why you don’t just let the caravan of refugees in

[Jim in CT]

in this day and age, you just can’t let in a huge number of uninvited, and unvetted people. you just can’t. i’m not sure liberals
grasp the realities of the world. you’d just let these guys in? Who else is in that caravan?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37830...Tgkcjqj2ayUqJc

[Pete F.]

Just what do you think happens when they get to the border?
https://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/cross-us-borders
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[The Dad Fisherman]

INA: ACT 212 - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND
INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILITY

(7) Documentation requirements.-

(A) Immigrants.-

(i) In general.-Except as otherwise specifically provided in this Act, any
immigrant at the time of application for admission-

(I) who is not in possession of a valid unexpired immigrant visa, reentry
permit, border crossing identification card, or other valid entry document
required by this Act, and a valid unexpired passport, or other suitable travel
document, or document of identity and nationality if such document is required
under the regulations issued by the Attorney General under section
211(a) or

(II) whose visa has been issued without compliance with the provisions of
section 203, is inadmissible.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just what do you think happens when they get to the border?
https://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/cross-us-borders
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If they're not stopped, given a document that explains the process of legal immigration, and then sent back...then I don't want to know.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If they're not stopped, given a document that explains the process of legal immigration, and then sent back...then I don't want to know.

They’re looking for asylum not trying to immigrate Jim. Probably only a few hundred left by the time they still get there. This is routine for DHS. You’re just being played by Trump once again.
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[Slipknot]

Asylum = cutting in line

They live in a crappy country and have a hard time finding work.
Asylum is for people in danger, actual danger.
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[Nebe]

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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[Cool Beans]

Work Visas and health care has been offered if they agree to reside in the 2 southern states of Mexico. If they refuse this offer I don't see how they can claim they are fleeing violence or whatever. Mexico is much better then Guatemala or Ecuador and they speak Spanish. Logically it is better for them to accept Mexico's offer to live and work in Mexico.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Asylum = cutting in line

They live in a crappy country and have a hard time finding work.
Asylum is for people in danger, actual danger.
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If they don’t qualify they’re not approved. There’s a legal process for this, there’s no need for an election cycle freak out.
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[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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You joking around?

Because ,if you believe that statement you are out of your freaking mind...... Pull your head out of your ass.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male.

Sounds like time for a travel ban.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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It was the gun that did it, remember. Let's try to keep the agendas lined up consistently, please

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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So just ignore the rapes and murders because they are in a different category.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So just ignore the rapes and murders because they are in a different category.
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And you ignore the amazing Mexican food in this country.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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what the f*ck are you talking about? adam lanza was politically conservative, and that had something to do with what he did? the guy in las vegas, you happen to know the shooting was politically motivated?

put the pipe down once in a while, that was one of the stupidest and most offensive things i’ve seen.

you tell me i should try pot, no thanks, not if it makes
my brain foggy enough to ever generate crap like that.
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[Slipknot]

Jim, I think he is Stirring the pot , not smoking it this time

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Jim, I think he is Stirring the pot , not smoking it this time

it was a disgusting and incredibly stupid thing to say.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what the f*ck are you talking about? adam lanza was politically conservative, and that had something to do with what he did? the guy in las vegas, you happen to know the shooting was politically motivated?

put the pipe down once in a while, that was one of the stupidest and most offensive things i’ve seen.

you tell me i should try pot, no thanks, not if it makes
my brain foggy enough to ever generate crap like that.
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White supremacists, anti-government extremists, radical Islamist
extremists, and other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremists
have been active in the United States for decades. Examples of attacks
include the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by radical Islamists, in
which 6 persons were killed; and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the
Alfred P. Murrah federal building by anti-government far right individuals,
in which 168 lives were lost. The September 11, 2001, attacks account for
the largest number of fatalities in the United States in a single or closelyrelated
attack resulting from violent extremism in recent decades. While
the September 11, 2001, attacks were perpetrated by foreign violent
extremists, from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016,
attacks by domestic or “homegrown” violent extremists in the United
States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106
were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and
119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate
incidents. Figure 1 shows the locations and number of fatalities involved
in these incidents. A detailed list of the incidents can be found in appendix
II. According to the ECDB, activities of far left wing violent extremist
groups did not result in any fatalities during this period.


The source is our government.
read the whole report here
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And you ignore the amazing Mexican food in this country.
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So MS13 members being kept out will cause us to no longer enjoy amazing Mexican food? huh

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it was a disgusting and incredibly stupid thing to say.
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yes pretty much
but it is Trumps' rhetoric that is divisive

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

White supremacists, anti-government extremists, radical Islamist
extremists, and other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremists
have been active in the United States for decades. Examples of attacks
include the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by radical Islamists, in
which 6 persons were killed; and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the
Alfred P. Murrah federal building by anti-government far right individuals,
in which 168 lives were lost. The September 11, 2001, attacks account for
the largest number of fatalities in the United States in a single or closelyrelated
attack resulting from violent extremism in recent decades. While
the September 11, 2001, attacks were perpetrated by foreign violent
extremists, from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016,
attacks by domestic or “homegrown” violent extremists in the United
States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106
were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and
119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate
incidents. Figure 1 shows the locations and number of fatalities involved
in these incidents. A detailed list of the incidents can be found in appendix
II. According to the ECDB, activities of far left wing violent extremist
groups did not result in any fatalities during this period.


The source is our government.
read the whole report here
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

So your study shows that liberals killed exactly zero people in mass shootings. Fascinating.

Just out of curiosity, how about the guy who assassinated 5 Dallas police officers, who said he wanted to kill as many white cops as he could? Please explain why those 5 murders don't count as mass murders at the hands of liberal extremists?

We're all ears. You have fun squirming your way out of that hole.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So your study shows that liberals killed exactly zero people in mass shootings. Fascinating.

Just out of curiosity, how about the guy who assassinated 5 Dallas police officers, who said he wanted to kill as many white cops as he could? Please explain why those 5 murders don't count as mass murders at the hands of liberal extremists?
Are you speaking of the Afghanistan vet suffering from PTSD?
What makes you think he was liberal? That he was black and killed 5 police officers?

We're all ears. You have fun squirming your way out of that hole.

The study is not mine, it was done by GAO which is the government accounting office at the request of Congress.
That is what they found for that period of time.

Now keep in mind that in order to protect us, the Trump administration cut funding for these programs. I assume you could understand the reasoning behind that. I don't know of any other than it was a program started under the Obama administration.

I can't help it if you want different data or a different timeframe, find a study that backs it up. Trump, the Daily blank or whatever right wing news organization you hear this BS on is not a reputable source.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The study is not mine, it was done by GAO which is the government accounting office at the request of Congress.
That is what they found for that period of time.

Now keep in mind that in order to protect us, the Trump administration cut funding for these programs. I assume you could understand the reasoning behind that. I don't know of any other than it was a program started under the Obama administration.

I can't help it if you want different data or a different timeframe, find a study that backs it up. Trump, the Daily blank or whatever right wing news organization you hear this BS on is not a reputable source.

he said he wanted to kill white cops because if the liberal narrative that white cops are in the habit of assassinating black men. that doesn’t make him liberal?

whatever you say, Columbo.

his ptsd doesn’t mater, they’re all crazy. you were interested in the political motivation of mass murderers, and you claimed that exactly zero were liberal.

why is his religion important? muslims can’t be liberal? i thought conservatives were all islamophobes, now you’re saying muslim and liberal are mutually exclusive?

how about this, how about admitting that there are whackos on both sides?
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it was a disgusting and incredibly stupid thing to say.
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Just as disgusting as Don Lemon said, or maybe this is worse

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...0VLHMqDNL4TT_Q

Maybe NEBE was watching CNN, Jim


So according to host Don Lemon's statement, he has shown what a racist he is. Or maybe he can show the world how I and millions of other white men are the biggest threat.
Oh not to generalize or anything there Don. WTF

“We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right,” he said. “And we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them. There is no ban on — they had the Muslim ban. There is no white guy ban. So, what do we do about that?”


So I should ban myself? the guy is a bigoted moron trying to make a moronic point

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he said he wanted to kill white cops because if the liberal narrative that white cops are in the habit of assassinating black men. that doesn’t make him liberal?

You would have a 250% better chance of being killed by a police officer if you are black, that is pretty simple truth, not a liberal narrative. Maybe you could dress in old clothes and black makeup and have someone drop you off at 11pm in, say Newton or the upper middle class neighborhood of your choice. Knock on a door and ask for help. It might open your eyes.

whatever you say, Columbo.

his ptsd doesn’t mater, they’re all crazy. you were interested in the political motivation of mass murderers, and you claimed that exactly zero were liberal.
I cited a report that said that, if it is incorrect find some data to back up your assertion. Or you could just yell louder and call people names as usual.

why is his religion important? muslims can’t be liberal? i thought conservatives were all islamophobes, now you’re saying muslim and liberal are mutually exclusive?
I see no mention of religon in any of my statements on this, or are you now claiming that Islamists are liberals?

how about this, how about admitting that there are whackos on both sides?
Of course there are, but there is a man with a bully pulpit daily winding up the whackos on one side. Look at how he has you screaming about little brown people, thousands of miles away.
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How do you feel about the current administration ending domestic terrorism programs, i suppose you are fine with that.
Right or left wing, no need to differentiate for this conclusion, domestic terrorists killed as many americans in the period of that study as Islamists and it is becoming more of an issue, not less.
Good luck with that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How do you feel about the current administration ending domestic terrorism programs, i suppose you are fine with that.
Right or left wing, no need to differentiate for this conclusion, domestic terrorists killed as many americans in the period of that study as Islamists and it is becoming more of an issue, not less.
Good luck with that.

stop changing the subject, we aren’t talking about whether or not black cops are more at risk than white cops. we are talking about whether or not left wing nuts have ever committed mass murder. the dallas cop killer is proof they have. i am truly sorry if you cannot process or accept that, but it’s true. it is factually true. i don’t say that because i like it, i say it because it’s true. he was a left wing mass shooter, he wanted to kill white cops because he bought the liberal myth that they are the enemy.

it cannot be debated that he was a liberal terrorist. denying that, makes as much sense as if i denied that McVeigh was a right wing terrorist.

When your agenda requires you to deny indisputable facts, it might be time for a new agenda.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it was a disgusting and incredibly stupid thing to say.
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Let me rephrase. Every mass shooting in this country was done by a white US male citizen. Tell me I am wrong.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Let me rephrase. Every mass shooting in this country was done by a white US male citizen. Tell me I am wrong.
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you’re wrong. look up the guy who murdered dallas police officers.

most mass shootings are done by white males.

a disproportionate share of single shooting deaths ( like what happens in chicago every weekend) are committed by non whites.

are mass shootings the only ones that matter? how many people get killed in mass shootings per year, compared to garden variety street crimes? what’s the point, exactly, if saying that most mass shootings are carried out by white makes? what point are you trying to make about white males? are you a white male? do the columbine shooters or adam lanza, reflect on you in any way at all?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And every mass shooting in this country has been acted out by a white conservative male. Yet these migrants are the real threat to your safety ??

LOL
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what the f*ck are you talking about? adam lanza was politically conservative, and that had something to do with what he did? the guy in las vegas, you happen to know the shooting was politically motivated?

put the pipe down once in a while, that was one of the stupidest and most offensive things i’ve seen.

you tell me i should try pot, no thanks, not if it makes
my brain foggy enough to ever generate crap like that.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

White supremacists, anti-government extremists, radical Islamist
extremists, and other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremists
have been active in the United States for decades. Examples of attacks
include the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by radical Islamists, in
which 6 persons were killed; and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the
Alfred P. Murrah federal building by anti-government far right individuals,
in which 168 lives were lost. The September 11, 2001, attacks account for
the largest number of fatalities in the United States in a single or closelyrelated
attack resulting from violent extremism in recent decades. While
the September 11, 2001, attacks were perpetrated by foreign violent
extremists, from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016,
attacks by domestic or “homegrown” violent extremists in the United
States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106
were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and
119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate
incidents. Figure 1 shows the locations and number of fatalities involved
in these incidents. A detailed list of the incidents can be found in appendix
II. According to the ECDB, activities of far left wing violent extremist
groups did not result in any fatalities during this period.


The source is our government.
read the whole report here
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Now Jim changes the subject from Right wing to liberals (not left wing, just liberals)

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So your study shows that liberals killed exactly zero people in mass shootings. Fascinating.

Just out of curiosity, how about the guy who assassinated 5 Dallas police officers, who said he wanted to kill as many white cops as he could? Please explain why those 5 murders don't count as mass murders at the hands of liberal extremists?

We're all ears. You have fun squirming your way out of that hole.

I respond to the discussion, not Jim's deflection

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The study is not mine, it was done by GAO which is the government accounting office at the request of Congress.
That is what they found for that period of time.

Now keep in mind that in order to protect us, the Trump administration cut funding for these programs. I assume you could understand the reasoning behind that. I don't know of any other than it was a program started under the Obama administration.

I can't help it if you want different data or a different timeframe, find a study that backs it up. Trump, the Daily blank or whatever right wing news organization you hear this BS on is not a reputable source.

Jim's not happy, the deflection did not work

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he said he wanted to kill white cops because if the liberal narrative that white cops are in the habit of assassinating black men. that doesn’t make him liberal?

whatever you say, Columbo.

his ptsd doesn’t mater, they’re all crazy. you were interested in the political motivation of mass murderers, and you claimed that exactly zero were liberal.

why is his religion important? muslims can’t be liberal? i thought conservatives were all islamophobes, now you’re saying muslim and liberal are mutually exclusive?

how about this, how about admitting that there are whackos on both sides?
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I bring up the question I asked, that Jim never answered

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How do you feel about the current administration ending domestic terrorism programs, i suppose you are fine with that.
Right or left wing, no need to differentiate for this conclusion, domestic terrorists killed as many americans in the period of that study as Islamists and it is becoming more of an issue, not less.
Good luck with that.

Now somehow Jim has gotten the idea that this is a discussion about the color of police officers and is worried that I think liberals have never killed anyone.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

stop changing the subject, we aren’t talking about whether or not black cops are more at risk than white cops. we are talking about whether or not left wing nuts have ever committed mass murder. the dallas cop killer is proof they have. i am truly sorry if you cannot process or accept that, but it’s true. it is factually true. i don’t say that because i like it, i say it because it’s true. he was a left wing mass shooter, he wanted to kill white cops because he bought the liberal myth that they are the enemy.

it cannot be debated that he was a liberal terrorist. denying that, makes as much sense as if i denied that McVeigh was a right wing terrorist.

When your agenda requires you to deny indisputable facts, it might be time for a new agenda.
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Kinda think I didn't deny that there are domestic terrorists on both sides
Jim said "how about this, how about admitting that there are whackos on both sides?"
I said "Of course there are, but there is a man with a bully pulpit daily winding up the whackos on one side. Look at how he has you screaming about little brown people, thousands of miles away."

Now how do you feel about Trump cutting the funding for domestic terrorism? Good or Bad?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now Jim changes the subject from Right wing to liberals (not left wing, just liberals)


I respond to the discussion, not Jim's deflection

Jim's not happy, the deflection did not work

I bring up the question I asked, that Jim never answered

Now somehow Jim has gotten the idea that this is a discussion about the color of police officers and is worried that I think liberals have never killed anyone.

Kinda think I didn't deny that there are domestic terrorists on both sides
Jim said "how about this, how about admitting that there are whackos on both sides?"
I said "Of course there are, but there is a man with a bully pulpit daily winding up the whackos on one side. Look at how he has you screaming about little brown people, thousands of miles away."

Now how do you feel about Trump cutting the funding for domestic terrorism? Good or Bad?

you posted a study stating that mass murderers fell into two categories - muslims and conservatives. the implication there is obvious, don’t backpedal now, you’re on a roll.
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