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Old 06-27-2022, 12:53 PM   #121
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Yet we have Republicans pushing The Kids Guide to President Trump:

What page is government over throw and pussy grabbing..
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Old 06-27-2022, 01:00 PM   #122
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he’s not leading a team prayer. he prayed alone, and some
kids joined him.

Separation of church and state does t mean no religion in public view. It means the government can’t pick which religions are legitimate and which aren’t.f

The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion. Even if Pete hates it.

This was a complete no brainer.
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The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion.

They weren’t interfering . they said not on school grounds and not as of head coach of a public school. So no separation of church and state no longer exist

Another religious ruling masked as constitutional. So much for past rulings

Let have a 1000 people pray on Jim’s front lawn . And see if he still supports this ruling


Gorsuch said lower courts should no longer follow the “Lemon test” criticized by religious conservatives

No kidding

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Old 06-27-2022, 01:07 PM   #123
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Kennedy has radically recast the events that led to his dismissal and that his actions during the 2015 football season were hardly private acts of faith. His Facebook post — “I think I just might have been fired for praying” — drew national attention and elicited support from prominent advocates, including former president Donald Trump and Fox News pundits.

Yep was never about his privacy it was his crusade not for law or the constitution but his lord
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Old 06-27-2022, 01:21 PM   #124
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The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion.

They weren’t interfering . they said not on school grounds and not as of head coach of a public school. So no separation of church and state no longer exist

Another religious ruling masked as constitutional. So much for past rulings

Let have a 1000 people pray on Jim’s front lawn . And see if he still supports this ruling


Gorsuch said lower courts should no longer follow the “Lemon test” criticized by religious conservatives

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the government cannot forbid you to exercise your religion on public property where you have a right to be.

have you ever bothered to read the Bill Of Rights?

The court was liberal from
the days of Earl Warren. that’s over. it’s our turn. the SCOTUS pendulum will swing back to the left eventually.

“have 1000 people
pray in jim’s front lawn…”.

My front lawn isn’t my workplace, nor is it public property. Good lord that’s a stupid argument.

tolerance is better then censorship.
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Old 06-27-2022, 02:52 PM   #125
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Jim stop the bill of rights nonsense you and the rest of the the conservatives religious have no interest in the Bill of rights unless you it fits your religious views

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) on Sunday said she will ban telemedicine appointments with abortion care providers who prescribe pills online



it also says hall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

seems they didn't expect a nation of 300 million

Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

1 that never happened to this guy! but for the GOP the press is the enemy of the state! outrage of peacefully people peaceably to assemble if front of SJC homes with more twisted logic of intimidation freedom for me and not thee

Article the fourth... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

still waiting to read the words conceal and carry more twisted legalmobojombo

Article the sixth... The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Red states passing law for fellow citizens to report and sue anyone they think got an abortion

yep Jim keep thinking the GOP cares about the constitution
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the government cannot forbid you to exercise your religion on public property where you have a right to be.

have you ever bothered to read the Bill Of Rights?

The court was liberal from
the days of Earl Warren. that’s over. it’s our turn. the SCOTUS pendulum will swing back to the left eventually.

“have 1000 people
pray in jim’s front lawn…”.

My front lawn isn’t my workplace, nor is it public property. Good lord that’s a stupid argument. the street isn't

tolerance is better then censorship.
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Just those 2 statements make my point

1st you see the court as a tool of retribution


2nd Freedom is only for whom you align with .

can't wait to see the outrage over a highschool drag queen prayer vigil after the game ... I bet the right won't mention freedom of speech and religious freedom .. but I am sure other words will be used..
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To clarify, the real problem in the school prayer case is not that the coach wanted to pray.

It wasn't even that he was doing it publicly and had people on the team join in (though that is problematic too.)

The real problem is he retaliated against players who didn't join him.
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Just those 2 statements make my point

1st you see the court as a tool of retribution


2nd Freedom is only for whom you align with .

can't wait to see the outrage over a highschool drag queen prayer vigil after the game ... I bet the right won't mention freedom of speech and religious freedom .. but I am sure other words will be used..
i didn’t say retribution. said the court was liberal
for decades,,now it’s conservative.

you people
need to grasp that democracy isnt defines as you getting what you want every single
time.

the court was liberal for 50 years. then the people elected a conservative senate and a republican president, who did exactly what he said he’d do.

elections have consequences

only you’d see that as “retribution”.

if 1000 people
prayed in the street it would block traffic. this coach wasnt doing that.

man, for people who demand tolerance, liberals are t too keen on showing it.

you can have your gay pride parades in public, he can pray in public. tough cookies if you don’t like it.
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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Won’t that be a fun case to get to the Supreme Court, when it comes down to what’s good for the Christian goose, is good for the Muslim gander.
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Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/..._guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/..._guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?

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Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?
Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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I wasn’t talking to you on that….

What Maxine said was dumb but not a call to violence. What else is new she says dumb things a lot….
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

i’d have no problem
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public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

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It wasn’t intended to be a gotcha. Just a hypothetical.

Read what Kevin posted and explain how the ‘official context’ isn’t clear? This isn’t two teachers having a bible discussion at lunch in teachers lounge, this is someone doing it over the school’s PA system.

We aren’t going to agree on this one. Moving on. Have a good night guys.
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Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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shouldnt be using a PA system…
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It was a metaphor….

The manual/handbook Kevin posted had an example of two teachers privately discussing the Bible. I made a comparison…

Maybe it’s a gray area, but when I played sports the coaches were coaches till the kids left the field/locker room and went home.

I have a feeling he was asked a number of times not to do this and warned, and then his contract was not renewed. He can coach at a parochial school and have all the prayer he wants…
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Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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It was a metaphor….

The manual/handbook Kevin posted had an example of two teachers privately discussing the Bible. I made a comparison…

Maybe it’s a gray area, but when I played sports the coaches were coaches till the kids left the field/locker room and went home.

I have a feeling he was asked a number of times not to do this and warned, and then his contract was not renewed. He can coach at a parochial school and have all the prayer he wants…
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it started with him going off totally by himself. then some students asked if they could join. is he supposed to say no?

what’s the problem, exactly?
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Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

trump did this, too.
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Gay pride flags are all over public buildings. if that’s ok, why censor a guy praying?
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you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

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Sure Jim,

“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States straight up lied about the facts of a case -- and this lie is easily proven by a photograph included in the dissenting opinion -- seems like a significant moment in our slide towards authoritarianism.
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To clarify, the real problem in the school prayer case is not that the coach wanted to pray.

It wasn't even that he was doing it publicly and had people on the team join in (though that is problematic too.)

The real problem is he retaliated against players who didn't join him.
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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you don’t know what separation of church and state means. It doesn’t mean we censor religion. it means the government can’t choose one religion over another. allowing a guy to pray, in no way violates that.

Please prove the accusation he retaliated against players who didn’t join, and i’ll agree he should have been fired.
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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i won’t believe it just because Pete says it, no. they didn’t fire him because he punished kids who didn’t join. they fired him because they said he couldn’t pray.

Just have someone read the bill of rights to you. That will clear it up. It’s that simple. The state can’t take away what’s guaranteed in the Bill Of Rights.

Why is voluntary prayer so offensive to you, that it’s a fireable offense?
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