in the past.
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[Pete F.]

Moody's Analytics finds the Manchin & Schumer-backed Inflation Reduction Act will "nudge the economy and inflation in the right direction, while meaningfully addressing climate change and reducing the government’s budget deficits."
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I used to go back and forth with Skip N, Dangles, and occasionally RIJimmy. And then the orange guy won, and the left became completely unhinged and delirious. So yeah, I can find issues with both sides, but one side has just gone completely bonkers.

I was a registered Dem up until the 2020 election, I’m now unenrolled, I would never want to be associated with that awful group of people again….ever.

And before you start with the R’s are no better, notice the word Unenrolled.

To simplify, they both suck
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I would never want to be associated with that awful group of people again….ever.


why ? because they tried to hold the orangeman accountable ? or some other reason ?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gas was $1.50 because Covid came and “ …when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Then Trump organized an increase in oil prices, crime started increasing on his watch and the Republican administration tried to perform a self coup.

I'm guessing the mother of all migrant caravans will be approaching the border in late October, only to magically disappear a week later, just like all the others.

And if that’s not enough, they do have homophobia, misogyny and racism-those have worked well for them in the past.
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Seem there is a New Abbott crisis

The Texas Department of Agriculture is becoming increasingly worried about escalating attempts by migrants to block Mexican highways,


yep you read it right migrants to block Mexican highways,

But for republicans Putin didn't affect gas prices or global inflation by invading Ukraine


But Migrants Blocking Mexican Highways Could Threaten US Supply Chain

[Jim in CT]

democrat message for midterms…

hey, things aren’t as bad as they were last month! ( except for the fact we’re in a recession, though we’re working on changing the definition away from ‘period of time when the economy is receding”).
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The two sacred cows that Republicans will protect at all costs - the drug industry and the oil industry - lose out if the Inflation Reduction Act passes.

That’s why the GOP is furious.
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who’s protecting the drug industry? the democrats control
DC right now, and are mandating vaccines and daily boosters.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Moody's Analytics finds the Manchin & Schumer-backed Inflation Reduction Act will "nudge the economy and inflation in the right direction, while meaningfully addressing climate change and reducing the government’s budget deficits."
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how does printing $600 billion for
wind turbines reduce inflation?

pete, if it does what you say, i’ll be the first to
say “we’ll done.”.

but calling a spending bill the inflation reduction act, just naming it that, doesn’t reduce inflation.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

why ? because they tried to hold the orangeman accountable ? or some other reason ?

Well, they obviously have very low standards for membership
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