"the beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name,"

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

in

Now the vermin are turning on each other
Alex Jones Attacks Trump for Promoting Vaccines: ‘Maybe Trump’s Actually a Dumbass


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didn't trump get vaccinated as soon as they were available....politicians first and all ...because what would we do without politicians???

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, and arrests continue almost daily.

yup....good thing they tracked down these dangerous individuals

August 23, "The FBI continues to hunt down Americans even for minor involvement in the breach of the Capitol on January 6. Four Ohio residents were arrested last week and charged with common misdemeanors. It appears the group was inside the building for about 15 minutes and committed no violent crimes."

sounds like they had to pee....


excellent detective work there....

still haven't found any guns among the armed insurrectionists

keep your hopes up pete....I want you to have hope...but...



"A funny thing happened on the way to the insurrection gulag; the overwhelming number of cases consist only of low-level offenses. That is not what Michael Sherwin, the head prosecutor handling the first few months of the Capitol breach probe, promised one week after the protest. “The initial charges we’re filing, these misdemeanors, these are only the beginning,” Sherwin said at a January 12 press conference. “We’re looking at serious felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy.”

In spite of Twitter’s best efforts, no one so far has been charged with insurrection or sedition; the best the government can do is file hard-to-prove charges of obstruction of an official proceeding or conspiracy, both felonies.

The Justice Department set expectations extremely high early on. Revenge against Americans who dared to protest the election of Joe Biden would come fast and fierce, the public was assured. Attorney General Merrick Garland promised the investigation into January 6, which he compares to the Oklahoma City bombing, would be his top priority. And when FBI Director Chris Wray designated January 6 an act of “domestic terrorism,” Trump haters smelled blood in the water."

[Pete F.]

There were 140 POLICE OFFICERS injured in that attack. There is NO WAY the DOJ does not prosecute
The DOJ takes a VERY protective role when there are crimes against police officers. Regardless of any POLITICAL matters, the monster who organized an attack that injured 140 police officers - will be tried to the fullest extent of the law.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If you don't need to paint the emperor because he's told us who he is, then why paint him? Why paint him with an unproven name such as insurrectionist? Why don't you take your own advice? Do you not believe what you say?

As for all of that other stuff, it may be very meaningful, important to you to bring this kind of stuff up "again and again" but I don't care about it, doesn't relate to this thread except maybe your name calling such as "vermin"--"dumbass"--"grifter"--and "emperor who has no clothes".

But it's what you do. Again and again.

Tell us more about the great things the Mafia does for the community, how great the Don is.

Unfortunately for him and to the benefit of the rule of law, he put himself in a position where lawyers take notes and have some sense of decency, unlike Roy Cohn

It took many more months to indict Nixon--on "a 2nd-rate burglary."

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There were 140 POLICE OFFICERS injured in that attack. There is NO WAY the DOJ does not prosecute
The DOJ takes a VERY protective role when there are crimes against police officers. Regardless of any POLITICAL matters, the monster who organized an attack that injured 140 police officers - will be tried to the fullest extent of the law.
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oh cool, then we can begin prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law the organizers from last summer's festivities....

"More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer 2020"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

oh cool, then we can begin prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law the organizers from last summer's festivities....

"More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer 2020"

You ought to look further than the right wing rhetoric, first somewheres between 10 and 20 MILLION people participated in BLM protests

The protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. An analysis by the Crowd Counting Consortium, a collaboration led by scholars at Harvard’s Kennedy School and the University of Connecticut, found that no injuries were recorded during 97.7% of some 7,500 demonstrations that roiled the nation during the first month after George Floyd’s murder. Only 3.7% involved property damage, including arson and vandalism. Police were injured by protesters in just over 1% of them.

Yet within roughly two weeks of the start of the blm protests, prosecutors from 36 U.S. attorney’s offices from Brooklyn to San Diego had charged and taken into federal custody 105 individuals for alleged crimes committed just during the first weekend of protests.

While two of the cases related to the killing of a federal officer by members of the far-right Boogaloo movement and four related to minor injuries to police, more than two-thirds of the cases related to theft, arson, property damage or the threat of property damage. These federal crimes included the robbery of a CVS and the looting of a liquor store. They included tossing a Molotov cocktail at an abandoned police car, hurling bricks at a police vehicle and spray-painting the words “Y’all not tired yet?” on the Lincoln Memorial. And they included posting messages on Snapchat and Facebook calling for rioting and looting.

Barbara McQuade, former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, said, “Federal resources are scarce and get used for major priorities like international terrorism, massive fraud and drug trafficking with Mexican cartels – you know, massive cases.” Many of these protest cases struck her as “very small potatoes” unworthy of federal resources. But she said they speak to a national federal priority set by the attorney general.

Prosecutors declined to pursue many of the cases because they concluded the protesters were exercising their basic civil rights.

Now think about it, there was a MAGA suicide bomber just last week.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

Jan. 6th House Committee plans to subpoena all phone records of all involved on that day, including members of Congress.

Who do you think will have the most incriminating phone record?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jan. 6th House Committee plans to subpoena all phone records of all involved on that day, including members of Congress.

Who do you think will have the most incriminating phone record?

they should confiscate the phones of anyone in attendance and ban all of them from owning phones for life...that would prevent another cell phone insurrection in the future

[Pete F.]

From DHS documents about your tourists

(U) Tactics Used to Breach the US Capitol Building on 6 January 2021
Highlight Advanced Preparations
(U//FOUO) Scope Note: This Reference Aid provides an overview of some tactics employed during
the breach of the US Capitol to help state and local authorities prepare for possible future
violent events.
(U//FOUO) The tactics used by domestic violent extremists (DVEs) to assault law enforcement
and security personnel and ultimately breach the US Capitol suggests that some of the
participants engaged in pre-operational coordination and planning activities. Following the
breach, federal charges were levied against more than 330 individuals, most of whom traveled
from outside of the National Capital Region. An increase in security at government facilities in
Washington, DC probably has largely dissuaded further targeting of the US Capitol, but
conspiracy theories and perceptions of voter fraud and government overreach could inspire
individuals to engage in violence at government facilities across the United States.
• (U) At least 10 suspected militia extremists attended paramilitary training in Ohio,
Florida, and North Carolina ahead of the breach, according to court documents. The
suspected DVEs also coordinated efforts to bring tactical equipment to the event,
presumably in anticipation of violence. The 10 individuals are awaiting trial for charges,
including conspiring against the United States and conspiring to prevent the government
from discharging its duties.
• (U//FOUO) An alleged leader of the Oath KeepersUSPER, who is awaiting charges related to
conspiracy, encouraged followers to attend the event, reminded them of the firearms
restrictions in the Capital, and suggested they bring mace and batons instead, according
to court documents.a Other Oath Keepers implicated in the conspiracy designated a quick
reaction force (QRF) outside the city that was prepared to supply the group with firearms
if necessary.b Some social media users shared maps of the US Capitol grounds that
a
(U//FOUO) The mere advocacy of political or social positions, political activism, use of strong
rhetoric, or generalized philosophic embrace of violent tactics does not constitute violent
extremism, and is constitutionally protected. Identifying as a “Oath Keeper” alone does not
constitute violent extremism.
b (U//FOUO) A quick reaction force (QRF) is a term traditionally used to describe a military unit
prepared to mobilize on very short notice when called upon. This is frequently employed by
militia extremists and is used to respond to action against other individuals within the
movement.
showed ingress and egress routes, associated tunnels, and potential rallying points.c
c
(U//FOUO) Discussion of the US Capitol for non-violent purposes, including the sharing of
maps, is constitutionally protected.

(U) DVEs used tactical radios, mobile devices, and encrypted applications to
communicate securely during the breach, according to media reporting and a federal
indictment. Four alleged leaders of the Proud BoysUSPER solicited donations for electronic
equipment, purchased radios, and established an encrypted channel used by dozens of
associates.d The four individuals are awaiting trial on a variety of charges, including
conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding.

(U) According to the FBI, an unidentified
individual placed two pipe bombs outside
the headquarters of the Republican
National CommitteeUSPER and Democratic
National CommitteeUPSER.
(U) Firearms (U) At least seven individuals were
arrested for possessing 12 firearms and
thousands of rounds of ammunition before
and after the US Capitol riot, according to
open source media reports.
(U) IIDs (U) An individual arrested during the
event had 11 containers of homemade
napalm, along with several guns and a list
of “good guys” and “bad guys”, according
to court documents.
(U) Crossbows (U) An individual possessing a crossbow
was arrested during the event.
(U) Batons (U) An individual was pictured inside the US
Capitol Building with a concealed baton.
(U) Tasers and
Stun Guns
(U) Multiple individuals at the US Capitol
Building were observed carrying various
types of tasers and stun guns.
(U) Chemical
Irritants
(U) Rioters were seen using a variety
of chemical irritants against law
enforcement, including pepper spray and
bear spray.
(U) Household
Items
(U) Various household items were used
as weapons during the storming of the
US Capitol Building, including basic hand
tools such as crow bars and hammers,
and other items such as baseball bats
and ladders.
(U) Opportunistic
Weapons
(U) Opportunistic weapon use was
prevalent, including the use of fire
extinguishers, pipes from nearby
scaffolding, bricks, metal barriers, and
furniture from inside the US Capitol
Building. According to the US Capitol
Police Labor Committee, an officer was
stabbed with a metal fence stake, likely
taken from security barriers on the scene.
(U) Law
Enforcement
Equipment
(U//FOUO) Opportunistic stealing of
law enforcement equipment — including
batons, shields, handcuffs, tactical vests,
and helmets — for use against police
officers was observed. Individuals also
used stolen shields to shatter windows
and break into the US Capitol Building.
During the event, rioters encouraged
each other to steal law enforcement
firearms to kill officers. Following the
violent protest, a white supremacist
extremist group posted images of
“trophies” from the event, including
a stolen police riot helmet. The group
posted images of the helmet online
to encourage others to join their
organization, according to an open source
social media report.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...ril-8-2021.pdf

[scottw]

pretty sure you've hit your word limit for the day....

[Pete F.]

Probably time for a hour long movie from the guy that thinks war crimes are the answer
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[detbuch]

OK. I'm guessing it's no big deal to intentionally mislabel things for political purposes. Sorry I started this thread. It's subject is ignored and it's just become a springboard for whatever other bug is up somebodies arse.

[Pete F.]

Neither you or Turley know that anything was mislabeled, though to create political pressure or news both of you and Reuters mislabel unattributed comments as evidence and present order of indictment as evidence of something.
Indictments follow a predictable pattern, smaller fish first, build the evidence and collaborating witnesses and then the big fish are caught.
Predicates exist for all the people charged in the Jan6 cases and they are being prosecuted.

Perhaps if you are concerned about mislabeling, you could commiserate with Allan Weisselburg on compensation illegally labeled as "Holiday Entertainment". But that's criminal behavior not political.

Or are you referring to the words of former Trump campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski who during an interview on MSNBC in February 2019 said, “I don’t ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff Sessions or the Department of Justice in any way, shape or form ever.”

Which is not what Lewandowski told special counsel Robert S. Mueller III under oath in 2017. Lewandowski said then that Trump had instructed him twice to tell Sessions, then the attorney general, to curtail Mueller’s investigation of Trump, and Lewandowski failed to do so, perhaps saving Trump from an overt act of obstructing justice.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Neither you or Turley know that anything was mislabeled, though to create political pressure or news both of you and Reuters mislabel unattributed comments as evidence and present order of indictment as evidence of something.


Those in the media or various politicians who use the "insurrection" label don't know that it was an insurrection. If they do, they haven't demonstrated that it was. It's an unproven opinion/accusation. For political effect.

Indictments follow a predictable pattern, smaller fish first, build the evidence and collaborating witnesses and then the big fish are caught.
Predicates exist for all the people charged in the Jan6 cases and they are being prosecuted.

So, if and when, it is adjudicated/proven to be an "insurrection," that would be the time to label it as such.

Perhaps if you are concerned about mislabeling, you could commiserate with Allan Weisselburg on compensation illegally labeled as "Holiday Entertainment". But that's criminal behavior not political.

Or are you referring to the words of former Trump campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski who during an interview on MSNBC in February 2019 said, “I don’t ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff Sessions or the Department of Justice in any way, shape or form ever.”

Which is not what Lewandowski told special counsel Robert S. Mueller III under oath in 2017. Lewandowski said then that Trump had instructed him twice to tell Sessions, then the attorney general, to curtail Mueller’s investigation of Trump, and Lewandowski failed to do so, perhaps saving Trump from an overt act of obstructing justice.

So, from those examples it sounds like you don't approve of mislabeling. Or maybe you're just calling them to my attention. A lot of that goes on. I pointed out a politically influential one. There are many, many more. Perhaps you could make one of your big lists, this time pointing out all the improper names floating around out there, especially right wing MAGA ones. And that will somehow show that calling the J6 riot an "insurrection" is but a trifling thing. Probably even less important because Trumplikans, suposedly, do a lot more . . . and no doubt even worser ones.

Or, maybe, it not only doesn't concern you, but you think it's really cool to disparage folks by mislabeling them some evil kind of thing. You have labeled me many disreputable sounding things and called me weird names like Saul Alinsky or claimed that Putin must be proud of me. And you claim I see war crimes and genocide as "answers" and who besides Muslims do I want to exterminate. It's the kind of tactic that simplifies adversary argument. No need to prove. Just imply, insinuate, label, throw in long lists and opinion pieces and some irreverent humor, and it will sound, to some like-minded people, as very true and important stuff.

As for your claim that I think genocide is an answer, I didn't claim it was. I said "We should not have occupied Afghanistan to begin with. If they had Osama and wouldn't turn him over to us, we should have just carpet bombed that country and left a message on top of the rubble for the survivors and leaders that we would be back with more if they messed with us.

Nowhere did I say we should exterminate the Afghan people. If we did, there would be no-one left to read our note. Actually, what right did we have to invade Afghanistan? They had every right to shield whomever they wished. But wars are like that. Those who start wars can tell you how they very well had the right to attack.

Then I posited that "Having not done that, but intruding ourselves into their wonderful Islamic nation, we should only have done it after totally defeating the Taliban, totally wiped it out, then peacefully cleaning up the mess we made, and offer them assistance in rebuilding and occupying for a while."

Again, no mention of exterminating the Afghan people. I do believe, that in creating a war with the Taliban, the only permanent victory would be to wipe it out.

You claimed that all of that meant that I thought "genocide" was an answer. I opined that we committed "genocide" on the Nazis. You countered with "We didn’t commit genocide in the Second World War." I quoted a strictly denotational definition of "genocide" that fit the notion of what we did as "genocide."

OK, so if you did not think we committed any genocide in WWII, then let us use what seems to be your notion of "genocide" and apply what we did in WWII to reducing Afghanistan to rubble to achieve our goal. Let's say instead of doing it all at once, we did it a bit at a time until we got what we wanted. Pick a large city in Afghanistan, and totally annihilate it including all the people, guilty or innocent, in it. And if we still didn't get what we wanted, pick another large city, and destroy it and all the people in it. And if we still didn't get what we wanted, continue the destruction until mission was accomplished.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind?

As far as your implication that I want to exterminate Muslims goes, I never said nor implied that I want to do that. Islam is another matter. If folks want to practice that religion as it really is, they can have their own country in which the people support it. I don't want it practiced, as it really and fundamentally is, here. People keep talking about reform. Fine. When it, or some version of it, actually is reformed in such a way that it is compatible with our laws, that's a different story.
And if those that want to practice it in the fundamental way it actually is want to severely mess with us, I would not be reluctant to totally wiping them out. Negotiation without brutal force, doesn't seem to work with them.

[Pete F.]

Perhaps I could suggest a new fake name for you, fitting for one who claims that a reiteration of the Crusades is in order.
How does Urban II sound?

But back to insurrection and insurrectionists:

In a government filing responding to a request from Joshua James to have his bail conditions relaxed, the government provided a number of new details about the investigation (as well as noting that, since James’ wife has made almost $200,000 in a fundraiser tied to his arrest, his claim to need to work to provide for his family is unpersuasive).

The filing reveals (possibly based off reconstructed James texts), that on January 10, at least three Oath Keepers had come to believe that Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act, but was being prevented from releasing it.

Kelly Meggs knew about it — but said his guys from Florida were “stay[ing] home until shots fired.”

Kelly Meggs: Insurrection act appears to be signed and we shall se [sic] what tomorrow brings.

James: Yes..

Kelly Meggs: Stay safe

James: You too! Are you coming to TX?

Kelly Meggs: Nope Fl stays home until shots fired !

In addition, James spoke about it with Brian Ulrich.

Ulrich: We heard [Person One] might be disseminating information to all of us is that true?

James: Hes gone comms dark. Im with him.

Ulrich: Oh? Lol well there was talk that he was announcing. Can you guys at least tell me or us is trump going to do something is up with this is all about is he actually doing something?…

Ulrich: Been hearing since this AM that trump signed EO and he was going to have a speech but nothing confirmed.

James: That’s correct. The Insurrection act has been signed but not published to the public. They are keeping him locked away.. theres so much bad information coming from all angles its really difficult to determine whats real and what’s fake.

Ulrich: But is it coming that’s all I want to know…

James: Everyone needs to stay calm, and let’s see what POTUS does.. Yes Its already happening.

Ulrich: Ok. [Person One] ok? You guys needs to stay below the radar.

Since James was with Stewart Rhodes (and armed) when he wrote this, it seems likely Rhodes believed this as well.

If nothing else, the fact that at least three people independently came to believe that Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act will give DOJ probable cause to obtain the communications that might reveal why — and via what channels — they believed that to be true.

Update: The January 6 Select Committee just released their document requests. They ask for any discussions about the Insurrection Act from a variety of departments, including DOJ and DOD.

[scottw]

oh good, a play....this is fun

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

OK. I'm guessing it's no big deal to intentionally mislabel things for political purposes. Sorry I started this thread. It's subject is ignored and it's just become a springboard for whatever other bug is up somebodies arse.

Actually there is a judge in Michigan, the Honorable Linda V. Parker,
who just ruled on mislabeling for political purposes. Perhaps you would find it interesting

From the Opinion and Order

This lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process.
It is one thing to take on the charge of vindicating rights associated with an allegedly fraudulent election. It is another to take on the charge of deceiving a federal court and the American people into believing that rights were infringed, without regard to whether any laws or rights were in fact violated. This is what happened here.

The attorneys who filed the instant lawsuit abused the well-established rules applicable to the litigation process by proffering claims not backed by law; proffering claims not backed by evidence (but instead, speculation, conjecture, and unwarranted suspicion); proffering factual allegations and claims without engaging in the required prefiling inquiry; and dragging out these proceedings even after they acknowledged that it was too late to attain the relief sought.
And this case was never about fraud—it was about undermining the People’s faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so.
While there are many arenas—including print, television, and social media—where protestations, conjecture, and speculation may be advanced, such expressions are neither permitted nor welcomed in a court of law.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...05.172.0_3.pdf

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps I could suggest a new fake name for you, fitting for one who claims that a reiteration of the Crusades is in order.
How does Urban II sound?

It sounds exactly like what you do. And I don't claim that it is in order to take back from the Taliban, or Islam in general, territories that they forcefully took from us by military conquest.

This sounds exactly like your usual fake, lying, manipulating, obfuscating method of debate.

But back to insurrection and insurrectionists:

In a government filing responding to a request from Joshua James to have his bail conditions relaxed, the government provided a number of new details about the investigation (as well as noting that, since James’ wife has made almost $200,000 in a fundraiser tied to his arrest, his claim to need to work to provide for his family is unpersuasive).

The filing reveals (possibly based off reconstructed James texts), that on January 10, at least three Oath Keepers had come to believe that Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act, but was being prevented from releasing it.

Kelly Meggs knew about it — but said his guys from Florida were “stay[ing] home until shots fired.”

Kelly Meggs: Insurrection act appears to be signed and we shall se [sic] what tomorrow brings.

James: Yes..

Kelly Meggs: Stay safe

James: You too! Are you coming to TX?

Kelly Meggs: Nope Fl stays home until shots fired !

In addition, James spoke about it with Brian Ulrich.

Ulrich: We heard [Person One] might be disseminating information to all of us is that true?

James: Hes gone comms dark. Im with him.

Ulrich: Oh? Lol well there was talk that he was announcing. Can you guys at least tell me or us is trump going to do something is up with this is all about is he actually doing something?…

Ulrich: Been hearing since this AM that trump signed EO and he was going to have a speech but nothing confirmed.

James: That’s correct. The Insurrection act has been signed but not published to the public. They are keeping him locked away.. theres so much bad information coming from all angles its really difficult to determine whats real and what’s fake.

Ulrich: But is it coming that’s all I want to know…

James: Everyone needs to stay calm, and let’s see what POTUS does.. Yes Its already happening.

Ulrich: Ok. [Person One] ok? You guys needs to stay below the radar.

Since James was with Stewart Rhodes (and armed) when he wrote this, it seems likely Rhodes believed this as well.

If nothing else, the fact that at least three people independently came to believe that Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act will give DOJ probable cause to obtain the communications that might reveal why — and via what channels — they believed that to be true.

Update: The January 6 Select Committee just released their document requests. They ask for any discussions about the Insurrection Act from a variety of departments, including DOJ and DOD.

Don't see how any of this proves or even implies that J6 was an insurrection. Your usual deflection from the subject at hand to a kind of how about this shiny object over here.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Actually there is a judge in Michigan, the Honorable Linda V. Parker,
who just ruled on mislabeling for political purposes. Perhaps you would find it interesting

From the Opinion and Order

This lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process.
It is one thing to take on the charge of vindicating rights associated with an allegedly fraudulent election. It is another to take on the charge of deceiving a federal court and the American people into believing that rights were infringed, without regard to whether any laws or rights were in fact violated. This is what happened here.

The attorneys who filed the instant lawsuit abused the well-established rules applicable to the litigation process by proffering claims not backed by law; proffering claims not backed by evidence (but instead, speculation, conjecture, and unwarranted suspicion); proffering factual allegations and claims without engaging in the required prefiling inquiry; and dragging out these proceedings even after they acknowledged that it was too late to attain the relief sought.
And this case was never about fraud—it was about undermining the People’s faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so.
While there are many arenas—including print, television, and social media—where protestations, conjecture, and speculation may be advanced, such expressions are neither permitted nor welcomed in a court of law.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...05.172.0_3.pdf

If the judge believes that fake labels undermine the so-called "Peoples faith in our democracy", then I agree with her.

[Pete F.]

Now the Man from Florida is once again trying to cover up his actions.

There’s a legitimate scope of executive privilege, which ensures a president gets candid, thorough advice. But it doesn’t extend to covering up efforts to keep the new president from taking office. Trump’s desperation to keep info secret says it all.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now the Man from Florida is once again trying to cover up his actions.

There’s a legitimate scope of executive privilege, which ensures a president gets candid, thorough advice. But it doesn’t extend to covering up efforts to keep the new president from taking office. Trump’s desperation to keep info secret says it all.

The Man from Florida--that has an air of luxurious mystery. A suggestion of intrigue. Could be the title of a romance novel to fill the nights of a lonely woman.

Yeah, yeah, I know . . . for you it would be about the ugly, brutal and vastly deserved fall of a tyrant who threatened to create the fall of a great nation . . . or even the collapse of the universe.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The Man from Florida--that has an air of luxurious mystery. A suggestion of intrigue. Could be the title of a romance novel to fill the nights of a lonely woman.

Yeah, yeah, I know . . . for you it would be about the ugly, brutal and vastly deserved fall of a tyrant who threatened to create the fall of a great nation . . . or even the collapse of the universe.

More like the Master of The Long Con.

Lifelong pattern of criminal activity, that's finally catching up to him.

Probably all this is just smoke, like that from the unraked forests that caught fire.

1. E. Jean Carroll Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation
2. Summer Zervos Defamation Suit
3. Mary Trump Fraud Litigation
4. Panama Hotel Fraud and Tax Litigation
5. Doe v. The Trump Corporation Class Action
6. DC Civil Suit over Misuse of 2017 Inauguration Funds
7. Reps. Karen Bass et al Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack
8. Eric Swalwell Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Riots
9. Capitol Police Suit for Jan. 6 Riots
10. NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund Voting Rights Case for Post-Election Actions
11. New York Attorney General’s Civil and Criminal Investigations
12. Scotland Unexplained Wealth Orders
13. Criminal Investigations into Trump’s Finances
14. DC AG Incitement Criminal Investigation
15. Fulton County, Georgia Criminal Election Influence Investigation

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

More like the Master of The Long Con.

Lifelong pattern of criminal activity, that's finally catching up to him.

Probably all this is just smoke, like that from the unraked forests that caught fire.

1. E. Jean Carroll Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation
2. Summer Zervos Defamation Suit
3. Mary Trump Fraud Litigation
4. Panama Hotel Fraud and Tax Litigation
5. Doe v. The Trump Corporation Class Action
6. DC Civil Suit over Misuse of 2017 Inauguration Funds
7. Reps. Karen Bass et al Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack
8. Eric Swalwell Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Riots
9. Capitol Police Suit for Jan. 6 Riots
10. NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund Voting Rights Case for Post-Election Actions
11. New York Attorney General’s Civil and Criminal Investigations
12. Scotland Unexplained Wealth Orders
13. Criminal Investigations into Trump’s Finances
14. DC AG Incitement Criminal Investigation
15. Fulton County, Georgia Criminal Election Influence Investigation

I suspect this all makes you very happy. Maybe they'll finally convict him of something. If somehow they could actually convict him of something that demanded the death penalty, would that send a tingle up your leg? It might save the rest of us from having to be daily informed by you about how evil Trump is/was/and probably ever shall be. But, I suspect, even after he's buried, you'd find some article to post about other bad stuff Trump may have or would have done.

Interesting that suits 8 and 9 are for "riots" on Jan.6 and number 7 for "attack"--not "insurrection."

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If somehow they could actually convict him of something that demanded the death penalty, would that send a tingle up your leg?

I’d throw everything I have into Jergens and Kleenex stocks
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